WordPress Woes and When is AI Too Much AI?

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Ask the podcast coach for 02/22/2025. Let's get ready to podcast. There it is.

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It's that music. That means it is Saturday morning. It is time for Ask the Podcast Coach where you get your podcast questions answered live. I'm Dave Jackson from the schoolofpodcasting.com. Today, we're gonna talk a little bit about WordPress.

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We got a power rant. And to help me go over those topics and anything else you wanna talk about is the one and only Jim Cullison from theaverageguy.tv. Jim, how's it going, buddy? Greetings, Dave. Happy Saturday morning to you. Every time you say WordPress, I can't Oh, it's fun. Yeah. It it comes and goes. Right? We'll talk about it later. Yeah. Well, it's funny. We talk about that with all software.

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It's great until it's not, and then everybody goes, what's the replacement? And then the, you know, technicians fix the problem, and you're back and, you know, then it's like, oh, it's the best thing ever. So that's always, always fun. But, yeah, I had a thing where I logged in, and I just had the spinning thing just sat there. Oh, yeah. And, you know, two days, more or less, that I couldn't really do what I wanted to do. And to say I was just a little, oh, what's the word? It just, you know, it's like a little kid when you're putting your hand out. You're like, ah, you can't move forward. And so just a little frustrated. And probably what I needed to do was kick back with a hot cup of Java or something. And, yeah, just like Jim's doing now. And, of course for sure.

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Do you think with with all the strife between The United States and Canada right now that Mark still talking to us? Is that is do you think he's he I don't know. I Is it because he called you? Has he cut you off?

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I have been trying to get a hold of him. And, yeah, there's I saw here here's the fun thing is I didn't even realize what was going on. I I kinda quit watching TV, and I missed all the, like, I guess, fighting and hockey, and I was like, well, the game was fighting hockey.

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So Thursday night was a great game. Canadians won. But, anyways, big thanks to our good friend Dan Lefebvre over there based on a true story based on a truestorypodcast.com. Talked about it last week.

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Appreciate your work out there. Check it out today based on a truestorypodcast.com. And, Dan, thanks for your sponsorship. The coffee is always delicious. And the beauty of that is if you think about it, three episodes. Like, that's a deep dive. That is the epitome.

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Without being AI, that's a deep dive, and it's just information you're not gonna get in other places. So No. And he does a great he does a great job. He's really you know, I I think for podcasters, if you wanna get a look at style, other you know, listening to other people's podcasts, I know sometimes we're so focused on our own and doing our own things.

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I'm not talking about going copying someone else. I always want you to be yourself.

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But I'm talking about, like, listening to some components. Looks like my bandwidth may be struggling at the moment, but that's okay. We yeah. Look at the components, the way they structure it, the way they put it together. There's a lot to learn by kinda digging in and listening to somebody else's podcast.

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Yes. You want to be inspired. You do not want to rip off what they're doing. Be inspired by that. So Be inspired by it. Yeah. So that's a fine line, by the way, between inspired and ripping off is our very fine line.

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Yeah. So I'm I hired a business coach.

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Why? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on. Coaches need coaches? Is that Coaches need coaches. Yeah. Alright. Tiger Woods had a coach.

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Michael Jordan had a coach. Yeah. And the guy asked me, he's like, why did you hire me? I said, because I know there's low hanging fruit that I can't see. Yeah. And he's like, okay. And he's like and he came back. And my favorite one was you'd go to the school of podcasting, and I had a button right there that was like, yes. I wanna I wanna launch my pie, and it took you right to a checkout page. Like, hey. Glad you've been here two seconds. Give me nine hundred bucks. And it was like, I don't think that's really the way that's supposed to work. So but what was funny is and the thing I need that I'm not using right now is a what do you call it when you have the page and then you have, like, the backstage version? And I could do this if I wanted to, but some websites have this, and I forget what it's called. It's a Like, it's a staging area. Yeah. I'm missing and I I'm not using a staging.

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00 and went, alright. Well, you know, I'll fix that tomorrow. And I'm like, I realized for, you know, a couple days, the front page is gonna be a little wonky, and I'm like, yeah. It's fine. But I he said, I have a video on the left. He goes, you should move it to the right and then put, like, a some sort of headline here that ties in with that in in, like and the other thing is, again, my front page of School of Podcasting was pretty much the same exact page of the sales page. So you went from a sales page to a sales page, and he's like, really? The front page should explain what you can do for people and who Dave is and, you know, why podcasting is cool and then sell them on the school of podcasting. And I'm like, hey. That makes sense. And all I wanted to do was move the video over and put text here, and I used everything I could figure out in like, WordPress would let me put a video on the left and text on the right, but I'm like, oh, good. Then I'll just switchy swatchy. No. And so it's just a lot of and I'm like, wait a minute. I have the Elementor plug in, and Elementor will do your laundry. I mean, it's an amazing thing. I click on Elementor, and I just get this spinning wheel. Just like, hey. We're loading. And I'm like and I was like, okay.

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And I I look, and I'm like, okay. Everything's so I reached out to Christian over at the Maple Grove Partners. So I'm like, is there something on your back end that, like, I don't think so, but, like and he's like, no. There's and he he gave me a bunch of code that I had no idea what it meant. So I went to Elementor, and I'm like, hey.

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And to their credit, they got me got back pretty quick, and they're like and this is where I was like, oh, yeah. I'm very rusty in WordPress. Do you remember the first thing you do when you're troubleshooting WordPress? Disable all the plugins. That's it. And I was like, oh, of course. So I disable all the plugins except Elementor. Hey. What do you know?

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Elementor is happy. And then you turn them all back on one by one at a time. One at a time. Refresh one more. Yep. And I was like, how how did I forget this? And what was weird is I ended up turning them all back on, and it was fine. But I did disable Divi because I don't know. There's probably one page on my site that I use Divi, so it's gonna be a big ball of code, and I'm hoping someone will let me know that when they find it. But I was like, yeah. I'm not using I know Mark. Like, Mark is the Divi king. He uses that when he designs, but for me, I'm more of an Elementor person. And so, yeah, so if you're using WordPress, don't forget to and here's what was really weird about this. It was second line themes makes WordPress themes for podcasters, and they have some cool stuff that works with Elementor. And I'm it's one of those where I'm like, did I dream this? Because, you know, you're looking for the little red bubble that says because I don't know about you. Every time I log in to WordPress, it's like, oh, you have 15 things that need updated. And you're like, okay. Hold on. And I didn't see that. Like, I I kind of checked that box. Okay. Everything is updated. And when I went to the second line, when I actually went to my list of plugins, down by that plugin, it said update available. And I was like, but I I don't have a little number one. There's an update available. And the minute I updated that, everything was fine.

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So, yeah, Jim has the question I wanna know. Who still is using WordPress? Yeah. It's when they went to the block thing, I was like, oh, I am feeling very human because I didn't like the block thing.

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Now it's gotten a lot better, but I was just, you know It has gotten it has gotten better. Yeah. Early on, it was messy.

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Yeah. Google Earth was like, ew. Yeah. Yeah. They've put some things up. And everybody thinks I hate WordPress now because of PodPage. But I will say, I don't miss constant updates. I don't miss I mean, I spend a hundred and $50 a year now on Wordfence for one website because if I don't have Wordfence on the school of podcasting, it would get ugly quick.

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And I get things from Wordfence on a regular basis saying, hey. A bunch of people in Germany are trying to hack your site. And I'm like, well, it's worth a hundred and $50. I just wish I didn't have to worry about that.

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Yeah. See, Daniel says I love the block editor, and that's where I was, well, it's time to go through the learning curve because I still edit the old thing. And I was like, maybe it's time to ditch that. And I do a site for my church, and I use a block editor, and then there's some other third party thing that adds more blocks and blah blah blah. And I was like, you know, come on, old man. Like, get with the new stuff.

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But I was just surprised that the answer was turn off all your plugins. And I was like, oh, has it been that long since I've had to troubleshoot WordPress? So if you're a WordPress person and you're doing also, you don't forget to back that thing up.

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Most hosts have a backup, but I would have like, I use WP manageWP.com. Because the thing I like about that, because I've had to use it, is it's not just enough to back up the site. How easy is it to restore the site? And Manage WP, it's, like, super easy to back to restore your site. And I like them, and then they got by GoDaddy.

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They're still great, but they ditched their affiliate program. Randy says your website, WordFest, just blocked me because I was looking around. Any page is not loading. I exceeded the maximum global request per minute. Well, there you go. That's exciting. So it's a lot of clicking.

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That's a lot of click. Randy's going to text. A lot of clicking. Randy said a bot at my site. On occasion, it will do things that and it will block me, and then I have to go, no. It's me.

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It's okay. You know? I use UpdraftPlus for my backup, and that seems to work out that that seems to work out really well.

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You know, they I think I have a backup weekly. We've actually restored it one time. Christian and I, it was having some trouble. He's got he's like, you got a backup? I was like, yeah. You got a backup? Yeah. So we got that we got that in end. So that's the thing on the backups. Right?

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It's not a backup unless you've tested it. And, like, that's it. It really is a backup. While we're talking WordPress and website, there is a very strange I think I just made up a new verb. Stranged. It's a strangely named app, I guess, we'll call it, service. It's Anvocado, which everybody I know just calls it Avocado because we don't wanna throw in the extra n. It is in fact, let me share my site. This is at AppSumo for $59 for a yearly thing, and they have some templates. So this it's a pop up maker. Or in my case, I didn't like, you can have it do fun things like spin like, I could have the wheel of names on my website for your email address, and all of these are customizable. And I was using from Elegant Themes, which is the people that make Divi, their bloom plug in for pop ups, and it was okay. It was pretty, but it was like, you know, and I wanted it the the thing I love is you can trigger this based on let me go back into the one I made. The you can trigger this if I just go next next. Yeah. You can have right now, I have the algorithm figuring out when to put this pop up on. You can do an exit intake intent. So when people go to leave, they're like, hey. Wait. What if I gave you a coupon? A ribbon trigger, which is always visible. So, basically, that's a little thing on the side. The thing I'm really looking forward to is they have click based. So I could have a button that says sign up for the newsletter, click, and little pop up shows up. So for $59, I was like, definitely worth it. And the other thing I found out is as much as people love to you know, they wake up in the morning and, like, I hope I can find a newsletter to sign up for today. I have been I have been offering, you know, free daily podcast tips for a very long time, and I would occasionally get people that would sign up. It's grown over the years. But my coach said, hey.

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People like stuff. You know? And I said, okay. And he's like, do you have any lead magnets? I go, well, I have a free course, schoolofpodcasting.com/babysteps that just walks people through what's your podcast about, where you're gonna get into all those questions that we answer here. I answer them in that free course, and I said, I've got a checklist. I've got all sorts of stuff. He's like, alright. We'll give them something. He goes, I'm here to tell you you will get more emails if you give them something versus, like, knowledge. Like, I was saying, hey. Daily podcast tips.

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I think if you go to schoolofpodcasting.com/daily, you get daily podcast tips. And I would get, I don't know, four leads a month doing daily podcast tips. I offered a free course, and I've had a lead a day. Now I'm not gonna you know, that's nothing compared to the, you know, mega marketers, but I'm like, in a week, I've already got more leads than I have in a month. So if you're a person and you're gonna you can tell Dave's getting into newsletter land. This is what I've been studying for, like, a couple weeks now. And Daniel says I use Elementor Pro for pop ups. So yeah. And as much as we hate pop ups, I learned this from working in PodPage because there's a built in pop up maker in PodPage. And the reason people use pop in pop ups is, oh, that's right. They work. As much as we go, you know, just don't be a weenie, like, with that avocado thing. When I first made that little pop up that I had, the x was ever so faint. It was almost the same color as the background. So, yeah, they really look for it. And I'm like, I'm not gonna be a weenie, and I could go in and say, look. Make the close button black so I could see on a white background so people don't go. Like, I I can't get this thing off my screen. I'm like, no. I don't wanna be an annoying marketer. Like, that's no good. So It's a it's a balance somehow. Right? I mean, that stuff can be I get super annoyed when I go to sites and those Yeah. And then when you can't get them to stop Yeah. That they just keep popping up. You know, like, come on. I think there's a balance in there somewhere between too early and too many. Yeah. And you like, if when as soon as I hit the site, I've seen some new sites that I've hit and you the first scroll pops up and you're like, alright. That's a little too early. Yeah. And then you click it off or you move away from it.

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You go to the next page and it pops up again. That's too many.

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And so I just, you know, I know you don't want to miss that, but I think for most people less is better, you know? And so pop it up and get it done. I've had one popping up. I had one popping up advertising my newsletter, which I haven't written in two or three years and nobody was signing up for it. So I'm like, well, this pop up is not working. So I shut it off. Right. Because I just knew it wasn't getting, I was getting hits. I mean, it was getting folks coming to the site for whatever reason, what they were looking for was not a pop up newsletter. No. So that's a good test to Dave, by the way, too, is, you know, hey. To test that for a while, if it's not getting results, don't burden your audience with it. You know? If you throw it out there and you just get zero or very small returns on it, You've done it wrong or your audience. That's not the way to, that's not the way to reach them. So, you know, turn that thing off. If you can get those distractions out of the way, if they're not working, you don't just because everybody else has a pop up on their site doesn't mean you do too. Just because everyone else jumps off the cliff Right. Being my mom being my mom. If Johnny Johnson jumps off the bridge, yeah, if I have a nickel You don't have to you don't have to have a pop up to be a podcaster.

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Right. Quote that one. That's it. That's one. You don't have to have a pop up to be a podcaster. Yeah. Daniel says I use pop ups deeper into the engagement or when someone is leaving. I like to show a pop up. Yeah. Yeah. The first impression, especially, like, the ones I have when I was doing it myself, I think you had to be on the site forty five seconds, which is of you know, before even because the other thing I the other thing I hate is when well, let me get to this. Rich says, ugh. I hate a pop up offering some kind of discount right when I arrive before I do anything. Seems like they're giving too much away too early. Yep. I would agree with that. The other one I hate is somebody has a sale or something, and you get a great deal, And then you sign up for the, whatever, $17 thing, and you go great. It's like, oh, hey. This is the only time you will see this screen. We're offering 50% off the next thing. And you're like, no. I actually just wanna go play with the$17 thing I did. Then you go, no. And it's like, are you sure? We'll give you even more of a discount. Like, now you're trying too hard. And you're like, no. Really? Can I just get my thing and go? And then you click no. And it's like, wait. We've got another and it's just offer after offer. And I'm like, can I just get my ebook and go home? And they're like, no. Look. 40% off. You'll only see this once.

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Fear of missing out off the chart. You must order. No. I just want the ebook. I'm gonna go read it. So, yeah, you know, that's always fun. Jeff says the biggest thing that has grown my list isn't pop ups, but Kit's recommendation engine. Yeah. I think that's why I get more sign ups at Substack, And that's the thing I'm trying to figure out because I wanna do like, again, my coach says these things that or he makes me say them out loud. He's like, so you have you've you've 4,000 people on SendFox. And I go, yeah. And he goes, and you're not emailing them? And I go, well, the daily people, you know, the daily podcast tips people, but everybody else know that. I mean, I usually just I give them their PDF and go, alright. Thanks. Here's you know, I'm over there. So he's like, oh, dude. You gotta, you know so that's always fun. Dan says pondering the pet peeves of pop ups is, a, fun to say and is a good test of popping p's for podcasters. They got the whole thing.

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Pondering the pet peeves of pop ups is a good test of popping p's of podcasters. Yeah. Yeah. The Rich says, yeah. Magi got me with that. This is the only time you'll see this trick, and I subbed for a year. Yeah. Well, sometimes it's you know, they get you. But, yeah, that was that was that one. And then, of course, I did promise this. And now it's time for a power rant. Alright. I saw this morning, and I was like, oh, come on. Alright. So long story short, I had a podcast through Anchor. Alright.

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That's for okay. We won't hold that against you. And I haven't logged in for a while, and now I'm trying to get everything updated to Spotify for creators. But wait. There's more. Well, I cannot import my Anchor podcast over because according to Spotify customer service there's Spotify customer service? Okay. They said it. My RSS was shut off by Hooshka, which was bought by Spotify. And he says, but Hooshka also doesn't exist any longer and is now megaphone by Spotify. So it's really weird to me that they can't help me, acted like Wooshka is a separate thing. Well, it kinda is. And that my account doesn't exist anywhere in in the Megaphone system. Megaphone's are there. Yeah. Megaphone's contact form is useless. It's a useless ploy to drum up business. You can't actually ask them a question to get help. Is anyone in a similar boat that can explain how I can get my RSS feedback? But here's the thing that I just was like, wait. What? It starts off, after saying all this stuff, what's he trying to do? I'm trying to move Anchor, which was bought by Spotify, to Spotify for creators. I'm like, no. You're like it's like, you know, he only beats me a couple times a week. No. You don't go back to that guy. Well, get away from that guy. You gotta be kidding me. I was like, oh, that's ridiculous. So and I told him. I said, look. Go to castfeedvalidator.com. That's owned by Blueberry now. Click on the find my feed and type in the name of your show. That should, if it's available, unless they just wiped it off the planet, you know, give you your feed, which you can then import into something like Captivate or Buzzsprout or Lipson or Blueberry. Do not ugh. I was just like, you gotta be kidding me. What that Practically speaking, you just nuke the thing and start over. Right? I mean, yes. Okay. I mean, you yeah.

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You could go through all the work to try to find it and get it back, whatever. Chances are between all those purchases and conversions and stuff being shut down, just he I don't know how many downloads you had before, but it's not worth it. Just nuke it, start over. It's just it's sometimes that's just easier.

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You know? Yeah. He said, long story short, he didn't say how long he had it. But, yeah, like, for me, I was like yeah. I'm always like, well, try to get the RSS feed so you're not really starting from zero. But if you go to that tool and it's like, then it's like, well, you know startle.

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But that brings up this other one, which isn't quite power rant worthy, but it is one that I was like, come on, kids. Like, really? And he says, I use Blogger to make my podcast feed, and it's not updating anymore.

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And it's, hey. My eight track tape player isn't playing the tape. I'm like, come on. So I'm still using Blogger to launch new episodes for my podcast. It's an old one. Yeah. You think? So that's why I'm still there. Yesterday, I wanted to post a new episode using archive.org. Come on, kids. But it's not showing on my feed.

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Does anyone know if anything happened recently? Thanks for the help. Oh, by the way, this is my feed. And that's right.

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He's using FeedBurner. And I was just like, okay. So with this one, look, maybe back in the day, I never ever recommended using archive.org for a media host.

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I was like, that's not really what it's for. Can you do it?

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Sure. But I was like, that's not really a media host. But okay.

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Down for two weeks at the end of the year. Yeah. Actually, more. I think it was a whole month. Yeah. And blogger, I'm like, it's just time. And so I told him, I said, look. If you need free, do not use Spotify. I go, there is Red Circle. I go, but, really, like, Captivate, Buzzsprout, Blueberry, Lipson, you know, hobbies cost money, and you should be able I said, if you can get your feed, import it into one of those tools, and then update your FeedBurner if you want to stay with FeedBurner, which I remember years ago, we were all, like, over under all when it was gonna go out of business. They did kinda update it. Yep. And that's when I said he said, well, how do I update my FeedBurner? And that, again, is kinda one of those where if you don't remember your FeedBurner login and you know, I'm sure there's a password reset over there. But for me, if I wanna if I lost my FeedBurner login, I mean, that's a email I used twenty years ago. And I'm I think Google consumed that into their own I think you now log in to FeedBurner with your Google account. Account. Yeah.

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I don't think it's I don't I think it's I think Well, if you didn't have a Google account back in '20 or 02/2005, I just Well, you had to associate it. At one point, I think you had to switch it. Okay. And I I think I'm trying to remember. This was, like, a thousand years ago. Well, that's it. I was like, is this kind of like, you know, the site looks like an intern built it, just to be honest. Like, I mean, I'm pretty sure the FeedBurner conversion was done by an intern. So, hey, you know, I did you see the the link on that though? It was feedburner.com/vhspodcasts,vhs?

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No. Yeah. Yeah. It is. On the link. VHS podcast VHS. Oh, okay. Listen. I listen. We're judging, and we should not be judging. You can talk about anything.

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Yeah. I mean, here's my feed burner. Yeah. None none none of these have, you know, but you can see Look how Spartan that is.

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Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's still there. What happens if I sign out? What's the front page of this thing? Okay. Now if I go to feedburner.com No. No. It's Oh, it's yeah. It makes you log in there. Property. It's they've fully integrated it at this point. I haven't been out there in a thousand years. So it's, you know, it's there. It's still there. If you I think it maybe that conversion was automatic. I don't know. Well, it's weird because they did update it for a bit because they I had it, like I felt all important. I had a super secret can't talk about it meeting with Google. And they're like, yeah. We're gonna we're gonna revive. We're gonna update FeedBurner, and they're like, we like your opinion. And I'm like, are you sure I'm the guy you wanna talk to? Like, you know, because I'm like, well, it does this. It it does. There were some things that FeedBurner didn't do well, and I explained it to them. And I think they somewhat updated it, but, yeah, I haven't been back, you know, since Obama was in office to look at it.

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And, yeah. So I was thinking George Bush the first.

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That's time. That's what I Thousand points of feed burner. Yeah. Not gonna do it. Not gonna do it. Not gonna do it. Not gonna update. Nope. Yeah. So I just to me and, look, I get it. You know, if it's working and this really to the the thing it gets me is, like, when do I move off a platform when it quits working? And your bloggerarchive.org feed burner thing, you know, I get it. It's all free. But, you know, again, if you're only doing an episode every now and then, Libsyn has a$7 a month plan. 7 like, that's you know? Come on, kids. You know? Hobbies cost money, and that's not gonna, you know, skip one Starbucks out of the month, and you're you've paid for it. Yeah. One? That's just that's barely one. Yeah. It's true. If you don't get any, you know, whatever.

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Chris says the name Spotify for creators is actually the complete opposite of what they're for, more accurately. Spotify for advertisers, Mike.

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For sure. Yeah. That's the yeah. Absolutely. I've accurate, Chris. Yeah.

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It's pretty accurate. I watched this guy now on Facebook, I think he's on YouTube, called Sync Money, and he's all about how musicians really, the way they can make money now is through sync licensing. So you're basically licensing your music for Netflix and other things like that, but they keep popping up with stats about just how incredibly just David Letterman used to call I think it was TV executives weasels or something like that.

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And the the music business is just a bunch of weasels. And plus, you know, it's I just go in this you know, because it was like, oh, I'm gonna work I'm gonna work with Spotify and Robin. I'm like, you know, go Google how much what percentage of Spotify is owned by the record industry. And I'm like, it's a sizable chunk. And I'm like, these are really the people, you know. And Rich says, wasn't FeedBurner a good thing it was in 02/2005? Oh, Google. A good a Google thing. A Google thing. Oh, yeah. It is a good yeah. It is a good thing. It was a good thing. It's now a Google thing. Yes.

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Yeah. Daniel says it's still a good way to turn a non podcast feed into a podcast feed, like, from Blogger. Yeah. It has its thing. I'm just like I would just say move off a Blogger. Come on. Yeah. I can't that's I can't believe that's still around. Yeah. If you're a geek like Randy, I've cut my hosting fees down to less than$2 a month building my own CDN. That's all you have to do. And hosting static websites through CloudFlare. I built my feed using sovereign feeds. Yeah. I remember when I first tried Amazon something for hosting, and you had buckets. I just remember that.

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And I went from paying Libsyn, whatever it was, $20 a month. And I remember, like, my first month was something ridiculous, like 37¢. It was really cheap. And then I added another episode and another episode. Then you gotta remember when people find your episode, they will download, in some cases, the whole back catalog, and I finally quit. I think my bill went up to, like, $34, and I was like, alright. That's enough of that experiment. But that again was also, man, probably in 02/2008, something like that. So, yeah, Chris says it is it's throwback, you know, Thursday, blogger, what's next? Microsoft front page running Netscape Navigator. Get off my lawn. Yeah.

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Exactly. Yeah. It's it's some old technology there. And then it also I did this thing one of the things that and I always hate this but when you get into marketing someone's going to tell you you have to tell them your story and I'm always like I don't know that people really need to know my story but last night was funny. So I'm working on this email thing that will include my story. Well, my story is twenty years long, and the story was, like, four and a half pay. I'm like, nobody's reading this.

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That's ridiculous. But it's funny how, you know, marketing and, you know, things change over time. And so maybe they don't need my story to identify with me and figure out if they wanna work with me and, you know, I was a shy kid that got fired at the age of 16. Blah blah blah. So, you know, maybe go back and check to see if what you're what you were doing ten years ago is still working. Listen, I'll disagree with you a little bit. Not very strongly, just to be honest. But I'll disagree with you a little bit. I do think people wanna know your story, but I don't think it's the first time they meet you. I think it's after they've been listening to you for a while. I agree with you. You know, bury that thing a little bit. I mean, put it I'm not saying do it on purpose, but don't that's not your lead magnet. Your story listen. Nobody this is gonna sound insensitive, but nobody cares about people they don't know yet. Like, it just isn't there. They need to get to know you. Right? And so have it out there. I think listen.

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Your four page story, Dave, on your site somewhere is not a bad thing to have. One, it's probably got good SEO. Two, in the term in the world of generative AI search, it's important.

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Like, it AI is gonna pick up some of that stuff. And if it can associate it with you well, I mean, yeah, I'm assuming you posted it, so you want it out there. So it's I don't think it's a bad idea to have a long, you know, have a long version of your story.

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Some folks who've been listening to to you for a while get really geeked out by that. They're like, oh, that's why he says the things he does. That's why he right? And so I I think I don't think it's a bad idea to have it. It's just not a lead magnet. I think this is the people think like, oh, yeah. My story is interesting.

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Not really, to be honest. We all have a story. I mean, it is.

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It's more interesting after I've gotten to know you. Yeah.

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Well, oh, crap. Joe Pulizzi from used to the creator of Content Marketing Incorporated. He now does a newsletter called The Tilt that is a must read for me every Monday, I think it is. And, yes, mental mayhem says, can we ask a question? Yes. We'll take any questions. Or up here, ask the podcastcoach.com/question. We'll pop you into the video. We just prefer you're wearing pants or clothes or things like that. But, yeah, he said people don't care about you until you give them a reason to care. And so when you start off and you're like, I was born, you know, my dog's name was Butch and blah blah blah, we don't care. But the minute I say, oh, here's some steps you can use that might actually grow your podcast, they're like, oh, who is this guy? So you have to give them some reason to kinda like you and wanna know more. Yeah. Nobody like, when you had Bernie on, you know, like, it then all of a sudden, people wanna know, like, who is this? Who is Bernie the cat? Well, then a little bit of a little, you know, a little bit of background on Bernie is appropriate at that point. But to have a newsletter and lead with Bernie the cat, people are like, wow. The history I don't even know who this cat is.

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Right? So I think just don't get the cart before the horse on that one. Still have it. Just don't get the cart before the horse. It's not a lead magnet. People let people find it in your about. Yeah. Stephanie from nosyaf.com. I hate when people do that on YouTube videos. I don't care. You're a father three. Just show me how to make the pivot table. Exactly. It's all like me. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's always kinda crazy with that. But it was interesting because it was kind of as much as we're all focused on, I wanna grow my audience, I wanna grow my audience, which we are but don't forget to maybe look at where you are because you forget like where you've come from like I was going through this and I was like oh I totally forgot that I went to college got a degree in electronics fell into teaching for ten years, one employee of the year, and then got laid off. And I was like, wait, but I'm employee of the year. Why? How can you lay me off? And then I went to get a job in teaching, which I'd been doing for ten years, and they're like, yeah we can't even talk to you without a teaching degree and I'm like but I have a degree they're like yeah in electronic engineering and so I had to start over and go back to school and which I'm gonna tie into podcasting now so your history and your experience helps make up who you are and how you attack things and this is something we always say and I saw a great example of this and I'm you're probably going to hear me talk about this in the school of podcasting but I always say you know people like well how can I make my show different and the default is well you are going to make it different because of your history and your experiences and your insights and your opinions but man did I see two great examples of this were you much of a smashing pumpkins fan by any chance no not at not at all no me neither I was like he was the guy that outed all my great eighties hair bands right but billy corrigan is a guy who is the lead singer of Smashing Pumpkins who was very popular I mean they were on Lollapalooza and this and also Babaria that dude's name Billy is very opinionated and will admit that his opinions got him into some hot water but he's now interviewing some of his idols as is do you remember Richard Marx?

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Richard Marx has a show, and these are both YouTube channels. And I think Billy's might be a podcast, And I wish I could remember the names of them. I would I know Richard Marx is something like a a story to tell, and what was interesting about it is Billy knows what it's like to be really famous and to have the power of fame and, you know, and he's interviewing Gene Simmons. Well, it turns out Billy is a huge Kiss fan, and he's interviewing what appears to be one of his idols and just asked all sorts of questions about the music biz and this and that. And what was interesting is he said, you know, KISS was never really lifted up as a great band musically, like, musical talent. He goes, obviously, Paul's a great singer. He goes, but Peter, Chris on the drums and Ace and but and he's like, did you ever feel slighted like that like I know people, you know it took a while for you guys to get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and in total Gene Simmons answer he goes well I actually thought about buying the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame which was his way of saying, look. I got what I wanted.

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Lots and lots of money. I don't really care about that kind of stuff. And then on the Richard Marx thing, he and Paul Stanley because Paul Stanley is, like, 70 now, and he was talking about how they went to do their last ever tour because he and Gene were like, look. We're athletes on stage, and we're getting old, and we can't do this at the level we wanna do it, which god bless him. I mean, I love Paul McCartney, but that performance on Saturday Night Live made me cry a little bit because my hero's losing his voice and kinda already has.

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Yeah. And so Paul Stanley talks about how they went to do their last tour and COVID hit, and he's like look that was the last tour because we're kind of losing the ability to put on the show we want and he goes and then COVID came and tick tick tick clock is still he goes I'm still getting older he goes that didn't stop and so they talked about how do you handle going from being famous and touring and having 20,000 people think you're amazing, and now you're home and you gotta take out the garbage? And so they started talking about what they've learned in therapy, And I was like, okay.

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This is a question I don't think you're gonna get on other shows.

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So based on who you are, but also I don't really like Billy Corgan. I've heard some of the things he said with his opinion. I think he is a little bit. He will it's kind of a bad word, but it's his word, and he goes, look. In the 2000s, I was a dick. He goes, just, like, let's just that's what it was. And I kind of think that. But the more I watch his show, the more I'm like, this guy's actually pretty smart. And so he interviewed, like, Sharon Osborne and things like that. So if you're thinking I should do a show, but I can't because somebody else is already talking about that subject, If you can come at it from a different angle, because both these guys, I was like, I don't really wanna watch this. And then I started listening to it in the background, and I was like, this isn't a bad show. Like, he spent he he interviewed Sharon Osbourne, and these are, like, an hour and a half. And for probably the first forty five minutes, he just talked about Sharon Osbourne's dad because he was, like, this big music executive and kinda hard handedly managed people. And it was interesting because people were saying your dad's a bad guy. He's not good for you know, he treats his artists like crap.

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And she goes, I was really good friends with Jeff Lynn from ELO. We would hang out. And then one day, he looked at me and said, well, your dad owes me $4,000,000. And she was like, no. And she goes, and then I found out he did. And she goes and so there were years where she was really estranged from her dad because she's like, hey. You're not so if you're thinking about that, it it's also the power of asking different different questions. So I think metal mayhem may be in in the maybe waiting. You you see? I do not.

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Oh. Let me make sure here because I didn't hear him come in. K. But he say he was go so you go. Right? This is we're on what are we on? We're on EPM. Do we have to sign in to to get No. You should just click that button and Wait. Type in your name and click on join or something.

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Because I have it set set now to go or whatever in the background. Because I remember the one time I was watching the replay or something, and I saw where somebody was sitting in the back end for you know?

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Yeah. So if you go to askthepodcastcoach.com/ here, I'll I'll even do this. I saw a blank.

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Oh, that's because I that's that was my fault. I I will be, crazy, and that is the direct link to that's basically what ask the podcast code he says I'm here.

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Yeah. We don't see you. That's okay. Sometimes we have technical problems with it. You can throw your question in chat. We can Yeah. Because I'm looking at the interview screen. I see me and I see Jim.

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I wonder what's going on. Interesting. But try that link I just put in the in the chat. But the joys of live. Yeah. It keeps blinking. Like, my little box, it has me and Jim on the back end of this. Every now and then, it goes and blinks. Like Oh. And I'm like, but I've got it expanded now. I thought, well, maybe I've somehow haven't made the box big enough to see him, but it's I have it set to make like, when Jim when you joined it, whatever,

00:42:19.065 --> 00:42:40.230
15, I heard it is, like Yeah. Noise because I'm like, I don't wanna have people joining me, like, completely ignore them. Stephanie has a question while we're waiting for metal mayhem. If you have an idea for a show that's somewhat related to your current one, do you think it makes more sense to start a whole new show? Nope. Or could you weave a few episodes of the topic in occasionally? Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things.

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Starting a new show, the problem is now that we've done one, it's easy. Right? Okay. I'm gonna all I need is artwork. I'll if I'm using Captivate, I can just start a second show, no additional cost. And, you know, I've got microphones.

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I've got stuff. Okay. But you still have to promote another show. You still have to try to grow another show. And if it's on the same thing like, I'm working on an episode right now about marketing, and if you're running your podcast as a business, and just saying that, I realized that there's a pretty big chunk of my audience that doesn't run their podcast like a business. And I, at first, was like, I'm not even sure if I should do this episode.

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And when I looked into it and I interviewed Steve Stewart, so this is coming. I'm just working on the episode. I was like, wait a minute.

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I gotta make this a little more because it's math. Like, there's nothing more fun in an audio podcast than lots of math. Right? It's just you people will just immediately fall asleep. So I'm like, alright. I need to come up with a story that I can work the math into.

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And so I found one first from Ray Edwards.

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So spoiler alert, Ray Edwards made millions of dollars a year for seven years and went bankrupt.

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That's what caught my eye. And I was like, okay. So in the process and then I interviewed Steve, and Steve brought some great stuff about this thing called Profit First, which is a great book by Mike Michalowicz. And it's fun to just say Michalowicz. Go ahead. Try it.

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It's fun. And I was like, And I was like, I'm not going to put out this episode until I go through this. So I got a hold of, finally, after Ralph forever going, hey. I can help you with that whole LLC s corp thing.

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So I started the process of becoming, you know, an official business as opposed to just for 20 just going, yeah. I need to do that every year. Yeah. I need to do that. And so I'm actually going through the process. So that episode will come out when it's there.

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But yeah. And Ralph says, it's not about math, Dave. It's the stress, emotions, and potential pain caused by not running it as a business. Well, I just I'm running into people and myself that it's easy if you are like, I would just claim it as whatever it is, additional income, and I would just go, oh, it's a tax write off. I'll buy a microphone. It's just a well, you I like, literally and, again, I'm doing half the show now, but I did this this week. And I went into GoDaddy, and I said, show me domains that are up for renewal in the next thirty to sixty days, and I canceled seven. So domains is something that that it's kind of oh, Dave. He's addicted to to domains. Yeah. It's not funny when you finally go, wait. How much did I spend last year on domains that I'm not using? So you gotta be careful. But you could use them someday. That's the hard part. Right? Well, that's it. I may have something that could hit. You know?

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Podcastcollaboration.com. I owned it. Not anymore.

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I was and I'm gonna try to sell these, but I was like, really? Who bought it? Who bought it? You know? Right now, it's just it's waiting to expire.

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So it will be available in a month or so. But, yeah, Stephanie Oh, go ahead. I'm I wanna answer Stephanie's question too, but go go ahead. Go ahead.

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Well, I think, you know, one of the things we do a lot at Gallup with new ideas is just run them as a test through the current channel or channels. You know, we have a couple different channels we can run them through. So if we're thinking of doing something new, I always just say, well, let's just try it once before we get married to this thing. Like, let's go on a date, and we'll try it and get some audience feedback on it and run it down. You don't have to you don't have to make a big deal about it. Just get the content out there, run it down your current, you know, your current stream, your current feed, and and maybe even ask for some feedback. If it's gonna be radically different, warn the audience, say, hey. We're doing this as a test.

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We'd love feedback on it. Send feedback to whatever at whatever.

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And and get some you know, you may do it once and then go, or you may do it a couple times ago.

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You know, and then maybe there's not enough content. I think sometimes, Dave, we think that we got the greatest idea and there's a thousand episodes. And you got a great idea, but there's three episodes Yeah. In it. Right? If and you get down that path. I had an old, pastor friend of mine back when I used to do some church work. He used to say, don't actually do something until you see a big demand. I mean, almost let the demand force it to happen. And so, you know, it was real wise advice of, like, you know, don't create a new program until you've got some real demand pent up for it where everybody's asking, hey. If I could just get this type deal. So, Stephanie, I wouldn't you know, I'd test it out through the feed if you can before you make the decision. Then once you get it going, I follow the guys over at, One Nation Under Whiskey.

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I listen to those guys. And they started a podcast, then they moved it to YouTube, then they started another podcast, then they stopped, then they started so they had two going, and they were doing two YouTube. And then for a while in their feed, it was all in one feed, and then they stopped doing the podcast feed, and it was only available on YouTube. I know why they did that. They were trying to push people to their YouTube channel. Right? Right. Because YouTube's way easier to monetize than a podcast, right, for most people. For most people. I'm now hearing people screaming at me now. Easier. Yeah. Yeah. I think I Easy. Easier. Easier. Right. Yeah. Easier.

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In in in most cases, I think. So that gets me out of the one person that's making more money on their podcasts than they are on YouTube.

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But, and then they went back and there was, then they stopped doing the podcast altogether, the second podcast, and there was such backlash. They were like, guess what? It's coming back. So the they're constantly now. Is that do you wanna do that much movement? I don't know. That's a lot of Yeah. It's a lot of audience change, right, to try and you get them coming back, going left, going right. Would I do that much change? Probably not. They did. They're doing fine. They're doing fine with it, but test it out before you. An example too is sometimes, like, Lee Silverstein had the colon cancer podcast. Mhmm. No guessing what that show's about.

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Right? It's about colon cancer. And after about, I don't know, five years or so, he rebranded it and to we have cancer because he wanted to talk about not just colon cancer, but he realized that when anybody in your family has cancer, everybody in the fam like, that affects the whole family. And so he rebranded it to we have cancer, and and it allowed him to expand it a little bit, but they were still talking about cancer and treatment and just the mental stress of living with cancer.

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And so, I mean, if all I did was talk about, you know, microphones and bandwidth and downloads and, you know, that would drive me crazy. But that's why I hang out in Reddit groups and Facebook groups because the more you know your audience, the more how far you can like, I realize, look, I'm you know, not all of my audience is running their podcast as a business, but there are other, like, lessons in there that even if you're not running your podcast as a business, you could do. So that's coming in a couple weeks.

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Now what I'm trying to figure out is, am I gonna tie that into newsletter stuff? Because that's kind of adjacent, because that kind of applies.

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And I'm like, I don't think so. I think newsletters are gonna be its own episode, but I'm always kind of it it all comes back to knowing your audience. That's how you make decisions over your content. And that's just, you know, drop an avatar, and sometimes it applies to that's where I always say I don't drink my own coffee or my own I don't eat my own cat food. How does that go?

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Whatever it is. Dog food. Dog food. Dogs eat dog food. Most we drink champagne.

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That's what we're saying. Drink your own champagne. Is you know, I know there are times that I have beginners who are trying to start their podcast, but a large chunk of my audience already has a podcast. They're trying to grow it. So anytime I do and I will probably do a disclaimer on that show and say, hey. Today's show is for those people that are running their podcast as a business. If you're not running your podcast as a business, you know, this isn't for you, but it is a fun store. Well, it's not a fun story, but it can be a fun story. So it's one of those things where, you know, I'm willing to take a shot on that if it's good, and that's what I'm working on right now. Because when I Steve and I did a great conversation, but I was like, oh, this is like, it's my stuff, and I'm not, like, on the edge of my seat. And I was like, how can I make this more entertaining as well as educational?

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And I was like, oh, we need a story. And that's when I was like, well, I gotta go through this then. I can't ask my audience to do something that I haven't done. And so I'm in the process of doing that kind of stuff. Oh, Dave. The this listen. The statement that you just made about I can't lead this is the way I say it. I can't lead people to places I've never been before.

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Right. It's so important. I mean, if you're in the advice space, you know, I see this all the time of folks, you know, we see this in the podcast space all the time. Folks never done anything before and they're given advice Right. On it. And you're, you know, you should probably go there. You should probably try it yourself before you get too far on this thing, you know. And so if you're gonna if you're gonna, you know, if you're gonna take folks down a path, you gotta be do I think my opinion is.

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You gotta be doing it yourself too. Well, what's interesting is there's there are business checking accounts, and I was ready to recommend one. And I've been contacting their support because I'd like to be an affiliate because I think they're it's a really great service. So I was like, oh, cool. And then I saw they had an affiliate program, and I signed up on the eleventh. It's the twenty second, and I'm still not approved. And I was like, hey. Anything you guys need from me? Like, you know, what's the deal? And it's been crickets.

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And I'm like so I actually reached out to the support team and said, hey.

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I realize it's a different department, but can you, like, you know, go kick somebody in affiliates and say, hey. Dave wants to be an affiliate, and he's got he's going to be a customer. You know? And that's the other thing. I'm like, I was gonna use this company as a customer, but if this is your support, no. And then their competitor did a webinar and answered a bunch of questions, and when I emailed them, they got right back. And I'm like, we might have a new favorite because I don't wanna recommend somebody if they're not gonna support their product. I mean, that's no good. So that's where I'm kinda glad that I was like, let me go through this first and that whole thing is so metal mayhem. I am too reliant on AI tools like Grammarly, Descript, OpenShift, and JetGPT for everything from titles to blogging and SEO. Okay.

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Am I? Is yes. Is it's can you be too dependent on those things? What are the dangers of using that maybe too much or without checking the human element of it? Yeah. I find myself talking to the chat robot more than friends, family, exact yeah. Two different issues there, by the way. Yeah. My Right. For me, when I say write an article about such and such, it does. It's not bad, not really in my voice, even I know I could go into chat g p t and say this is Dave, and here are five blogs from Dave, and it will kinda sound like me. Mhmm. I am more of, let me write the blog. Now here's the thing.

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Writing has never been content creation is not a problem for me. Right? Give me an idea. Give me a half an hour, and I will spit out a blog post, and it's me.

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It's a % Dave. What I do then is take that and go chat g p t, like, make this better.

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And then I look at it and go, is it better? And if it is and it's still me, I'll use it. But if it you know, all of a sudden, I'm deep delving in the blob. I'm like, no. Like, hold on. So I'm a fan of having it take something you wrote and kind of beef it up a bit. I'm not a huge fan of letting it, but what I do sometimes is I will say, give me here's my transcript for my episode. Give me 10 episode titles. And almost nine times out of 10, I will take part of one and part of number six and, oh, wait a minute. And then something that I that it then sparked an idea. So I use it as a brainstorming tool.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard folks say the best ex explanation is use it like you'd use an intern, which is, I think, is a great explanation for you. Still, you're doing the thought. You're doing the, you know, the you're doing the human part of it. But from a generation standpoint, it's getting really good. So I I certainly would not discourage you from using it. Your now your second question's a little different in that.

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If you're spending, you know, if you're spending time on it more than your friends and your family, now that was I'm sure that was a joke. Right? Right. You said LOL at the end there. So that's, you know, that's not bad. Just, you know, just be careful with it. But it too much of it like, this is where you need to measure your what what kind of engagement are you getting with it? As an example, I wrote a bunch of articles over at theaverageguy.TV using it when it first came out. And Christian pinged me. He's my web host guy and friend. He's like, are you writing a bunch of AI articles?

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Like, he picked them out right away. And in the even that early, I wasn't as in tune to the similar structure. Like, AI now is pretty easy to pick out in somebody's writing. You can kinda tell. And even my editor at work is like, yeah. It's too flowery, and it's too like, it it try it tries to be impressive with too many words sometimes. Right? Some of those things. So I think you yes. And it can help with our workflows. It's a great assistant. Be careful that the content you take from it, it's just not completely copy paste. Now physician heal thyself when I do some show notes for HomeGadget Geeks, I take some of that stuff just copy and paste. I'm not too worried about it. I'm Right. At this point, I know it's deep in the show notes. Nobody's reading it. At that point, I put it there just so in the future I have it. But, you know, you said a o LOL is a laugh in there, but be careful with that. I mean, those these assistants, they're getting really good at talking to you. So be cautious of Yeah. Of how much time It's much better to talk to your audience.

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For sure, all is great. That way, you're not guessing what the audience wants. You you know exactly. And we talked about this a couple weeks ago where I gave it a transcript of me and Daniel J Lewis in the future of podcasting and I said hey like I had the audio thing on I'm like what did you think and it had a couple points like, hey. You guys could do a summary. Sometimes you use jargon, and the new person may not know that. So it gave me some things that were okay, but it's also a robot, and it doesn't have emotions. And I was laughing because I watched The Karate Kid on Netflix because I do a thing where I only have one streaming service at a time going back to money. And so I was like, wait. Before I ditch Netflix for Apple so I can go watch whatever that one show is, Severance, I wanna go watch season two, and I'm like, oh, crap. I'm in the middle of Karate Kid, so I binge it. And I was laughing because, a, that that show knows who their audience is, and their audience is the people that watched it in 1984. Yes. It has a whole new audience, but they always tip their hat to 1984. And I was laughing because they did a montage. They talked about Rocky, and then they kind of recreated the Rocky one where Rocky's running through the city, and people are high fiving him and that whole nine yards, and they had the most cheesiest 80s music ever it just sounded like somebody making fun of the 80s it was like run for the gun you're gonna make it but just really you know synthesizer and blah blah and my favorite was at one point, it would be like this. Okay? So I'm gonna hold up a Zoom PodTrak p four. It was like this. They started the scene like this, like like the but it was this little it looked like a tennis racket, but instead of a tennis racket, they had this thing you would kick. And I believe the brand was champion. And I was like and I'm like, what a weird way to start this montage. And I was like, oh, look, kids. It's product placement. You know? It really it was just obvious product placement, and but that's one where they know their audience, and they're dealing to it. And so you you gotta be careful.

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The other thing it did, though, because I'm like, why was I talking about The Karate Kid? Because Chat GPT doesn't feel nostalgic. It doesn't do that. Doesn't have an emotion. Tell it to. Unless you tell it to. Right. The emotions bit, it is not very good at. It can be you can't it's cheesy nostalgic when you do that.

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You're like, you could say in the prompt and write it like it's an '8, it's a look back to the eighties. Right.

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And then it's gonna go gag me with a spoon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. So that's exactly what I'm referring to, the grunt work.

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Titling, show description, keyword placement, length of titles, YouTube yeah. It knows listen. It knows how to do good writing. It's good at it's good at writing. That's the you know, it uses even I was checking my show notes from this this week, and I let it do some stuff. And it, you know, it uses these words, especially if it thinks it's a podcast. It dives deep. The there's an AI, right, or delving. Yeah. Delves into. There's a or in a world or in an ever changing world. Those are also kind of dramatic things it always starts with, and you can kinda I had to generate five articles for me all in different subjects, and it started them all with in an ever changing world. Every single one started with that phrase.

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In an ever changing world, it tries to be dramatic. Right? So great tool, does great stuff. You definitely it's an intern. You need to edit and monitor and, you know, you should not necessarily all the time be just copy and pasting in there. And and always read it before you post it because I still love the I still love the one thing that was talking about podcasting, and it said podcastings had a findability problem going back to the nineties. And I was like, oh, really? Because, yeah, it wasn't around in the nineties. That is a findability problem. It is an evidence that around in the nineties. Let's just be clear about Yeah. That Steph Stephanie says to maybe tell chat to cut the dramatics Yeah. A bit. Right? Just a bit. You can do that.

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Don't be so dramatic. Yeah. Be you know. Be professional. You know who's not dramatic? Our awesome supporters. Our awesome supporters. That's right.

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And there was one fancy feast. She's worked with a ton. Like, you've it's one of those things you're like, hey. I've heard that commercial. And then it dawns on you like, hey. I know her. Holy cow. That's crazy.

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Randy says in terms of AI, remove uncommon words.

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Well, that's a good prompt. That's a good prompt. Yeah. There in Ask it, by the way, what are good prompts. It'll generate prompts for you. Like, hey.

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I wanna do this. What's a good prompt? And it will give you what it thinks it needs to do the prompt.

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And if you give it a prompt and it gives you the wrong answer, tell it it's wrong, and it'll do it again.

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And sometimes it gets it right the second time. That's crazy right there.

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So I had somebody I had a a friend ask it to write some code, and the code didn't work. And he said, yeah. That's not the right code. And so it said, oh, I'm sorry. Let me try again. And the second try was correct. Yeah. So yeah. What I've done is I'll say, you know, give me 10 episode titles for this, and then I look through it.

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And like I say, a lot of times, I'll Frankenstein one together. But if there is one that I like, I'll be and how do I know if I like it? It's a simple test. Which one makes me wanna click it more? That's my test. And so I'll see one. I'm like, I kinda like number eight. And then I'll go, which title do you like best and why? And I'll be like, I like number eight because it's specific and blah blah blah. It has a fear of missing out, whatever it is, and it'll explain why it thinks it's the best. And then sometimes they go, but also number three was good because it does this and that. It depends on what you're doing. And I was like, that's always kind of interesting. Daniel says sometimes feel talking to AI feels like talking to overseas tech support.

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Yes. In some cases, depending on who it is. It's it's I always tell people, it's interesting times that we live in. I've popped my popcorn, and I'm here to watch. I saw a thing video that I can't remember the name of it. It was Think Media, Sean something on YouTube, and he went in and just typed a prompt. And it made, like, a two minute video, and he said something about what would happen if Indiana Jones went to Area 51. Oh. And it was this cartoon of him climbing a fence and then going in through this cool tunnel, and then he comes up and there's a bunch of aliens with ring lights talking into their phones. So it was but that it did that just from a prompt, and that was like and so what he's doing is he's taking bible stories, throwing them into whatever chat g p t, but they really cornered the market on that. They are the Kleenex now. You You know what I mean? All AI is now Chiapiti. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he goes, write this for children, and he takes the script and puts that script into something that's, like, automaticpromptsomething.com. I'll see if I can find the video. And it then writes a very descriptive prompt that you put into this video generator, and he went in and said, make it part Lego, part kind of game block kinda dude, and it's pretty interesting. And now he's putting those videos on YouTube.

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And, hopefully, he says monetizing. We'll see. Randy says, I I provided with a track list and transcript for my music show, and have it write an episode summary and title. Usually comes out really good.

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Yep. It it definitely has saved me some time. My favorite use of it is I will often record a webinar and have it transcribed in Otter and just go summarize the main points of this. Because the first ten minutes, which drives me crazy, like, let's see where everybody's from.

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And it sounds like, you know, romper room from 1967.

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Oh, I see Billy's from, oh, New Zealand. Oh, okay.

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And Karen from Poughkeepsie. Great. And, you know, Bill's in Omaha. You know, it's like, okay. Can we get to the stuff I tuned in for? You know? And then the last ten minutes, you know, Sharon has a question from Sandusky, you know, and it's like, you know, there's a big giant pitch at the end. I'm like, can we just give me the stuff I look for? You know? And, Stephanie says, as always, it depends. Yeah. It always does.

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I just asked at GBT. I said, I'm doing a Ask a Podcast Coach podcast with Dave Jackson right now. What should we talk about? And I said, nice. Since you're live at Dave Jackson on Ask a Podcast Coach, here's some fresh, engaging topics to discuss that would spark conversation with your audience. Okay. I'll just do three of them.

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Okay. First one, is podcasting still growing or have we hit peak podcast? That's one. Two, the rise of AI tools in podcasting. It's funny. We just were talking about that.

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Right? Are they a threat or an opportunity? And then three, your favorite, YouTube's increasing dominance in podcasting.

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Should podcasters shift their focus?

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No. Again, if you wanna be on YouTube well, here's some news. The Apple has adopted a second podcasting two point o script, which is kinda funny because I, in and around podcasting with Mark Asquith and Danny Brown, came out with an episode that said, is podcasting two point o dead? James Cridland and Sam Sethi said, hey. Like, what's going on with podcasting two point o? And I've definitely voiced my frustration with the whole Satoshi thing kinda blowing up, and we're all kinda like, maybe this will and then Apple adopted a second.

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It's the whole thing about them with Apple now. You can still go to podcastconnect.apple.com and submit your show that way, but it's sounding like you're gonna be able to submit them through your media hosts, and then you just have to claim your show. And the way you'll claim your show is possibly through, apparently, something to do with you you'll put some sort of code in this text field that only you could do if you're the owner. So some sort of verification thing, and they're gonna use this two point o field. And so everybody's like, oh, hey. Wait a minute. Well, number one, kudos to Apple.

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And speaking of that, if you haven't filled out the Pod News, oh, it's something card, report card, Google that. Pod news report podcast report card.

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We need to fill that out soon. It takes he says ten minutes. It didn't take me ten minutes, but he's just asking for feedback on the different apps and where you think podcasting is going. So that's something I wanna point out, and it's just so as much as, like, for me, I was really excited about the streaming Satoshi thing. And so when it kind of like, right now, it's harder than it needs to be. And so I was kinda like, alright. You know? But there's a whole lot going on. Like, Adam just released Godcaster.fm, and all that is it takes a lot of these two point o features that media hosts aren't always embracing. And they have tools now that because if you think about it, if they have control of your feed control is maybe not the right word. If they can enhance your feed to have these different features and they then have players, so you don't have to rely on other apps, players to take advantage of these features, well, now you can create something that's completely different. And one of those things is, like, I need to look into the live action tag.

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And I asked Daniel once, like, how do you integrate a a live stream in the show? Because, obviously, we're live on YouTube. But if I we wanted to, we could go live in some of the podcasting two point o apps. And I just remembered Daniel explained it in about halfway through. I went, yeah. I'm not doing that. Okay. Because it was just it sounded although we could probably go live, I have a live streaming channel using a company called RadioLize, l I z e.

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Yes. Live item tag. Thank you, Randy. And so two point o isn't dead. It's just a case where and this is what Adam said. He goes, well, what are your expectations?

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And my expectations were the podcast standards project was going to get together, sing Kumbaya, and figure out what the next feature everyone was going to implement. So I'm not really disappointed in podcasting two point o. Turns out, I'm disappointed in the podcast standards project, which went blah.

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And that was the thing. We really needed that for everything to work, so it's now working in a very disjointed fashion. And I know people have said that, you know, we need one person to be the champion of two point o. I'm like, well, that that was the podcast standards project, and nobody Sam stepped up for about a week and a half to be, like, the champion of the podcast standards project and went, oh, hey. Hold on. Because it's you know, if you think it's fun hurting podcasters, try hurting podcast companies who all have way different levels of tech debt and all sorts of other stuff.

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So I have rearranged my opinion on podcasting two point o and realized that it's gonna take a while for that to keep on. Steph says, yeah. We need a better marketing campaign, and she says nobody outside of the school of podcasting talks about well, other podcasts about podcasting, but it is one of those things that it's kind of like trying to market. Well, here's the thing, and and somebody made a good point. What's in it for the listener? We talk a lot about what's in it for the podcaster, and it's one of those things where, like an iPod, we didn't know we needed our entire CD collection in our pocket until somebody gave it to us.

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But maybe this GodCaster thing where you can say, see? Lookie what you can do with this might be something where people actually hop on board. Marcus Couch says, Kumbaya sung by podcasters is always out of key. Yeah. Not much harmony there. Easier.

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But SP says, bingo. What's in it for the listener? Yeah. And so if the listener could say, go into an app and say, show me podcasts in Georgia because maybe you're looking for a local podcast or show me podcasts. And this kinda works now. There's a people tag. You know? Show me pot and this is where we get into really niche show me podcasts that are engineered by, you know, John Domingo.

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Okay. Who's gonna do that? Can we can we realistically say that?

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You know? But we do have enhanced chapters. We have transcripts.

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Podping is the one I still don't understand. If it's as easy as they say it is. And I love my friends at Libsyn, but come on. Integrate Podpings so that instead of it taking a half hour for your your published episode to show up in apps or longer.

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Podpink would get it up there in, you know, five, ten minutes, if that. And I always hear them say, you add one line of code to your, you know, whatever your your platform is. And, you know, it's one of those things of like is it really that easy so we shall see if let's see the chat room if again if you guys have questions oh let's do that Randy I'm gonna nominate you just because you're Randy Black and you're fun and you're a nerd and I'm sorry That's offensive. If you ever call Randy Black a nerd, he will correct you. He's a geek. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Randy, can you go to, askthepodcastcoach.com slash question? I wanna make sure this isn't broken.

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And I know I the only reason I pick Randy is he's done it before.

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And not that I don't I went out I went out to it, and it I got in. You got in? Okay. Yeah. I was that's true if you think about it because you wouldn't be here if it didn't work because that's how you get in every week. So Yeah. Yeah. That's fun.

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That's always fun. So let's go back to then a question. This is always a fun one. We haven't interviewed this. I haven't done it's a classic. I I need a jingle for that. Like, classic questions on ask the podcast coach. And there he is. I hear him there. So it's working. That's the good news. But I can now do this screen and saying coming to the stage is and if I remember it, if I go to this one, and then what I have to do, if I can get my Ecamm to come back up, is if I assign Randy to guest two, in theory, there he is. Randy's like, man, it's Saturday morning. You're gonna make me get on camera. But I do love the fact that your microphone now matches your background. How cool is that? It's fun. Excellent. Well, thank you for testing that. Shout out your your website, except he can't hear us. Can you hear me? Yeah. We can hear you.

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Have. I think I think I figured out the problem the last time I tried to come on. Yeah. I've got it set to use the USB chat on the Roadcaster. Yeah. But I USB chat on my list of sources. I think I found the problem. Oh, that make that makes sense. That makes sense. Oh, that's maybe what solved it. Yeah. So if anything you want to find out about me, RandallBlack.com, you can also check out my shows, bible-byteswithay,bytes,.com.

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And my music show is m2h2music.com.

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That's the Mountain Music Happy Hour. Getting ready to do episodes of both of them when this ends. So there should be episodes of both of those out later today. There you go. Randy, did you paint that?

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Did you custom paint your microphone? No. It's a don't.

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Yeah. Oh, nice. Okay.

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Alright. Rode makes several different colored, options for the for the pod mic for the the windscreen. If you bought the USB version that Dave has, and I've got one too, it comes with a black one, but you can buy one that's blue, red, pink, purple, orange, green. There's a whole bunch of them. My you know, I've got a second mic just on the other side of a monitor here because I've got you know, like Dave said, I'm a geek. I've got three monitors set up. Two of them are turned turned to portrait. One's landscape so I can control everything. But I got another mic over here. It's got a blue cover on it, and the cables are color coded so I know what's what. My son has two different PodMics, one here at my house, one at his mother's. He's got the the windscreens on them. They work great, better than the big foam ball ones I purchased previously. So yeah. But Rode has good stuff.

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I'm all in with Rode on everything. And never underestimate the power of a portrait monitor. Like, that is Oh, yeah. The there are Especially when you're editing an RSS feed. Exactly.

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Yeah. That's it. Everyone should have at least one monitor in portrait mode on their desktop. That's what I think. So good good on you from having that done. Two. One on each side. Everything's 27 inch. Everything's four k. So Yeah. Yeah. My Mac Mini loves pushing out graphics. Yeah. Nicely. Nicely done. Nicely done. Thanks so much.

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Thanks for jumping in and and making sure our feed's working. Appreciate it. Yep. No problem, guys. Thanks. Yep. You bet. You bet.

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SP said, I tried to go to the site and could not tell which microphone was which one. I had about seven microphone inputs. Well, that's convenient.

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Yeah. And then you just keep picking them and picking them and picking them. So that's always kind of fun. Interesting.

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Yeah. Because it's we get all giddy when people actually come in live. That's always so, I mean, we appreciate your your chats. We realize those are easier. We realize it's Saturday on a depending on what what coast you're on. If you're on the West Coast, it's even earlier. It's, like, seven in the morning. I'm like, I'm not getting on camera. So that's always kind of fun to do. And with that, you know what I'm gonna do? We're gonna end four minutes early because I'm looking at questions. I'm like, yeah, we can't really answer those in one hold on. Let me come back. Stephanie just asked a question about Oh, good.

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There you go. So there is excuse me. Hold on. Sorry. Still overcoming the cold. There is some content, and actually writing is a little bit better when you think about the way word is laid out. And and, you know, unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately, we still when we write, we still think of writing on a piece of paper. Yeah. Like, there is literally nothing anymore that dictates that we need to have an eight and a half by 11 sheet of paper when we're writing something. Right? And yet you go to Word, you open it up. What does it open up in? Eight and a half by eleven or a four for our friends in in Europe. Right. So but we we that's just the way our brains have been designed. I think eventually, Dave, that'll stop happening. But for now, writing that way, because we still write in that form, portrait mode is a very convenient mode to have that in. If you have a list of things, like a chat, actually, in portrait mode, if you wanna see more of the chat, you can get more content down the line of chat. My Unraid server, I have a Unraid server, and its dashboard looks better in portrait mode.

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And so just, again, going down long sometimes fits the fits the content better than widescreen does for whatever reason. So there's just some dashboard things, there's some sites that look better, there's some content. If you're if you've got a bunch of RSS feeds, if you're dealing with anything, lists of anything, portrait is a great is a great way to do it. Not hard to do. So now not all screens will do it. Some are screwed on the back and you can't change them this way. For a while for a while, they were making screens. You could pull them up and twist them this way, and then you just tell your computer, hey. See this thing in portrait mode. And and and it works out really well. I keep one on the desk in portrait mode. It's just really handy to have it there, and it works out really well. It's very common for folks to take a ultra wide, tall, ultra not tall, but, yeah, pretty tall, ultra wide. Then you could take a 24 inch monitor and move it to the side, and they match up. So you'd have widescreen and then portrait next to it. I've seen folks do two portraits side to side from their widescreens, which is kinda, I think, kinda cool.

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There's lots of things you can do that way with space and and resolution. So if you have never thought about doing a monitor in portrait, boy, you're missing out. Try it sometime and move some of your content there. It's a completely different way of looking at things. Samsung has an ARC monitor that's designed specifically, it's a wide screen. I think it's 55 inches wide.

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But the stand is specifically made to go into portrait, and it comes up, like, it's curved. So it comes up and curves up on your desk, and you can get three ten eighty p size screens in one monitor. I've always dreamed of having three of those, having nine screens out of it. Looking like looking like a, you know, a Vegas Bookie room, man. It's like My best day ever.

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It'd be my a whole wall of screens, still not enough for me. So, anyways, that's why Stephanie, portrait is is you should try it. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Marcus Couch, my old buddy, getting a monitor arm that can swivel is helpful. Yep. I'm Chris Nesse. I have one of my three monitors invert I feel like I'm missing out. I only have two monitors. I have monitor envy now. I have 11. I have 11.

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Let's just be clear on my desk. I have 11 right now. Right now?

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Hold on. Let me recount. +1, 23456789. You're kidding me.

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Actually, 12. 12 things that I can see. Yes.

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Yes. Well, like, how do you like, do you is there some sort of, like, hardware that you plug one in? Like, yeah. For sure. Yeah. I've got I have docking stations and things to make it work. Four dedicated to work. Then I have three PCs down here running. You know, I have a Mac. I've got a Windows beast. I've got a Surface that runs some of my dashboarding stuff. I've got a laptop that runs this is kind of the crypto space up here. So they're definitely divided into areas, and then the front monitor is all about podcasting. So this one here is all my podcast stuff. So, yeah, it's a little it's ridiculous. That deserves this. It really does. Everybody.

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And now Okay. Tom. He's been waiting for this. It's time for Jim to get his nerd on. 12 monitors. Yeah. Twelve twelve things to look at on my desk. Yeah. I have a problem. I have a problem. You have You can have URL problems. I have monitor problems.

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Let's just be clear. I like to see That is crazy.

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I've never heard of that. I have two over my shoulder. I'm not even counting right now. Right? So it's really 14? In the space, I could see 14 different things. Sorry. Alright.

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I did not know that. That's amazing. And I have two. I feel like I'm in the, you know, nineteen thirties back when we had two monitors. Jim, what is coming up on the averageguy.tv? So Mike Wiger joins me, longtime cohost. We spent a little time catching up with him. Talk a little bit about some technology that goes into ice fishing. It's been super cold here in Nebraska, and so he's been taking his kids out ice fishing. The sonar stuff that we have now is incredible. So you can check it out today. Homegadgetgeeks.com. Nice. Yeah.

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We're supposed to get up to 33 today, and I'm like, any like, we've literally been below freezing for, like, two weeks. It's I'm tired of it. But on the school of podcasting, here's the fun thing. I don't know. It's either gonna be newsletters. I've got about three things I've been researching, and I will, look at that today when I get done editing Ask the Podcast Coach. I will pick one, and you can go to schoolofpodcasting.com/follow. Follow the show, then you'll get it the minute it comes out. I think it's gonna be newsletters right now, but I need to double check on some other things.

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And we wanna thank Mark from podcastbranding.co and Dan from basedonatruestorypodcast.com. Wanna thank the chat room. Thanks to Metal Mayhem. And I wanna say his name is John. I I'm I'm, like, 90% sure it's John. I've worked with John in the past, but I'm like, I don't wanna say John because if I'm wrong, I'm gonna look Oh, you did. Guess what? You just did. I'm gonna look really stupid if I got it wrong. Yeah. That's right.

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Gotcha. But I'm pretty sure that's it. But that's it. So thanks to everybody for coming out. We'll be here next week with another episode of Ask the Podcast Coach.