The Shady Practices of Podomatic

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David Jackson  0:06  
Ask the podcast coach for May 5 2022. Let's get ready to park. There it is. It's that music The means Hey, it's Saturday, it's time for Ask the podcast coach, when you get your podcast questions answered live. I'm Dave Jackson from the School of podcasting.com. And joining me right over there is the one and only Jim Collison from the average guy.tv. Jim, how's it going, buddy?

Jim Collison  0:42  
Greetings, Dave, happy Saturday morning to you always great to be back on Ask the podcast because we got our first inch of rain in like six months. Everyone's out there dancing around. And it's pretty nice. So

David Jackson  0:52  
yeah, we actually have supposed to be up in the 50s today. So I'm looking forward to that. Because a I have to clean out my car. There will be no show next week because I will be in Nashville. I'm attending two different shows the spark Christian podcast conference. And then the National Religious Broadcasters. I'm actually doing 45 minutes on podcast monetization. So I'm looking forward to that. But I'll be driving back. I think Saturday night or Sunday or something next weekend. I know either way,

Jim Collison  1:24  
that's gonna take a week off, be a week off. And but

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Jim Collison  2:52  
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David Jackson  3:13  
nice and you have a true story. From what I understand about our good. We used to laugh because I would say automatic is the devil. And you'd be like Hey,

Jim Collison  3:24  
I defended Right. Like actually, they're not that bad. I started I started a home gadget geeks, which is was home tech in the day. I started home tech on automatic and they've been a good you know, they've been a decent podcast host as far as they never any problems. They've never been down. They've always done what they've said they would do. And then I got kind of, you know, couple years ago they offered Hey, join our Pro Plan for like $5 You know, subscribe, and then it'll be $120 next year, but I will tell you it's common right then they do they were fair about that. So I got suckered into it. And so last year I forgot to cancel it. Right. And so they're like they charged it and I went back and said hey, you know I don't do that so but they wouldn't refund it. So I just took it for the year and did did the thing for the year but then it canceled the I took my credit card off the right so it was gone. And yeah, I did forget to to you know, to to move this subscription service down and yes, they had sent me emails but a day after it happened. I saw it on my credit card. It's like wait a minute, how can they charge my credit card when it's when I've taken it off? Right You know, I took it off the system I said don't charge this thing anymore. So I contacted him and said hey, there's just been a misunderstanding you know please and thank you refund that and and all downgrade they're like no legally we can do this is that this was the note day. Legally we can do this. And you Oh you gotta calendar when they when they leave EAD with, we're not going to refund it. And legally we can do this, you know, they've had some Yeah. Like, you know, this isn't going well for them or this isn't, you know, this this kind of thing. And I said, So I replied back nicely. I know, I understand it's in the terms. I understand. You can do this. I've been your customer for a long time. I'm asking you to make an exception. The email I got back, we don't make exceptions. Oh, really? Okay. Well, then you're getting that I'm going to talk about you. And I'm going to talk about you a lot. Yeah. You know, in this in, listen, you and I know. I mean, they're not the most they're not there. They're on very few people's radars. There's our group, our our people here that listen to the show probably aren't using automatic, let's hope not. I just can't, I just can't recommend them anymore. It's it. I sent them a note. I said, I'm just guys, I've been a longtime customer. And if anybody asked me, Hey, I'm going to use pod Matic, what do you think I'd be like, that's fine. They've been great for me. You know, it's a great option. I can't do that anymore for you. And it makes me sad that I can't you know that I can't do this. Well,

David Jackson  6:11  
I remember, God used to be it was it was free, right? It's a free host. And then you could pay them blah, blah, blah. And so somebody would move from PodOmatic. And you would go to them and say, Hey, I need you to put in a 301 redirect because I moved to this other paid host. And they would go No. And then they're like, we only do that for our paying customers, okay? And then they would send you a link to where you can only buy a yearly subscription. And I was like, hold on, that can't be right. So I found that there was a link where you could buy, you could buy like a monthly $5 for like a month or 10 or whatever it was. And I'm like, it's worth spending $10 to bring your audience with you. But again, it was just shady, the whole thing was just like,

Jim Collison  6:56  
so yeah. Shady is the right is the right word. Yeah, you know, so I cancelled, you know, left to just a few podcasts up there recorded a 25. Second, hey, if you're hearing this, you're on automatic, and I need you to move because I'm going to kill this feed. I probably had 50 or 60. Still over there. From the old days, you know, they had subscribed there. And because I had never interrupted the service, they probably just kept downloading it right from there. I was getting decent. It's the reason I didn't leave in the first place as I was getting decent numbers, you know, probably 1000 or two every year off the service. Do you really want to, you know, for some podcasters 1000 or two would be pretty great just to have all by itself? Yeah. So I kind of was like, I don't really want to interrupt that. Well, I'm gonna interrupt it now. And so it's just, it was just a shame, Dave, they didn't have to deal with $120. Like, the guy should have been like, oh, yeah, you've been a customer for a decade. I'm gonna take care of that for you.

David Jackson  7:58  
Yeah, no, no. And that's where they're really short sighted. Because, look, it's funny because I, I worked Presidents Day, which Lipson had off. So we always have one person there to, you know, make sure the mountain of tickets doesn't get too tall. So I took President's Day off on the first purposely, because we get a number of people that have done exactly what you said. They're like, Hey, um, I'm not going to do the podcast anymore. And they go in and they think they've cancelled it, but they didn't. And they say, Hey, I just see what this charge came through. Can you refund it? We don't even ask like, Here you go. Thank you. Because we want them It sounds weird. We don't want them to leave. But we don't want to leave them with a bad taste in their mouth. Right? You know, and we always give them a reason not to come back. Yeah. It's like, Hey, if you ever change your mind, just email us and ask us don't sign up again. Just ask, tell us to reactivate your podcast because it's going to be here for at least a few months until we wipe our system. And you know, and like I had this guy this week, that we had said that to him, he went to pod bean and lasted two episodes, and turned back around. He goes, I hate to say this, he goes like, but I'm coming back. And I'm dying to hear because I asked him I was like, I said, Hey, my marketing team would kill me if I didn't ask, like, why did you leave in the first place? And you know, what made you decide to come back? And I'm dying to hear his answer. But yeah, it's, you know, same thing with them. I mean, the School of podcasting, not everybody is that, you know, I always kind of jokingly call it and say you're graduating, but there comes a time when you're like, you know, Dave, I came here, I learned to How To Start A Podcast, it's up, it's going, you know, I love the Facebook group and all but you know, especially with COVID, and people were losing their jobs. They're like, Dude, I love you. But like, you know, I need that 50 bucks for something else. And I was like, Here you go. I'm here anytime you need me. So that's sad.

Jim Collison  9:50  
It's just it's just terrible service, you know, and it's unfortunate because we had 10 good years, and then we have this one experience and you're like, unfortunately, it's the last One, and it's the most shady one. Now, to be honest, I mean, they should have done this for me last year they should, right? If they would have refunded it for me last year and taking care of it. So I already kind of had, like, you know, my eye on him, and I missed it by a day. You know, same exact thing happened I carwashes. For whatever reason, in the United States, there's, I don't know, but in your area, Dave, but brand new car washes are popping up everywhere. And you can get subscription services to car washes like Unlimited, right? It's 25 bucks or whatever. So I go into our carwash and they sell me a $35 plan for 20 bucks. And they're like, you can try it for a month and then come back. I came back on the day after again, maybe this is a problem. I came back the day after. And the guy said, I he goes, Well, technically, this has been, you know, we already charged you in and I said, I know, I said Can you Can I Can you just refund it? And he's like, Absolutely. Like, you know, in in, he knows, I mean, they're in a fight for their, for their business for everybody's business right on these things. And that was a great experience. If if I have a bad experience somewhere else, I'm gonna go back to that place. I'm going to give them a try, you know, try again. So it's just poor. I mean, it's poor thought and planning. And it's like in the scheme of things, do you really want to piss somebody off for 100 bucks? So you know, I went to my credit card company, and said, Yeah, no, that's not going to work for me. And they're like, Oh, we absolutely will take this off. So you know, they lost both ways. They lost the customer. And they lost the money. Yeah, right. No, I do that. So podcasters. Don't do that to your audience.

David Jackson  11:42  
Now, speaking of Mark, he says, he's in the chat room. He says the same way. podcasters always remember, the bad reviews, you can have a great experience with the company for years, but you grade them on the bad experience you have back in the day, like probably 30 years from from now, I used to teach a customer service class. And we talked about how, how much money it takes to get a customer. So let's say you spend for easy, let's say you spend $10 on marketing to get a customer. If they leave, you're going to spend like $100 to get them back. And if you ever get them back at all, because and that's the other thing is if there was a weird I forget the stat, but if you have a great experience, like you might tell two people, if you have a bad experience, you'll tell 10 It's it's a weird thing. It's like everybody's like it just so yeah,

Jim Collison  12:31  
well, I didn't even I didn't even say to him, you know who I am right. You know, I have a podcast. Do you know about podcasting? Right? You know, I'm gonna say this I I didn't even say that to him. You know, it wasn't wasn't like, trying to throw that around in it that to be honest, they wouldn't have cared. And this shows not big enough that it would have made that big of a difference. But I've just told the 567 100 Whatever, listen to this thing. I just told them about the bad experience.

David Jackson  12:56  
Well, and I'm gonna tell people, and they're gonna tell you Well,

Jim Collison  13:00  
I mean, you already thought it was a bad service to begin with. So like now it's now you're like, I was just.

David Jackson  13:07  
Yeah, I'm not saying I told you. So by any means. No, way you are. It's okay. I want I don't even know if they're IAB certified. I'd have to go check. Yeah, because that was my other thing is when you're saying hey, I'm getting a couple 100 people over there. I'm like, it's probably more like 60 Yeah,

Jim Collison  13:25  
yeah, yeah, yeah, no, right on right on I just didn't want to you know, I didn't want to go through the hassle of taking you know, all the steps that you got to do and it was just easier to keep it there. And you know, and those kinds of things I didn't want to banded anybody. Well, they're gonna get abandoned now. I mean, I'm gonna you know, I like to be on all those services. You know, I have I kind of subscribe to all the free ones just to keep track of what they're doing. You know, I've got something on Anchor red circle. Shout engines before they bit the dust. Yeah. But because we do a show about this, I tried to be on a mall so that I can at least talk about him see what they're doing audio, you know, audio boom, yeah, those kinds of services. Right. Um, so I find it helpful. But, you know, in this case, now, they just, it's, you know, Fool me once shame on me for me twice. Right. So I just I think it's the other way around. But the so PodOmatic goodbye.

David Jackson  14:24  
Yeah, I know. Well, shout engine was another one. Now they did say, Hey, we're going out of business. The name of the month. Yeah, they never did. redirects. Like they were they were on my my poop list for that. But they did say as we're going out of business, like we will redirect your feed I was like, well, that's kind of cool. And then somebody missed their deadline by like a day or two. And I said you can email them but they did say after this date, you know, so

Jim Collison  14:54  
and they closed hard. Like they were Yeah, day boom website gone. The It was a it was a complete, they burn that thing to the ground. Yeah, my

David Jackson  15:03  
pet dango was my favorite free media host. And they did a thing I think was the week before Christmas. And they're like, hey, starting January 1, like, we're out, we're done. So we don't know where you're going, but you can't stay here. It's like,

Jim Collison  15:20  
yeah, which is like every Saturday night with the kids at my house. I don't know where you're going with it not gonna be here.

David Jackson  15:27  
Well, and that is something that too, that I'm seeing that people kind of go hmm, is they're not keeping a local copy of their stuff. You don't have to keep everything. But if nothing else, keep the finished mp3 file. Because I've had people that are like, hey, like, how do I download all of my files on Lipson and they're looking for a one click Download All button. And that doesn't exist. It's not hard, you can go to like your, your Libsyn podcast page, you just click download on all the players and blah, blah, blah, but it is still one at a time. And I'm just amazed at how many people don't keep a copy and then throw it in Dropbox or Yeah, media fire or whatever. So

Jim Collison  16:09  
yeah, you should I mean, just from a backup perspective, right, let's just let's just cover this, again, as we think about what you're what you should have, you should have one copy. Local, right? Ideally, you want three copies. So a local copy that you're working on, you could have a local copy that's separate in a backup on, let that's local, you could do that as well, that's a good idea. That's different, that's not taking the original file and moving it to a USB drive and saying, Okay, it's backed up, now you need to have in two places to ideally, that second place would be off site somewhere, a lot of guys do that, where they, they, they'll put a piece of equipment somewhere and move it there. And then, of course, one in the cloud write one somewhere off of yours. And so having three copies of it somewhere three separate copies is ideal. And then I actually like this idea of a working copy, that's fourth. So you've got your kind of hyper local, like, right there on your desktop, or something close to the ones you're working on right now. So you're not always having to move them around your network. But it's a good idea, you should count. And if you have less than three, you probably kind of want to come up with a third way to to or even a second way for some people to make sure you're getting those things backed up.

David Jackson  17:23  
Yeah, the big thing that a lot of people don't realize is if I have a copy on my computer, and then I buy a USB drive, right, so I've got this one here, and I load all my files on my external USB drive, when your house catches on fire, you've now lost two copies of your your show, you got to have one somewhere off site. So that's where the, the cloud kind of comes in handy, and then you hope they don't catch on fire. Well,

Jim Collison  17:51  
and ideally, it's probably a good idea to have two off Site Backups, because you're gonna, you're gonna keep it at one place, like I keep mine Backblaze. Like, that's kind of my cold storage, super cheap. Like, it's there, but I'll pay to get it back. Like, if you it's super cheap to keep it there and storage. But if I need to re reinstall everything all pay, that's not something I want to do on a regular basis. Right? That is fire burned down last resort kind of thing. I'd like another someplace else that I can get to them if I need to just like oh, yeah, no, I need to provide that kind of thing, whatever, that that still may be cloud based. So having to cloud based backups, probably not a bad idea. Just kind of think through this and disaster scenarios.

David Jackson  18:37  
And I can I can tell you this, unfortunately, from a personal standpoint, pick pick either one or, or one folder. Because I have a bunch of old I mean, I have like 30 shows that I don't do anymore, but I save them somewhere. And I know they're either in Dropbox, or they're in Microsoft OneDrive. And I have some in both and it's like nananana know, that you will drive yourself nuts because you know, I know it's here, I haven't deleted any of that stuff. And it's not hard to go to the website and do a search and then you hope you hit the right keyword or whatever. But you know, for me, I needed to I could I finally created a folder just called Old Stuff I should delete and, and it's just all these old shows. It's like, I should just rename it like sentimental stuff that I'm holding on to or whatever. And it's all these old shows and old speaking stuff. But I finally made one folder. So that if I'm looking for stuff like that, which I don't look for rarely, but at least I now know where it is. But for a while I had it kind of scattered again on different things I was paying for and I was like I need to organize this stuff. So it's great. You don't

Jim Collison  19:45  
if you're a new podcast, or you don't need a lot, you know, I know if you're if you've gone to anchor you've gone because you don't want to pay for anything forever. And so you're probably not going to pay for backup, right? That's the thing we're talking here if you're if you're cheeping out on your hostplus are, you know backup is the last thing on your mind of paying for to make sure you keep your files. But there are some fairly inexpensive options as far as you know, if you're in if you just keep an audio, it doesn't take a lot like you don't have to buy a lot. Most people don't realize they probably have access to an office, you know, an Office subscription office 365 subscription, they always keep changing the name on that. So it could be something different, but office 365 And then they'll have up to a terabyte, that wouldn't be a bad option. You might have a subscription with Google and so that you've purchased in some form or fashion where you've got some storage I think I I think I bought like 100 Giga storage for like two bucks a month for some for my for a phone thing or for something, right. So apples the same way you can buy some some storage for them. Just make sure you're doing something. There's some fairly storage is pretty inexpensive at this point.

David Jackson  20:53  
Yeah, I've, I've shared this before. And luckily, I don't get it too often. But there's nothing worse than getting the email from the widow that like I just want to hear his voice like, do you guys have the files and you go, and you look up their accounting like, oh, they could podcasting in 92. And he like, Come on, daddy needs a new pair. We don't have it anymore. It's like, Ah, so that's all Yeah. So yeah, well,

Jim Collison  21:16  
in that in that kind of case, too. It's probably if they're not there probably it's gone. They the podcast or had it somewhere, but it's locked behind me. That's the that listen, that's the other thing. I don't know why you were talking about this today. But we are. That's the other thing. Make sure you've got some kind of like, if you're if you have all these cloud accounts and your podcast stuff, make sure somebody else knows how to get into them. It's in your demand. Yes. Right, buddy.

David Jackson  21:41  
I still have not done that. I've talked about it on probably three different episodes. And Gordon fire Mark said he and his wife, there's actually a book called something. It's kind of somewhat snarky, like, now that I'm dead kind of thing. And you you put in all that information. And it's what I say I'll do it tomorrow. And it's like, yeah, well, what if tomorrow doesn't happen? So I need to, I need to get in on that. So

Jim Collison  22:07  
it's, it's maybe you should find like a trusted co host that shows up every Saturday morning to hang out with you that's got one password in an envelope. That's, you know, it's that I that I put away somewhere that because listen, I mean, the chances of that happening is pretty small. So you, you need to you need to have something kind of figured out so like is Dave, you're right, you are in a situation where if something was to happen to you, you don't it's not like you don't have a lot of supporting Cast and characters behind you that are gonna go, oh, yeah, I know how to do this podcasting thing, or I know how to retrieve these files or I know how to get this you know, shut some of those kinds of things. Awesome.

David Jackson  22:43  
Randy Cantrell from down there in Dallas Fort Worth, Texas, yellow studio. I have a dropbox folder shared with my wife entitled when I die. It's got a list of everything she'll need, including contact info to both of us. There you go. Excellent. So

Jim Collison  23:00  
yeah, it's good way to it's a good way to do it. LastPass has a service that you can buy their subscription service that, that you can designate someone and they request access and you don't deny it. It gives them access after certain time. You know, it's like a deadman switch. Yeah, literally a deadman switch. Right. And then they can get they can get access to your stuff.

David Jackson  23:22  
Yeah. KIM craggy says I've been cleaning out my dad's computer. Awesome. I've been throwing away five and a half this. I can't imagine what's going on. We keep them in a place. That's acceptable. Man. Can you imagine trying to find a drive? I'm sure you could get one a goodwill that would read that though. I mean, it's like,

Jim Collison  23:39  
you can't find them anywhere anymore. No, I it would be tough. Yeah, five and a quarter. Three and a half. Yes. It's fine quarter. Yeah, I don't those are really

David Jackson  23:49  
museum that's where you find

Jim Collison  23:51  
old hard drives, you know? Like, imagine if you had backed up stuff on a ZIP disk. Remember those? I have

David Jackson  23:57  
those and I have an actual ZIP disk driver in a box downstairs. Because it had 100 Meg's 100 Meg's oh my gosh, will never fill that. Yeah. That's so funny. This is

Jim Collison  24:09  
gonna click of death. You put that thing in? Click ticular odd. It's never Yeah. Yeah, you've that. And that's so true. You know, it's although what's false about that as vinyl came back? We never thought we'd see my again. Yeah, let's come back. Right. But in most cases, these form of media's a DVD, eight years is about the life expectancy, much shorter if they're in sunlight. So if you've if your DVDs are out in the sunlight, or they're exposed to UV light, they'll break down even faster. So chances are CDs or DVDs. If you backed up for a while, people were backing stuff up to those things. writable DVD, yeah, they even have less the writable ones even have less than the non writable ones. So you just got to if kind of thought, Oh, well, I was storing it on this and you should probably test that every once in a while and move Something new. Because you're like, oh, this old hard drive that I set aside. Yeah. You don't have that Seta connection anymore or you don't. Yeah, that ID that would be more appropriate. You don't have that Id connection anymore.

David Jackson  25:13  
Yeah. Daniel says, hi. I need a five and a half drive to connect to my USB C drive on her C port on my iPad. Yeah, that's not gonna work. That's that's

Jim Collison  25:24  
sorry. That would be great. Yeah. Great. Nice to have.

David Jackson  25:28  
Randy also says I have a Google account set up with inactive account manager to forge my wife's email did on social profiles. So yeah, he's all set. So Randy, are you feeling okay, that's

Jim Collison  25:41  
what you're not worried about? Yeah, exactly. Thinking about death a little too much. It's crazy. It's good. It's good to have those to kind of think through that. You know, is there anything? Cryptocurrency would be a perfect example for me as I've in the last couple years, you know, I've gotten some crypto that's locked inside some things that my wife would have no idea how to get to not even close. Yeah, so some of my friends may even struggle to get to that. So,

David Jackson  26:08  
you know, you gotta have your list of words. And yes, you're gonna have to have a, you have to have a separate page of instructions on

Jim Collison  26:17  
proud of you. Yeah, you you know that. You're going to be my backup instructions.

David Jackson  26:23  
Dear Honey, do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around, then you will get my crypto. Yeah, that's about it. If it's

Jim Collison  26:29  
crypto contact Dave Jackson. He knows he knows.

David Jackson  26:34  
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Jim Collison  28:03  
So I think I think I need some more coffee. Let's see if we can get the Yeah. There we go. So satisfying.

David Jackson  28:12  
Yeah. Yes, I've heard about this guy. Big Blue says there's a guy in the UK who threw away part of a laptop. All you remember that he had a cryptocurrency on that laptop, and it turned out to be something like 250,000 pounds.

Jim Collison  28:25  
I am sure that story has been replicated dozens or hundreds of times from casino there was this period where crypto had its peak. And then Bitcoin in particular had its peak, and then it dipped, and everybody was like this is garbage. And I hear from people all the time, like, oh, man, I had, you know, I have 15 Bitcoin on a hard drive that I can't get access to anymore. And you're like, yeah, that's worth a lot of money right now.

David Jackson  28:47  
Yeah, it's like, you're gonna kind of wish you hadn't done that in a bit. And that's really it. I mean, I'm in my presentation for NRB. I talk about the, you know, the seven different ways you can make money with your podcast. And when I get to crypto, it's kind of interesting, because I'm explaining, like, I always feel weird because I do these things. It's like, hey, let's make money with your podcast, and then explain how it's kind of like, I don't know, not easy, and that you actually need an audience and things like that. And so I'm going to actually share my screen. Here we go. And so what's interesting as I show in the presentation, like for affiliate stuff, because I've matched a great product to a great audience. Now granted, only about 3% of those people are going to click on that link. But 50% of the people that click on that affiliate link, buy it, but I'm making $2 Every time they do that. And so with Bitcoin with the whole crypto thing, you know, they have these new apps that you can use, and there we go. And so this is a screenshot of fountain@fountain.fm and you can actually see how many SATs you've given people now as the Toshi just to give you a glimpse of how actual small it is. It is point 0004 cents point 0004 cents. So when I give Adam curry 25,000 SATs for the no agenda show, that comes out to about 11 bucks. But I thought about that if I could get 3% of my audience to give me 11 bucks. That's a heck of a lot better than the $2 I got from the affiliate sale. And so and the other thing is, I am somewhat thrifty. I'm not streaming a ton of sets per minute. And I've seen working at Lipson and supporting glow. I've seen people they're like, Hey, we're supporting the whatever Tony and Tina show. And we're giving them already $20 a month, how do we up our membership site? And so I remember Adam one time said, never put a limit on how much your audience can support you. And that's when I had somebody do that. They're like, we want to give them more. I was like, huh, like maybe there's something to that. So I think that's one of the biggest difference, you can find this show is actually able to if you want to stream Satoshis to us, I've set the show up to dive in mention that on this. And that's one of the problems you have to let your audience know to go to new podcast apps.com. And in sign up in, but to me, that's the one that has, like when I look at all the different ways I'm like, huh, because like, if you give me $11 Today, I have no idea how much that's gonna be worth in 10 years. Like it could be, you know, 11 cents? Could be 11,000. We don't know. So that's the tricky part about it. But it was. It's it. That's an interesting app I've been it's it's funny, because I've always said you will pry you know, overcast from my cold, dead hands. Unless there's an app that does something that overcast doesn't Well, Marco has said he is not doing the streaming, crypto thing and overcast. And these are shows that I listened to you can see there was no agenda. There's the new media show podcast, pontifications, pod land, a podcast junkies, all the all these podcasts about podcasting started doing that. And I still need to do an episode of leading the bleeding to explain what's in it for the listener. And Jim, have you ever been in a theater? Right? You're watching a movie, the movie gets done. And people applaud. Right, isn't he? Because you think about it. The people that you're applauding are nowhere near you. Right? But yet, you're like, that was my awesome, right? Well, if you go to I've gone to comedy clubs, we're at the end of the night, things like, Hey, thank you good night, and people applaud. And then other people will actually stand up. Like some people want to do more than like, some people just get up and leave because they want to get to their car and beat the parking. Some people are sitting there applauding and going, Man, that was really funny. Did you see that? And then other people will stand up. So if somebody wants to stand up and give you money, why not set yourself up for

Jim Collison  33:04  
that? So yeah, always have always always have ways to let them do that. Regardless of of, you know how they want to do it. Don't say Oh, I don't I don't want to support that. You know, this is it's funny. I'm a crypto guy but I have not done any crypto in the podcasting stuff that I do not against it. I just haven't sat down to figure it out. I you know, Bitcoin Mark was saying in the chat that you know, it's all it's all you know, sipping find that this crypto stuff is all you know Greek really think of crypto just as another form of currency right? If you think like when you buy points, like it's your favorite pizza place when you order and they give you a points right you can turn those points into many credit cards have this you can turn those points into cash. They don't while they're points that don't really mean anything and not really worth anything until you convert them to something that you can spend and we still can't spend cryptocurrency in most places, you have to convert those into Fiat right and to into dollars or whatever currency that that you use in your in your local region. So So Mark, if you just think of it, it is a way though. I mean, crypto, especially Bitcoin and a lot of the other ones to Aetherium are ways for us to transact those points across different kinds of currency. So David, you think I think crypto is a perfect example of in a global audience if they want to give you money today, if someone in little just say Croatia wants to give you money, it's difficult. If they do it through cryptocurrency they've on boarded their own Fiat their own cash into the app and converted it to Bitcoin. Now that's universal. So now they can easily transfer that value to you. And you can take that value and turn it back into dollars or whatever there may be a day when bitcoin is more spendable than it is today. It's getting easier and it's getting better but so it's really just kind of a point if Mark if you kind of think of it as just kind of a point system. It does have value behind it and some of those kinds of things but carry some universal the ability to transfer that from me to, for me to you or Croatia to the United States and not have all this all this money, you know the money system problems that that is inherited in that system.

David Jackson  35:16  
And Miss Eileen is saying, can you show what it looks like when somebody gives you SATs? Well, what I'm not doing is you can set up a thing called an Umbral, which is a kind of type of operating system, you can set up a server, and it'll show you and blah, blah, blah, and I heard Adam curry say, because he set up this little server thing and you know, it goes pew pew when he gets a donation and he's mentioned twice on the show, he's like, Well, you know, sometimes the Umbro will take a crap and I was like, that's enough for me to go, I'm not going I leading the bleeding is one thing, leading something that takes a crap every now and then I'm like, I'm not going that route. So I have a

Jim Collison  35:55  
node, right? They call it a node. Yeah, he's, he's got a Raspberry Pi or something.

David Jackson  36:00  
That's it. I was gonna go that route, because it looks really easy to set up. But when he said, yeah, sometimes the Ember will take a crap. I was like, No, I don't want to get involved with something that occasionally takes a crap. But I'm in. Oh, crap, I forget the name of the software. I'm in telegram. And so if I go into telegram that's the way I use this, I use this whole Satoshi stream system. And so when I press the, I guess that's a forward slash, I can see these different things like there's list, withdraw, claim, all these things you can use. So I believe if I go slash list, in Telegram, it will now spit out. Yes. Okay. So as the podcast who who knew this, I have 14,920 Satoshis. The podcast radio show has zero. Podcasting resources has zero, that's not even a real show. Leading the bleeding, has 12,455 SATs, the School of podcasting is on a different system. But if I wanted to, I could then withdraw that to you know, whatever, like Jim was saying you transfer to and Fiat is a fun word. That just means like real, like regular money. If you go to leading the bleeding.com/video I've got a video there on how to set your show up to receive Satoshis and then a nother video on how the heck do I get my money out. So it's a, it's again, it's hence the name leading the bleeding. It's it's not for everybody. And if your audience like if I was doing a show about crypto, it would be insane not to have your show set up to do this. So if you're doing something that's kind of techie, if your audience is kind of nerdy, and they're into crypto, but just saying the word crypto, I just expect half my audience to roll their eyes and get up and leave. Because I I mean, there's a meat there's an audio meme of me that gets keeps getting played in different podcasts of me going I don't know anything about crypto, because I kind of still kind of don't, I've gone through a couple different things I now sniffing NF Ts, and I don't, I don't get them at all. I just had somebody that's setting up an NF T service. They're like, you want to be a guinea pig and I'm like all play but there is I heard somebody replied to NF TS as nothing's effing there. And I was like, it's kind of what it sounds like. It's like, hey, this thing so I that's that's a new one. I'm like, let me get a grasp on crypto before I go.

Jim Collison  38:30  
In. So I mean, NF T's are just the natural conclusion to this to cryptocurrency. In other words, the ability to be the ability to tag some digital content that has value. That's really all it is. In we've made a big deal about it, you know, because people are paying big amounts of money for the rights to have this digital bit, so to speak, that's unique to them. And because the blockchain is unique to them, there's only one of those kinds of things that exists. But it's been really hard for people to get their, their arms around that concept. Because you're like, wait a minute, I just spent $100 For nothing. Well, no, you spend $100 for a pixel or whatever it is, whatever happens to be in the NFT world that exists on this blockchain is and is unique from that standpoint, right? It's it's a unique moment. It's verifiable, right? But that's we live in a very physical world and a lot of people still are like, you know, it's like, it'd be like if you went into to the store in and I bought up you know, I used to have to do this. I'd have to reserve a bottle of blends. It's really hard. It's a bourbon that's really hard to get and I have to reserve it and I might put some money down on that reservation. That reservation is nothing there's no physical. I don't own anything yet. Right? I just don't reservation and it's just a digital it saying hey, I when that bottle Blanton's comes it belongs to Mi same NF T is the same kind of deal. There's just been a lot of shenanigans like, just be careful with NF T's there's been a lot of shenanigans and there's gonna be a whole bunch more. Just Just be cautious was a caveat emptor. Right? Just be very, very buyer beware, going into this kind of thing, know what you're doing before you're jumping in.

David Jackson  40:19  
When you say, Caveat emptor. That sounds like some sort of character in Star Wars.

Jim Collison  40:26  
It does. It's the guy in the cantina band,

David Jackson  40:30  
it's like, you have to be careful of caveat emptor, he will come and take your NFT and buyer beware to the head,

Jim Collison  40:38  
you don't understand it? Listen, I don't I don't think it's hard to understand. It's just these systems are still in the early processes of being really kind of worked out. So you're for the average guy getting into this all the massive, you know, we think about Bitcoin and a couple, you know, six, seven years ago, it was $200. And now it's $40,000. Right? Five or six years ago, you didn't even know what the word Bitcoin was. You weren't an early adopter to this thing. We kind of knew it was out there and people made fun of it. Right? Bitcoin nerd? Well, he's making fun of who now Right? Yeah. So you know, chances are, if you're waiting for it to go mainstream, you're not going to you're not going to get any the benefits of the value. So yeah,

David Jackson  41:21  
Mark says I'll stick to donations through PayPal and Patreon. I understand how they work.

Jim Collison  41:26  
Yeah, but even remember, when Patreon came out, people were like, you're doing what? Yeah. How's this working? Well, you know, Todd, Robert,

David Jackson  41:34  
talking about this how, you know, Apple having subscriptions. Spotify having subscriptions, that is so not new. There were plugins. years ago, there were people were using to make premium pot it was you had to be a nerd to kind of figure it out. And you had to manage passwords and things like that. But that is something that's been around for a long time. So it's even now. I have yet to see it. I I did play with Lipson studio a little bit, but there's a new service out called spooler. From what I understand, Dan Benjamin is one of the guys and a bunch of big shot smarty pants that you that I've heard of, but don't know kind of people. And what it sounds like is you have a bunch of blocks that then get stitched together. And I go oh, kind of like Giga Vox back in 2006. It's like it's all all been there. And that's really what Libsyn studio is. I actually want to replay because last week, Chris Nessie asked, Hey, what format is the audio in? It's 128 stereo? And then do they offer 301 redirects? And yes, they do. Because behind the scenes, it's actually using Lipson five. So is what's going to that but this is what Lipson studio is, it's if you want to check it out, Lipson studio.com, it's free. And I made an episode, just to play with it. And if I go in here, what you do is you basically go in, here's this one episode, and you kind of just go in and say, Okay, here's the name of the Did I spell it wrong, it did spell there's a little hula, but you can put your episode number and in your description, and then you plan your episode. And so you've given it a name and then they have these built in chapters. So like right now on the screen it says intro opener main character, main character main chapter call to action, closer outro you can move these around, you can delete them, you can add your own. And you basically just come over here and record whatever it is so on the intro, this is something I recorded before and if I click a button here I think I'll be interested to see if I can I cannot I cannot turn off maybe I can turn off the mix of minus here. So you guys can hear this survey said Yeah, so Jim if you get but what's interesting is you can actually have it mix music so

David Jackson  44:06  
welcome to the podcast trailer show where we help you find your next favorite podcast. This show is brought to you by the School of podcasting COMM And Adri dot i o and that's basically that section and then you go to the next thing and the next thing the next thing and eventually you can stitch these all together you can see where it says assemble episode but here is I don't know if there's a fast forward on this I don't really want to listen to me do the intro again. Apparently come to the podcast trailer show where we help you find your next favorite podcast. This show is brought to you by the School of podcasting COMM And Adri dot i Oh and, of course maybe this podcast is public by your friends at Libsyn studio where we get your voice heard everywhere, thinking about starting a podcast, do it today for free at Lipson studio.com. Now it's really cool that that's my voice. But you're gonna hear my voice on every single Lipson studio pod and bring your podcast to life. And then the next to the podcast trailer Show. I'm your host, Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting comm. Today, we're starting things off with something a little spooky, it's the big seance podcast, you can find them at Big seance.com. And of course, we'll have a link out at podcast trailer show.com And then the trailer. So you get the idea. It just plays by in it stitches them all together, and that whole nine yards. And then at the end, it has, I think another plug for at the end. It's like this podcast was made to you by Libsyn. Studio. So that seems to be something that's, you know, I haven't seen spooler yet. But the, when somebody described it, they go, Oh, you just upload a bunch of chunks and put them together. And I was like, Oh, so you know, that's free right now, I'll be interested to see that's also in beta. I should mention that. So it's not set in stone exactly how that's gonna work. But it's, it's an easy way to record. I have yet to try that on a phone yet, though. Because to me, if this was going to be kind of a, an anchor, true competitor would have to work on a phone. So. So that answers those questions. Mark says he's got a new question. Can you show us how to slow down the music like you use at the end? Ah, I can't. The reason for that is I did that in Adobe Audition. And I don't have Adobe Audition on this machine right now. Otherwise, I would I forget the effect. But you basically highlight it. And I can't remember what the effect was called. But you highlight the section you want to slow down, you pick the effect, and then you do choose how much of a change you want to do. It's not pitch. It's it might be speed or something like that. But what he's talking about is at the end, it's like, go tell some more. Oh, and I did that in Adobe Audition. So that's the only thing I definitely have that effect. I don't think so. I remember, I found it in echoing again. Oh, thank you. There we go. And so it's uh, but that's, I don't use Adobe Audition. In fact, I'm, I'm in the process of kind of revamping the school of podcasting. And, you know, people use Audacity, I'm finding a few more students that have used audition. And they're moving to Hindenburg, because audition does have cool features like that. But I've used that once in 17 years. You know what I mean? It's in, like, audition has the ability, if I wanted to have a sound effect, where the plane flew from the left headphone, to the right, I could do that in Adobe Audition. I can't do that. In Hindenburg. I might be able to do that in Audacity. But yeah, I did that in Audition. I forget. I wish I remember what the name of it was, but I don't really use audition. And it's kind of funny because I love the

David Jackson  48:19  
Oh, multiband compressor. And you turn that on and choose broadcasting. And you just sound like it's like butter for your ears. So I could actually sound a little better if I used audition. I just for me Hindenburg is so easy. And that whole nine yards. And Kim makes a great point. Dave is always updating the school. But yeah, it's I've been making much greater strides because it dawned on me that I want to do that before the end of 2021. And it is now March 2022. And I was like, I need to get off my button and do these. So I've been doing I just did a video. Go ahead and go ahead. No, I just did a video on squad cast. Because I dawned on me I went into like how to record a remote interview and there was a ton of stuff in there about Skype. And I was like, wow, there's no squad cast tutorial. And then I made one for I there was one for zoom, but it was kind of outdated. So because there are things you can do in zoom, you can turn on the original audio, you can tell it to not remove sound from the background because that kind of makes you sound squirrely. And you can turn off there's a setting for music. So you can so basically when you turn that on some of the things it's doing to kind of fix your audio because it's assuming you're talking into a laptop microphone to on a business meeting. It makes it better it's still not going to be as good as squad cast or any of those tools. But it does make the audio in zoom sound a little more clear. So I made a tutorial on that and the thing that kills me is I have to redo it, because I explained how not to turn on echo cancellation Because again, that can kind of have a negative effect on your audio. And you only needed if people aren't wearing headphones. And I just explained to always have people wear headphones. And in the video, I, in the process of of talking about it, I click it. And so I just say, so be sure this is off. And then I leave that screen with it checked. And I was like, I can just hear the emails going. Dave, you said to not check it, but in the video you did. And I was like, and I'm like, I'm watching it back like, oh, you idiot. So that's always fun. So

Jim Collison  50:33  
change tempo, I think is what you're looking for that density? Oh, that might be a can do an audacity to probably the same? It's probably the same thing. In addition, similar.

David Jackson  50:44  
Yeah. And you just select a section was the

Jim Collison  50:47  
highlight it change tempo, it'll say what do you want to change, you take it from infinity to zero or whatever, whatever. Yes. And then I mentioned we were the thing of both the ability to change it without changing the pitch, right. So in your case, you're changing the pitch to get that that effect of the record player slow ring, you're changing the pitch, you can change speed. And that will and that will not affect the pitch. So the pitch won't change, but it'll slow down the audio there.

David Jackson  51:16  
There's options. Yeah, there's a cool feature in Hindenburg that lets you change the duration. So if you have like a 32nd, commercial, you find the perfect music, and it's like 32 seconds, you can think it's shift, and then you drag the arrow or something like that. But you can actually do that. And if you're not stretching it too much, it doesn't sound like and now you because you can do that with a voice too. If you have somebody who talks really, really fast, you want to slow down what they're saying, cuz you can understand what they're saying. You can actually go in and stretch them out a bit. But there's definitely limiting returns when you when you start to stretch it too much. It starts to sound wonky? Well,

Jim Collison  51:54  
yeah, and that'd be the perfect example of slowing someone down without affecting their pitch, right, because you don't want all of a sudden, you know, because they're going slower, their pitch is gonna drop, you want to keep the pitch the same, you just want to stretch it out a little bit. So you have both options there.

David Jackson  52:09  
Yeah, that is the best feature ever for musicians. Because now I don't have to I used to be in the, in the past, if I wanted to slow something down, I had to retune my guitar to match the slow down thing. And now you can just go in I was like, ah, these kids in a day. And they're tools. They didn't even have to put the needle on the record each. So that's always fun.

Jim Collison  52:28  
I thought you were going the auto tune route on that one? Well, yeah,

David Jackson  52:30  
you don't have to sing either. I mean, that's the old Britney Spears joke. What did the engineers say to Britney Spears? That was awful. Get in here because they can fix it later. On auto tune,

Jim Collison  52:43  
there's that one video of the of the before the days of auto tune where the you know, there's the performer is in it singing and what you're hearing this perfect pitch. And the engineer is just twisting and turning and spinning and moving to make it sound that way. And then they circle around into the booth and you hear what it actually sounds like and it's somebody just wailing, basically get the deal. And that song gets done in the engineers like, Well, today, you can just auto just run that most of it. You can't make garbage, right. But a lot of folks, you just run that through auto

David Jackson  53:19  
tune. One of the things I love is the there's these YouTube videos, I always wonder how they got the original recording. But they'll be somebody that like the one is this Ken Tamplin Vocal Academy. And Ken is amazing. Like he can sing so high that only dogs can hear. And he has this whole teaching thing. And he somehow got the master recordings of Boston. And so it's the guy in Boston could really sing. And what's weird is all those harmony vocals and stuff like that. And he isolated the one what was interesting about it is it wasn't a lot, but it definitely was flat. The guy was hitting a slightly wrong note. And it was just one of those. He's like, You know what, you know, people want things to be perfect. And he goes granted, while this guy's hitting this note that guitar solos like already grabbing your attention and things like that. He goes, but that's flat. He goes, he goes so kudos to this guy. Because you know, this was an auto tune. It's not that he hit a lower note and they sped it up or whatever. And I just thought that was interesting. I was like, because now I can't unhear it when I hear the song. I was like, yeah, there's that flat note again. Yeah, so, but I'm thinking

Jim Collison  54:33  
that stop it. Yeah. I had a I had

David Jackson  54:37  
a question. Let me see. Make sure there's nothing. What are your thoughts on arms? Because it's interesting. I'm putting out an episode this week. And this guy is definitely he's on the he's on Team people say um, and I get that. But he was saying, well, I'll just stop there. What so what are your thoughts on on? Do you like when you do an interview? Do you go back and read Remove them, or

Jim Collison  55:02  
only if I'm there. Uh, only if I only if I'm asked to not generally know, most people don't say it as much as you think they do until you're looking for it, then once you start listening for it, they're like, oh, this person said, Well, that, actually we all say it a lot. It's part of the if you're, if you're just recording conversation, you're gonna pick up a lot of them. We don't put them in our transcripts. So when we go through, we take that we take those out, so we don't include those in our transcripts. But I don't I don't generally edit them out of the audio. Because I don't think most people do it enough that it really matters.

David Jackson  55:42  
That's it. To me, that's when I really do is if I have somebody who's just an a machine. Now, do you listen back to your episode? Or if you're like when you're done, and you're like, Okay, we're done. Nothing caught on fire, we're good to go? Or do you actually go back and edit it in any way? Or?

Jim Collison  56:00  
Well, depends on so at work, I have an editor that does it for me. But I'll go back and re listen to those. Yeah, go back and listen to him to see how I did. Like, can I improve on that? How did that sound? Those kinds of things, I go back and listen to us, from time to time to see what was like, and yeah. And, you know, I like to give it I tell people, when they're like when I have a monitor guest I say don't go back and listen to it today. There's something about sleeping on it. It's the same effect that you get when you've written a paper and you go overnight, and you come back to the paper the next day. And all of a sudden, you see all the errors. You couldn't see him the day before for some reason. But you see him the next day, our brains do some things overnight, I think they reset and they move some memory stuff around. And there's some things going on our brain, I think the same effect holds true to go back and listen to your audio. If you record something, give it 24 hours or the next day, sleep on it, then come back and listen to it again. I think you hear it a little bit differently. It's better than you think. But you hear more of the errors. And it's just, it gives you kind of a clean, you know, like a clean way to come back. I tell people all the time, I'll have a guest on and I'm like, Hey, I'm gonna send you the link to the live but don't listen to it till tomorrow. Like really? Like, yeah, they're like, why and like, I don't know, just don't just don't do it. Because they told you to. It's just better, you'll trust me, it'll be better if you if you just wait till the next

David Jackson  57:25  
day. Well, it's funny because I, I'm listening back to this interview. And as I listen, if I hear a what I call a low hanging, um, so low hanging, um, is when somebody goes to start a sentence and they go, um, the next sentence starts like this, I will remove that, oh, if I hear it, because it's literally like removing. If you're in Microsoft Word, you highlight the word and press Delete. So if I see that I will remove it. That's how I do but I always I have a weird thing. When I edit, I mark the beginning of the question and the end of the answer. And then look at that and go does that bring? Like does that help? And the other thing I'm going to talk about this in my next episode, I finally found a good one of me. Like just butchering the question. And I'm like, so because I asked him I go, because we're talking about teasing, like a good tease. And I said, because sometimes I do this and blah, blah, blah, but he didn't give me a background background background? Or is there any kind of formula do a good tease? And I was like, You know what, all we really need is, is there a good formula to a good tease? I'm like, we don't need all this stuff. And why I'm asking you this question. I was like, that's the kind of stuff that I A lot of times will remove. But I was just wondering, because he for some reason, thought I was letting all the arms come through. And I'm like, actually, no, I'm kind of more of a, because I listen to the whole thing. And if I hear it, and it's low hanging, I remove it. But it was funny, because he said, um, I removed it. And he said, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, Oh, I just said, because I don't know if you're going to leave that internet and I had to remove that. So I had to actually go and put it back. So

Jim Collison  58:59  
yeah, it's it's six to one half a dozen to the other. One of the things. So yesterday I was on a conference or I was on a call zoom call with some folks who are deaf. And so we had an interpreter. We've been doing some work thinking about how we integrate ASL into Clifton Strengths and some of the some of the work that needs to be done there. So we're having some early meetings on it. So as I'm watching this interpreter, interpret me. I realize, actually I speak English terrible sentence sentences. I'm all over the place. I mean, we don't you know, we definitely don't speak like we write in and so I'm watching this interpreter go through all these these gyrations of interpreting me. Like, man, I'm a terrible speaker. I am awful. In this context, I felt I got off the call. I felt really bad. I just think what if I do this for a living? I am awful. So those kinds of things can sometimes bring to light you especially if you're editing if you go back and edit yourself. And you're like, Oh, God, I am terrible. Well, yeah, you are. But you're also hyper hyper critical of yourself. Yeah. So relax a little bit. You're not as bad as you think you are. But you're probably worse than you should be. So there's always room for improvement. You can always get better at this. There's always room you know, you should you should be listening to yourself. If you're not, you probably get some room for I know, it's hard to get past it. Listen to yourself and go, Yeah, I can get better at that.

David Jackson  1:00:34  
Yeah, that's something that I do. I try to, especially now if you have like an old catalogue, go back and listen to something you did a year ago. That's, that's a weird because I don't think my voice changes. And I'm definitely my voice is deeper now, which I by the time I'm 80, I'm gonna sound like James Earl Jones will be like, Whoa,

Jim Collison  1:00:55  
just more relaxed. This is the thing when we first start podcasting, we we tense up during those recording sessions, and so that, that stress naturally makes our pitch higher. Well, you get more comfortable with this and you settle in and you smoke a few packs of cigarettes or whatever, and then you start recording. And it just, it just drops it naturally. I think everybody I've ever I've ever edited I've ever worked with I've ever talked to I've ever listened to their older stuff is always higher pitched because I think they're, they're a little more. And I think there is some natural as we get older, I think are the vocal cords get a little bit looser.

David Jackson  1:01:33  
Well, I walked in. I was listening to I'll walk into my kitchen and I'll have the woman in the tube start playing Howard Stern. And he was talking to some woman. And she's talking about a line of candles that she's coming out with and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, Who was he talking to? Like, this is kind of a weird interview. And she's going on and on and butter die and stuff like that. Turns out it's Courtney Cox from friends. And I was like, That's Monica. I was like, okay, her voice has changed since the days. Her face. Yeah, well, but she I guess she has a new show out, you know, so she's out promoting it, but I was just it's weird when you're, I guess you know, Doug. Dave, you're used to seeing her on TV. Yeah. So the voice matches the face. And yeah, I just was like, wow, that's Courtney Cox. Okay. Yeah. Kim says I've gotten better at not saying and, yeah, and, and that was one of my, and you just have to get used to she said that, or I'm getting better editing it. I missed the days of descript when it first came out. And it had that removed filler words, because the list of filler words was not that long. And you could actually I did it a couple of times. I'm like, Hey, remove all the filler words. And it's like, Hey, I removed 270 filler words, and you're like, holy cow. Now it removes, if somebody says something like, like this thing, it'll remove a double word. And I did it once and then listened back and I was like, Oh, crap, there's an edit there. That doesn't make any sense. And then going back. And so to me, if I have to listen to every edit, to approve it, or I'm just going to do it in the way I used to do it. I don't district kind of drives me nuts. It's, it's got some really cool stuff in it. But the fact that I have to wait for it to transcribe anything before I can edit it is like, it just seems like it takes forever, especially if it's a 90 minute show like this, I can go make lunch and come back and like, oh, it's finally done. So it's got its pros and cons. The The other thing I wanted to talk about, and I'm gonna steal this from, from Robin Todd, they were talking about feed drops, which if you're not familiar with what that is, that's where someone will take an episode from another show, and put it in their show. And for me, if you do that, you should probably put something at the beginning where you kind of introduce the episode, why you're doing this. And here it is. And Todd's question was, why wouldn't you just put like a 62nd promo? And I was like, That's a good question. He's like, because Todd thought it was rude to basically cram somebody else's episode, even if it's a good fit down, like they tuned in for your show. And you're like, hey, enjoy this other thing. And I was like, it's an interesting thing, because I did that with with evil recently, because EVO would let me host his show. And he's like, Hey, I'm testing this. Would you be interested in letting me you know, can you do a feed drop? And I'm like, Yeah, can I do it? Like, I don't want you to take over my episode. But I'll do it on like a Wednesday, and kind of like, Hey, here's a bonus content, check out my friend. And I don't know, what are your thoughts on that, Jim?

Jim Collison  1:04:42  
Yeah, I don't know if I've got too many on that. Yeah. You know, it's kind of it's trying to think through how do i What do I don't know, I have to I have to think about

David Jackson  1:04:52  
well, for me, I cuz I stepped back and I was like, Okay, I've heard promos. And I've heard you know where people play a full episode in that and I was like I don't think a I've ever left. Like I've never added that, like I haven't picked up a show. Even though in theory, it's either the same because you want to do that with somebody who either shares the same subject, or the same audience. And because Scott Johnson is great at this, you'll find and Scott does his due diligence, he makes sure it's a good show, and yada yada, yada. And I might, but yet I've never gone to listen to any show that Scott has recommended. And which brings me to another link I had. Tom Webster, is added, again, over at Edison Research, where they just came out with a report on what they're calling super listeners, do you know what a super listener is? Hmm, how many hours do you think do you have to listen to to be a super little

Jim Collison  1:05:48  
that kind of eight? It's actually eight a week.

David Jackson  1:05:51  
It's like, well, I see. He doesn't say how long? It's only five hours. But so I guess if you had eight, eight short shows that were on many hours, yeah. Okay. So yeah. So it's five hours is ever more per day? Per the, I think it is per day, five or more hours. Yeah,

Jim Collison  1:06:12  
podcasting per day.

David Jackson  1:06:13  
But what's interesting in that study, is he talks about if somebody leaves and goes to a paid exclusive content, would you follow them? Want to guess how many people would?

Jim Collison  1:06:28  
It's 37%? See, that's,

David Jackson  1:06:30  
that's what I would have thought it was. It was like 83% Oh, wow. And I was like, and they so he said, what that really shows is the how tuned in people are to the host. So if we're talking about how I'm tying this into fi drops, is you can show me a really cool show. But again, I'm kind of loyal to the original host.

Jim Collison  1:06:55  
So radio lab does this all the time, they they drop in? No, they'll be like, hey, we want you to you know, they did a series, Jad did a series called more perfect that was about the Supreme Court. And he was dropping in that in the radio lab all the time, they kept two or three times a year, they'd be like, hey, we want you to listen to this episode. And they just, you know, they start and then you drop it in. I know it'd be interesting to see I would listen to him, you know, cuz I was always it was it was similar. Different content similarly produced, you know, they're highly produced, right, and they're on Radiolab

David Jackson  1:07:30  
I, so I listen to it. Are you still listening to Radio lab these days?

Jim Collison  1:07:34  
I haven't not as much. Not not, they've completely changed, right. Both Robert and Chad, Jad, Jad. There it is Chad are gone. And they have some new producers. Not that it hasn't changed. I just it hasn't. I only have so much time to listen to podcasts lately, because I'm not commuting as much. And that kind of dropped the bottom.

David Jackson  1:07:52  
That was gonna be my other question when we're talking about these feed drops. how full is your podcast cup? Yeah. Because right now, if I'm going to listen, like I have, I got a thing from Audible. They're like, Dude, you have five credits available. Like go listen to a book. And if I go and listen to an actual audio book, I come back, and I've got so many podcasts, because it takes me three or four days to listen to a book. And when I come back, I'm like, I mean, I have 74 episodes now that I have to listen to. And so I think that's the thing. It's like, you know, for you to really take on a new show that you want to listen to you like, Oh, this is great. He kind of got a bump somebody out, which I think is one of the reasons why growing your show now is maybe a little harder than it was 10 years ago, because 10 years ago, I don't think we had super listeners that were just consuming all day we might have they were just but there weren't that many shows to listen to. So now, if you're gonna get into somebodies repertoire of podcasts, they've probably already listened to enough they're like I can't take on anymore. I don't know. That's a good question of the month. I'll have to ask that.

Jim Collison  1:09:06  
It would be good when the survey with your with your listeners, you know, you know, I listened to like I loved what Mike Rowe was doing on his Are you still listening? No. Cuz he went it went from short minutes to eight hours. Yeah, I quit. You know, you're like, Mike, I don't. You jumped the shark on this one. I don't. I'm not I don't care about your producer. Like no, he's your buddy. Yeah, that was no you wanted to go longer, but I don't care about him. I you know, that show

David Jackson  1:09:33  
is the epitome of me saying nobody cares how the sausage was made. Because that's what he's doing. He's like, here's how we made this episode. I don't really know. I wish he didn't

Jim Collison  1:09:46  
be working, though. Cuz I think he's still doing it.

David Jackson  1:09:49  
He's still doing it.

Jim Collison  1:09:50  
He must be still getting some notes. There must be people who like it. I wasn't one.

David Jackson  1:09:54  
Now. You know, I was very vocal in his group and a couple other places like please go back Yeah, well so I just

Jim Collison  1:10:02  
to be fair, he does it in a way where the content we use listen to is up front so you can listen to it and then drop the rest of the episode and and I mean, so you could you can kind of self select out of that thing if you want to and still get the content you used to get I just didn't, you know got longer and longer and I was just like no not I didn't I didn't want to listen to that now put it in another feed. Yeah, that's it started another

David Jackson  1:10:31  
show. Yeah. KIM craggy Of course, Toastmasters one on one dotnet people talking about getting rid of your nose and arms and things like that. So check out Toastmasters one on one.net and look up your local Toastmasters. I

Jim Collison  1:10:46  
went to a media you can you can rework that stuff out of your vocab. Yeah, you know, it takes it takes time and practice and constant like reminder. And you know, you got to train it out. But you can.

David Jackson  1:10:57  
Yeah, Mark says he does the same thing with audiobooks. I listen to one when I run out a podcast. And once I'm done with the audiobook, I have 5060 hours of podcasts. People just weird. I'm driving to Nashville. That's a seven hour drive. And if somebody ever asked me, How long will you drive to go some seven hours is where I'm starting to go. Are we there yet? I like I'm not completely frustrated. But I'm like, Alright, I'm ready to get up and walk around. And one of the reasons I love to drive is I get to listen to seven hours of podcasts. And it's interesting, because you would think seven hours, like I would get done and I'd be out and I'm like, No, I think I have 120 episodes waiting for me right now. So it's, I am looking forward to that because it's in the other thing is if I have to get up at four in the morning, to drive to Cleveland, so I can be there three hours before the plane takes off. And the other thing that just drives me nuts, and it's so weird, the fact that I have to take off my shoes, because some weird underwear bomber 15 years ago. I go okay, got it. And then, and then I sit and then I wait and then the plane and then the slide that's like and then I gotta go get my it's like, you know, I just can't, I would much rather drive. It's by the time I drive to Cleveland fly, get there, get my luggage, get an Uber and then get to the hotel. It's gonna be seven hours anyway. So I'm looking for

Jim Collison  1:12:24  
you get there with your car, although I mean gas prices being what they are. Well, yeah.

David Jackson  1:12:28  
And then the other thing is, is is it used to be cheaper, and it's probably not and then to pay for parking at a hotel. I don't understand where that came from, besides the fact that we can charge you a million dollars to park here because we can because you're here what are you going to do? So that's always stay in another hotel? Yeah, that's it or find a parking lot that's near the hotel that's not $80 a day or something like that go

Jim Collison  1:12:57  
park at that airport, then take a shuttle back.

David Jackson  1:13:01  
That's it. That's what I need to do. Oh, man. Another question. I've never heard of this. This was in Facebook. Anyone familiar with pod people? Do they charge if they are recruiting you to be part of their community network? And this is just one of those things again, talking about old, old things that are seem new. i There are so many I got a guy I could probably want to week somebody pops up on Facebook. Hello, sir. Like right there. I know. Mike, look, it's Facebook, you know, my name is Dave. And they're going to help me grow my audience and blah, blah, blah. And I know you're not block. And so for me any kind of community network. I always say ask somebody that's in the community. And if the if the goal is to grow your audience, ask them what their numbers were before they joined and what their numbers were after they join. So Fred wants to know, am I going to be attending or demonstrating at pm evolutions? I'm going to be attending. I am not demonstrate while I'll be at the Lipson booth, so I'll be demonstrating there but kind of a weird thing it was. I took a hit to the ego. This is the first year that I because usually you're right you have to present you have Podcast Movement, Podcast Movement evolutions, and if I didn't speak at Podcast Movement, I was speaking evolution. So sometime during that year, I would I could say, I've spoken every year Podcast Movement until this year, so and what's weird is I heard Dan say that they are at the podcast evolutions. They're kind of showing things that are coming up in the future and I'm like, I submitted a crypto like presentation. So yeah, so the ego took a little little hit there but on the other hand, I don't have to worry about speaking pockets movement evolutions. 10 minutes. Yeah, so it is kind of nice. But yeah, I will be there. So that's and from understand they're in a they're in a better Part of Los Angeles than they were at the one two years ago.

Jim Collison  1:15:04  
But I am Dan was just on the new media show. Yeah. So if you want to get some, you want to get some updates. Dan, is Dan's really good at doing this? Yeah, he gave a lot of information in a short amount of time on the real relatively short on the new media show. So if you're thinking about that, go, go listen to rob and Todd on that episode.

David Jackson  1:15:22  
Yeah. And for all you people to think Dave gets to speak anywhere he wants. No, not the case.

Jim Collison  1:15:28  
Apparently, Todd as well, cuz Todd didn't get asked. Either to speak. He mentioned that on the show. He was like, Yeah, I'm not speaking. It'll, it'll be nice just to go to it.

David Jackson  1:15:37  
Yeah. So that is a bonus. Because I know this thing at NRB. I've been working on this now for two weeks. And it's really it's kind of weird, because it's the same presentation. But I just I'm always, what I do is I run it enough towards not memorized. But once I get consistently what's on the next thing, I can start, I start getting ideas of how to make it funny, and entertaining. So that's always fun. But we have, how are we doing on time? Good. All right. So I'm trying to can you read that Jim?

Jim Collison  1:16:10  
Any RNA RNA? Yes. So there's no R in there any? Any? So pronounce it for us?

David Jackson  1:16:16  
Yes, please.

Jim Collison  1:16:20  
It's Ani. There we go. I was trying to put an RNN I don't know why. Welcome.

David Jackson  1:16:26  
Yeah. How are you? What can we help you with?

Unknown Speaker  1:16:30  
I'm actually I've been trying to figure out how to get on here. I am not tech savvy. So sorry. Took me a minute. I made

David Jackson  1:16:36  
it. So that's what's going on. There you go.

Unknown Speaker  1:16:43  
Yeah, I have been actually watching Jim do pod do strengths podcast through Clifton, for several years now at least.

Jim Collison  1:16:54  
Great. Thanks for listening. Appreciate it. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  1:16:57  
And I've been thinking about doing a podcast and been asked to like do podcasts and I've been asked to be on podcasts. I've been on a few. And so when I saw that you're going to check it out.

David Jackson  1:17:10  
Yeah, so when people say you should do a podcast? Like what are you doing that they go, oh, you should make this a podcast.

Unknown Speaker  1:17:22  
Um, I am a woman of color working in systems level food systems development, and advocacy, based in justice and equity, sustainability and diversity. So in the Midwest,

David Jackson  1:17:40  
so is it? Is it safe to say that your community is underserved, and nobody's talking about the things that you want to talk about?

Unknown Speaker  1:17:53  
It's a little more complex data than that, okay. Because it's understanding, you know, underserved doesn't just happen. It's understanding how it came to happen, why it exists, and what it's doing and the impacts of that in a day to day basis, and then all of the different things that intersect with it, that's why I do systems level. I'm also autistic. Um, so like, that's my thing. Um, oh, also. So my top five are ideation, futuristic, in, yeah. intellection input and connectedness. And I just found something from one of my trainings. And I think it was something that I saw on one of your podcast, my alternative words that I've been using for is also like possibilities, hope, understanding collection and purpose. Yeah. Yeah. And so like, that fits really well with working on systems stuff. Yeah.

Jim Collison  1:18:57  
Well, in so from starting a podcast, like, I mean, you're in a perfect spot to do that, right. And it's really about transferring that information that you know, to someone else, and the audience that you're going to have, much like we do in the strengths world, right, that audience that you're going to have, it's going to be really, really niche. So you're not, it's not a podcast necessarily designed for the masses, there may be some opportunities where getting it out to the masses from an education standpoint would be helpful are Clifton Strengths stuff. For those folks outside of the ecosystem can be helpful from time to time, but of course, it's more helpful for those who are interested in it, right, who follow it or who have their top five. But from a from a podcast perspective, go ahead. Go ahead.

Unknown Speaker  1:19:44  
Um, yeah, actually, the other thing that I kind of specialize in is the Farm Bill, and policy and we're actually ramping up for from Bill session, you know, for most 2023 and it's a massive piece of luggage. deflation in policy that impacts literally every aspect of everybody's life. And that is just not understood. And people. I mean, I'm kind of I mean, Farm Bill wonk, I guess is what you might call it, like, It's my little special obsession. And I get super excited about talking about the farm bill, because I never understood it until I got selected for a fellowship in DC back in 2018, with an organization called Benzac, that is on Capitol Hill, the National Sustainable Agriculture Coalition. And so like, it was like, from the back hills, you know, Midwest, Indiana, to the Capitol working on this thing, and it was like, you know, right into the kiln of things, but getting to actually see and understand all the different parts of it. And if I can understand it, and be excited about it, like, it's like, you're interested in some part of the Farm Bill, and you're going to hear about it, it's just we have to have conversation throughout what it is. And so I've been lucky enough to be friends with a couple of people that are really awesome, older, like, economist and stuff, and to like Dr. Akers already has a podcast. And he's asked if I want to be a guest on his podcast, and other people have asked me if I you know, want to do a podcast, you know, talking about the farm bill, and like, how it's important to everybody and stuff. And, you know, figuring out how to structure that I guess, I don't know. Sorry.

Jim Collison  1:21:33  
Yeah. So what's, what's that? No, no, what's stopping you from from starting a podcast? Like, what's the, what's the hurdle right now, that stopping you from starting a podcast?

Unknown Speaker  1:21:46  
I'm doing it by myself.

Jim Collison  1:21:51  
Okay. So is there someone else that you can? Is there someone you can do it with? Can you get a co host? You know, Dave, and I do this thing together? It's kind of nice to have somebody else to do it with? Is there someone in your world that would do it with you?

Unknown Speaker  1:22:06  
Well, that's actually why I jumped on here to watch this because I was, you know, thinking about that, and looking at, you know, different people and reaching out and trying to figure out what I thought would be a good model for your podcast, I think I'm probably one of the super listeners that you guys were talking about? Because, like, Yes, I'm still on Spotify. But that's just because I put, I've invested way too much into my playlists. And, you know, my, I mean, the algorithms on there are the reason that I'm on Spotify. And like, other political stuff aside, you know, I have sensory issues and listening to like podcasts and music and stuff, like, that helps me function. And so I'm literally listening to something almost all day long. So I have I actually, to your point, I am a super listener that does actually listen to podcasts that they've dropped into feeds of other shows. Because I've checked them out, and they're interesting. And an example of that would be my anycast, the new next new thing and me, I think, and you know, that was just like one of the other news ones that I was listening to, and, sorry,

Jim Collison  1:23:21  
the name of that one again, because you cut out when you were when you were saying, what's the name of that podcast?

Unknown Speaker  1:23:28  
Um, was it the next? Next Big Thing in money or next? new thing in money? Okay.

Jim Collison  1:23:33  
Okay. Well, it's so do your question really focuses on you, though, right? So it's focusing on should you start a podcast? Or should, how should you do that? And I think, if you're saying to us to Dave, and I, hey, a barrier is his format. What I think you should do is try like, don't start the podcast just yet. Try some different formats with people. Do some conversations, get, you know, use stream yard or zoom or whatever, to just do some practice sessions, like, get with some folks have some conversations. I think a lot of people start, especially in your situation. They start too early thinking they're ready for the podcast, grind some workout on practice, just try some different things with people to see what's working. What do I like doing? How is this how is this fitting together? Dave and I, I mean, we started this podcast on accident, like we were just goofing around, and he was trying some live stuff. And I jumped in and we did it for a couple weeks. And then we're like, hey, maybe we should do this every week, right type deal. So try some things with people you know, and even try some solo stuff. Evaluate it, figure that part out. The rest of it. Once you get that part figured out. The rest of it's pretty easy, where you hosted how you do it some equipment, all that stuff is is relatively easy. Finding your voice finding In your content, that's much harder. Dave, you want to add, you want to add anything to that? Yeah,

David Jackson  1:25:04  
it's just one of those things that the first time I tied my shoes, the first time I tried to shoot a basketball, I wasn't very good at it. And just the more you do it, the more comfortable you get buying a microphone. And you'll just kind of feel like, okay, that seemed to go smooth. And I like the way that worked. And especially if you find a format, and you're like, oh, this took much less editing, and I was able to do it quicker. That's always a bonus. And just realize that you're gonna hate the sound of your voice. And that's based on science. Because when you talk you hear through your ears and your skull, your skull is actually kind of a big subwoofer that makes it bass here than that. So when you listen back to your voice, you're not using your skull anymore. So it's going to sound a little more clear and not as warm. And that's absolutely normal. Because a lot of people like us, that's how I sound like no, that's, that's how you like, nobody's hanging up on you, when you call them on the phone. Your voice is fine. You know, so

Jim Collison  1:26:02  
Yeah, everybody's voice is actually listable. And then, like, when you're ready, don't be afraid to start and pivot. Like if you if you start doing some things, and you're like, Oh, this isn't really working out, just pivot in the in the process. But listen, I've heard you talk in this context in that's not gonna ask the

Unknown Speaker  1:26:19  
question, actually, yeah, well, it's less, it's less my voice. It's just like, I don't have to be on for reason. That's fine. You know, like, but I feel like the visual aspect is important. Because there are some times that I do want to show stuff, like, I'm in like, my little semi greenhouse and whatnot. And, you know, sometimes this is, you know, a good place to do stuff, but I don't have a good fallback for like, um, I don't know, like a basic not me, but visually engaging, you know, something that people can be looking at now, while I'm talking, Jim, for years,

David Jackson  1:26:57  
was podcasting in front of a pile of skis? Yeah, and I mean, it didn't look bad. It looked cool. And it was something in the background, but I think people put, and this is could be just me, because I know I obsess over what to put back here. And I was like, if you put too much stuff back there, then people are like, wait, what book is that on Jim's book? If I try to read it? Can we zoom in there? Hopefully your content is making people look at you. Not so much the content

Jim Collison  1:27:25  
in it doesn't have to be video either. Yeah, I was gonna say you, right. You don't have to we choose to do it this way. Because it's convenient. But it doesn't you don't have to? Doesn't have to be done that way. Yeah, I don't know if that answer your question.

Unknown Speaker  1:27:41  
Yeah, well, it's, it's, it's, it's not the background too much. It's just, I'm self conscious. And I don't necessarily want to put my face out there and be like, then don't recognized and stuff. You know, plus, I'm used to being, you know, written off because of my appearance. And it's like, yeah, I don't then want people to pay attention to the content not. Yeah, what my hair looks like today, or makeup on? Yeah,

Jim Collison  1:28:07  
no, just don't do it that way. Don't don't make the video. Like don't make video available. You can record it, by the way, you can record it this way. Because I, I think, when you're interacting with a co host, I think seeing their video is helpful. Like I would really I'm missing your facial expressions. And I'd really like to see him to interview you. It's, I don't feel like I'm being as effective. I can't read your social cues. I don't know when we're interrupting. And when we're not. We're having some audio we're getting a little bit of audio skipping from you. So like, that's hard for me. But that doesn't mean because your videos on or that you have to have video you have to publish the video. Right? You can do this and make it audio only be just fine. Yeah, video

David Jackson  1:28:51  
stuff comes in really handy. Because that's what we do this show. We basically record it live here. And then the the major part of my audience listens to the audio of this. I do throw it on YouTube. But if I didn't want to I could just not put it on YouTube. But the the video cool thing was is you came on and I just knee jerk reaction, I started asking questions. And I was like, oh, you know what, that was dumb. This is like, this is something that listens to Jim, Jim should be driving this part of the conversation. So I just moved. I purposely backed away from the microphone to kind of give the signal Hey, Jim, like, jump in here and take over and he did it perfectly. So that's the advantage of of having videos, you can tell when someone is giving you some sort of physical signal of like, I'm done with this point. Now. You jump in. Here we go.

Jim Collison  1:29:41  
Yeah, we can see you now. Yeah. Yeah, thanks for doing that. It's it's most helpful. Although it may cause like now that you turn your video on, depending on your bandwidth, it may cause audio issues, so we'll just have to see how that goes. But great to see you. Oh,

Unknown Speaker  1:29:57  
normally Hi. Nice to see you. Normally When I do video calls and stuff like that, I put it on my pod or on my iPad, and then I do the audio actually on my business phone. And right now, I'm just on my main phone. And that's because I was having a hard time getting the business when I think I need to, like, update something. I don't use that much, though.

Jim Collison  1:30:19  
Well, you may have some, you know, if you're gonna do audio and video, we may want to spend a little time just talking about your gear, to make sure that the gear can support proper bandwidth for those. For both those Do you have the right amount of bandwidth for your internet service provider? Can your equipment handle those kinds of things? So there are some just technical things maybe to get worked out in that process where once you get it figured out, you never have to come back to it. But I wouldn't, I would never hesitate on the video side, I'm a video first guy, I do everything video. That's just the way I am. But don't hear a saying you have to do that if you don't want to. That's up to you. That's the beauty of this thing. You decide how you want to do it.

Unknown Speaker  1:31:06  
I've been working on it, because I actually, I spent the last year keeping my head shape. Because I want to just like take the time and like, get to learn who post COVID me is because I feel like everybody's changed so much. And it's like I just intentionally took the time to get rid of you know, a lot of I mean, because I had a lot of hair and issues and whatever. And it's like, that's been a freeing thing. But at the same time, it's like having to reintroduce myself to everybody. So which is both fine and a little nerve wracking?

Jim Collison  1:31:39  
Well, for sure, and listen, you You be you right in the Senate. But but don't don't get me wrong, like I've you know that I get the physical virtual, or the physical appearance thing, the voice thing, whatever. Deal with those, like work through those from from a personal standpoint, we can say, oh, yeah, video is fine. You look great. Don't worry about that. I mean, we can say that, you've got to be okay with that, right? I mean, at the end of the day, you've got to kind of come be like, be comfortable with it from your own standpoint, just because we say it doesn't mean that's true. You've got to be comfortable with it. And for more you're coming with at it. Yeah. This was this helpful at all? I mean, other than

Unknown Speaker  1:32:24  
appearances, though, yeah. But other than appearances, and I have a stand. I just didn't have it out. I wasn't planning on turning on the video. Other than the, you know, appearances and technical part, I'm talking about the FarmBot. I mean, obviously, Dr. Eichert already has a podcast about it. Um, I think I could definitely make it interesting. I'm just, I get stuck on all the different ways because I have lots of different ideas. And it's like,

David Jackson  1:32:55  
write them down.

Unknown Speaker  1:32:57  
Do you have any suggestions or thoughts on how introduce? Yeah,

David Jackson  1:33:02  
yeah, right, Dave, go write them down. And then if there's any kind of Facebook groups, or any kind of communities that are talking about this, see what they're talking about? And then say why they seem to be talking about this subject a lot. Okay, let's make that the first episode, okay, and kind of see what your audience needs to hear. And then there are going to be some things that they're not talking about, but they should because they don't know about it. And that's where you can introduce things like, hey, audience, here's the thing that you may not know, blah, blah, blah. And then that's the stuff in some cases are like, I didn't know why this is why I need to listen to the show. They're giving me things. I can't get other places. So

Jim Collison  1:33:39  
well, and just because there's some other podcast about it doesn't mean I mean, it's different because they don't have you. Right. So like, You be you, you do your thing, you do it your way. You do it the way. Do it the way that's best for you. This is kind of do a strengths based podcast, like figure out what you do best. And then do it in your way that regardless of whether there's some I mean, there's 1000 podcasts about podcasting. Yeah, that doesn't stop Dave and I from coming on every Saturday morning to do this because they don't have us. Like in right Ubu

David Jackson  1:34:12  
Yeah, and if you're worried about being judged, I have really bad news for you. If you've been to Walmart or Target or Kohl's or anyplace else, guess what? You've been judged the person behind you is like liquid, Fruity Pebbles, you know, whatever. It's like they're you're judged everywhere you go.

Jim Collison  1:34:30  
Don't worry about it. Well, that's

Unknown Speaker  1:34:32  
why I say home. My cats are very judgmental. Okay, really? Yeah.

Jim Collison  1:34:37  
Yeah, well, it's, you know, you're gonna put yourself out there in there's gonna be there's gonna be plenty of that. But the trick is to just keep going. Yeah, go ahead.

Unknown Speaker  1:34:48  
Can I put myself out there and tell you what I was thinking about talking about and yes, they are. Sure. So, Doctor i occurred has been very about something he calls Community Food utility. And it's based on the Rural Electrification utilities from, you know, the Great Depression that were chartered for public benefit. And you know, it wasn't about making money, it was about making sure that people who lived in the rural communities not only had electricity extended to them, but then also had their houses retrofitted, so that they could access that network. And then they were dissolved once there was no longer need. And so they're looking at something similar for, like, in it, but he applied that same concept to food. And the Denver County has released something that they're working on, that's a concept of a community food utility. But I've taken it a little bit further, and to what I've been calling a bio, regional resiliency, utility. I know it's a, I got to get the wording down, but it was just a regional resiliency utility. But then when I was talking with a doctor I created, he interjected the bio part because it's about including conservation and regeneration, as well as I'm kind of a bio regional, you know, intersection of the food system in order to secure communities against, you know, larger scale pressures and, you know, challenges, it's going to create a bunch of jobs, and they're all going to be local, and it's, you know, make make local, Eat Local, process local, but also like energy and that sort of stuff. And so breaking down all the different parts of that, I think, is what I would like to do on my podcast, because there's so many different things to talk about. But it's like, I need to have a conversation with somebody who is going to ask me a bunch of questions, so that I can write down, like the questions and then start working on Okay, these are the things that people would want to know. And how can I answer that?

Jim Collison  1:37:01  
Yeah, yeah, well, you've got content. Like I don't, yeah, there's, it's super niche II. And it's going to be a niche of a niche of a niche in a lot of ways, right? And not everybody's gonna understand it. But I think your goal would be to make it if you want, if the more people listen to it, you're gonna have to make it more average person. Right, you're gonna have to translate that to like, why should I care? But as you know,

Unknown Speaker  1:37:27  
yeah. But that's also part of like, being neurodivergent. And autistic, as part of it is like, um, I can't do it, like, average average person. But I do use a lot of metaphors and similes, you know, as examples to connect things. So,

Jim Collison  1:37:45  
yeah, well, it'll just be, it'll be a work in progress, right? You just you just I think you just need to start, you know, you just need to try some things and get some stuff out there and just see, see where it lands.

David Jackson  1:37:58  
And when it comes to the technology, you don't have to release everything you record. When I was a musician, I didn't, I spent six months in the basement, before I actually did anything in public. So you can take this time to shape the ideas and find out what people want and go that route. And, and here's the thing, you're either going to end up with a phenomenal podcast, or a phenomenal story about that one time when you started a podcast. You know, so it's, you know,

Jim Collison  1:38:25  
you got to try though, you just got to try, you just got to get out there and give it a shot.

David Jackson  1:38:29  
But unfortunately, we need we need to end the show because I'm driving to Nashville tomorrow. And my day is jam packed. And we do have if you're an awesome supporter today at one o'clock, you can come ask more questions. We've got that going on. But can you can you come back like in two weeks and give us an update because we're we're not here next Saturday, but we'll be back to Saturday after that.

Unknown Speaker  1:38:53  
I can put it on my calendar. I've got to run anyway, at some degrees in here. And I've got maple trees that I know are overflowing that I need to go empty. I'm tapping I've got my tree and my neighbor's tree tapped. And it's my second year making bourbon maple syrup. So nice. Talking with you guys. Nice to actually meet you. I think I think I linked in. Start your day. If you don't mind. I'll probably find you somewhere.

Jim Collison  1:39:15  
Yeah, absolutely. Sounds great. Thanks for jumping in. Thanks

David Jackson  1:39:19  
so much. Did it?

Jim Collison  1:39:20  
Yep. You bet. Thank you.

David Jackson  1:39:23  
Well, that was fun that it's

Jim Collison  1:39:24  
this was super fun to hear like that. That's a real world struggle. For folks starting podcast. I think sometimes we gloss over that. And that's just a real world scenario of like, yeah, I got I've got a lot of things to say. How do I overcome the obstacles I need to overcome to get this done?

David Jackson  1:39:44  
I was talking with a guy new member the school of podcasting and he said, what's the thing that you have to like, what's the biggest hurdle? He's like, because he was kind of stuck on he was thinking way down the line. He's thinking about website a microphone, I go no, like we haven't even figured out what your topic is yet. I said but it's this the mental I go I swear I'm more psychiatrist than I am. Like, what microphone to buy the microphones and stuff? It's easy. It's the how do I get past the nobody's gonna listen to me and that whole nine yards. So

Jim Collison  1:40:14  
yeah, our own insecurities, right? We all have them and it's how do I get how do I get past those things? Yeah,

David Jackson  1:40:20  
Jim what's coming up on the average guy.tv

Jim Collison  1:40:23  
Young Komarov, who's in our chat room from time to time launched a brand new IT business podcast. We, he's been on the show here to talk about it. He's got it launched. So we had kind of a launch party for him. And we'll be releasing that here in a little bit out at the at the average guy.tv.

David Jackson  1:40:39

David Jackson  0:00  
Record. Today is March.

Jim Collison  0:04  
Don't forget I got a rail on pot.

David Jackson  0:06  
Yeah, gonna say that's where we're gonna go anytime now ask the podcast coach for May 5 2022. Let's get ready to park. There it is. It's that music The means Hey, it's Saturday, it's time for Ask the podcast coach, when you get your podcast questions answered live. I'm Dave Jackson from the School of podcasting.com. And joining me right over there is the one and only Jim Collison from the average guy.tv. Jim, how's it going, buddy?

Jim Collison  0:42  
Greetings, Dave, happy Saturday morning to you always great to be back on Ask the podcast because we got our first inch of rain in like six months. Everyone's out there dancing around. And it's pretty nice. So

David Jackson  0:52  
yeah, we actually have supposed to be up in the 50s today. So I'm looking forward to that. Because a I have to clean out my car. There will be no show next week because I will be in Nashville. I'm attending two different shows the spark Christian podcast conference. And then the National Religious Broadcasters. I'm actually doing 45 minutes on podcast monetization. So I'm looking forward to that. But I'll be driving back. I think Saturday night or Sunday or something next weekend. I know either way,

Jim Collison  1:24  
that's gonna take a week off, be a week off. And but

David Jackson  1:27  
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Jim Collison  2:52  
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David Jackson  3:13  
nice and you have a true story. From what I understand about our good. We used to laugh because I would say automatic is the devil. And you'd be like Hey,

Jim Collison  3:24  
I defended Right. Like actually, they're not that bad. I started I started a home gadget geeks, which is was home tech in the day. I started home tech on automatic and they've been a good you know, they've been a decent podcast host as far as they never any problems. They've never been down. They've always done what they've said they would do. And then I got kind of, you know, couple years ago they offered Hey, join our Pro Plan for like $5 You know, subscribe, and then it'll be $120 next year, but I will tell you it's common right then they do they were fair about that. So I got suckered into it. And so last year I forgot to cancel it. Right. And so they're like they charged it and I went back and said hey, you know I don't do that so but they wouldn't refund it. So I just took it for the year and did did the thing for the year but then it canceled the I took my credit card off the right so it was gone. And yeah, I did forget to to you know, to to move this subscription service down and yes, they had sent me emails but a day after it happened. I saw it on my credit card. It's like wait a minute, how can they charge my credit card when it's when I've taken it off? Right You know, I took it off the system I said don't charge this thing anymore. So I contacted him and said hey, there's just been a misunderstanding you know please and thank you refund that and and all downgrade they're like no legally we can do this is that this was the note day. Legally we can do this. And you Oh you gotta calendar when they when they leave EAD with, we're not going to refund it. And legally we can do this, you know, they've had some Yeah. Like, you know, this isn't going well for them or this isn't, you know, this this kind of thing. And I said, So I replied back nicely. I know, I understand it's in the terms. I understand. You can do this. I've been your customer for a long time. I'm asking you to make an exception. The email I got back, we don't make exceptions. Oh, really? Okay. Well, then you're getting that I'm going to talk about you. And I'm going to talk about you a lot. Yeah. You know, in this in, listen, you and I know. I mean, they're not the most they're not there. They're on very few people's radars. There's our group, our our people here that listen to the show probably aren't using automatic, let's hope not. I just can't, I just can't recommend them anymore. It's it. I sent them a note. I said, I'm just guys, I've been a longtime customer. And if anybody asked me, Hey, I'm going to use pod Matic, what do you think I'd be like, that's fine. They've been great for me. You know, it's a great option. I can't do that anymore for you. And it makes me sad that I can't you know that I can't do this. Well,

David Jackson  6:11  
I remember, God used to be it was it was free, right? It's a free host. And then you could pay them blah, blah, blah. And so somebody would move from PodOmatic. And you would go to them and say, Hey, I need you to put in a 301 redirect because I moved to this other paid host. And they would go No. And then they're like, we only do that for our paying customers, okay? And then they would send you a link to where you can only buy a yearly subscription. And I was like, hold on, that can't be right. So I found that there was a link where you could buy, you could buy like a monthly $5 for like a month or 10 or whatever it was. And I'm like, it's worth spending $10 to bring your audience with you. But again, it was just shady, the whole thing was just like,

Jim Collison  6:56  
so yeah. Shady is the right is the right word. Yeah, you know, so I cancelled, you know, left to just a few podcasts up there recorded a 25. Second, hey, if you're hearing this, you're on automatic, and I need you to move because I'm going to kill this feed. I probably had 50 or 60. Still over there. From the old days, you know, they had subscribed there. And because I had never interrupted the service, they probably just kept downloading it right from there. I was getting decent. It's the reason I didn't leave in the first place as I was getting decent numbers, you know, probably 1000 or two every year off the service. Do you really want to, you know, for some podcasters 1000 or two would be pretty great just to have all by itself? Yeah. So I kind of was like, I don't really want to interrupt that. Well, I'm gonna interrupt it now. And so it's just, it was just a shame, Dave, they didn't have to deal with $120. Like, the guy should have been like, oh, yeah, you've been a customer for a decade. I'm gonna take care of that for you.

David Jackson  7:58  
Yeah, no, no. And that's where they're really short sighted. Because, look, it's funny because I, I worked Presidents Day, which Lipson had off. So we always have one person there to, you know, make sure the mountain of tickets doesn't get too tall. So I took President's Day off on the first purposely, because we get a number of people that have done exactly what you said. They're like, Hey, um, I'm not going to do the podcast anymore. And they go in and they think they've cancelled it, but they didn't. And they say, Hey, I just see what this charge came through. Can you refund it? We don't even ask like, Here you go. Thank you. Because we want them It sounds weird. We don't want them to leave. But we don't want to leave them with a bad taste in their mouth. Right? You know, and we always give them a reason not to come back. Yeah. It's like, Hey, if you ever change your mind, just email us and ask us don't sign up again. Just ask, tell us to reactivate your podcast because it's going to be here for at least a few months until we wipe our system. And you know, and like I had this guy this week, that we had said that to him, he went to pod bean and lasted two episodes, and turned back around. He goes, I hate to say this, he goes like, but I'm coming back. And I'm dying to hear because I asked him I was like, I said, Hey, my marketing team would kill me if I didn't ask, like, why did you leave in the first place? And you know, what made you decide to come back? And I'm dying to hear his answer. But yeah, it's, you know, same thing with them. I mean, the School of podcasting, not everybody is that, you know, I always kind of jokingly call it and say you're graduating, but there comes a time when you're like, you know, Dave, I came here, I learned to How To Start A Podcast, it's up, it's going, you know, I love the Facebook group and all but you know, especially with COVID, and people were losing their jobs. They're like, Dude, I love you. But like, you know, I need that 50 bucks for something else. And I was like, Here you go. I'm here anytime you need me. So that's sad.

Jim Collison  9:50  
It's just it's just terrible service, you know, and it's unfortunate because we had 10 good years, and then we have this one experience and you're like, unfortunately, it's the last One, and it's the most shady one. Now, to be honest, I mean, they should have done this for me last year they should, right? If they would have refunded it for me last year and taking care of it. So I already kind of had, like, you know, my eye on him, and I missed it by a day. You know, same exact thing happened I carwashes. For whatever reason, in the United States, there's, I don't know, but in your area, Dave, but brand new car washes are popping up everywhere. And you can get subscription services to car washes like Unlimited, right? It's 25 bucks or whatever. So I go into our carwash and they sell me a $35 plan for 20 bucks. And they're like, you can try it for a month and then come back. I came back on the day after again, maybe this is a problem. I came back the day after. And the guy said, I he goes, Well, technically, this has been, you know, we already charged you in and I said, I know, I said Can you Can I Can you just refund it? And he's like, Absolutely. Like, you know, in in, he knows, I mean, they're in a fight for their, for their business for everybody's business right on these things. And that was a great experience. If if I have a bad experience somewhere else, I'm gonna go back to that place. I'm going to give them a try, you know, try again. So it's just poor. I mean, it's poor thought and planning. And it's like in the scheme of things, do you really want to piss somebody off for 100 bucks? So you know, I went to my credit card company, and said, Yeah, no, that's not going to work for me. And they're like, Oh, we absolutely will take this off. So you know, they lost both ways. They lost the customer. And they lost the money. Yeah, right. No, I do that. So podcasters. Don't do that to your audience.

David Jackson  11:42  
Now, speaking of Mark, he says, he's in the chat room. He says the same way. podcasters always remember, the bad reviews, you can have a great experience with the company for years, but you grade them on the bad experience you have back in the day, like probably 30 years from from now, I used to teach a customer service class. And we talked about how, how much money it takes to get a customer. So let's say you spend for easy, let's say you spend $10 on marketing to get a customer. If they leave, you're going to spend like $100 to get them back. And if you ever get them back at all, because and that's the other thing is if there was a weird I forget the stat, but if you have a great experience, like you might tell two people, if you have a bad experience, you'll tell 10 It's it's a weird thing. It's like everybody's like it just so yeah,

Jim Collison  12:31  
well, I didn't even I didn't even say to him, you know who I am right. You know, I have a podcast. Do you know about podcasting? Right? You know, I'm gonna say this I I didn't even say that to him. You know, it wasn't wasn't like, trying to throw that around in it that to be honest, they wouldn't have cared. And this shows not big enough that it would have made that big of a difference. But I've just told the 567 100 Whatever, listen to this thing. I just told them about the bad experience.

David Jackson  12:56  
Well, and I'm gonna tell people, and they're gonna tell you Well,

Jim Collison  13:00  
I mean, you already thought it was a bad service to begin with. So like now it's now you're like, I was just.

David Jackson  13:07  
Yeah, I'm not saying I told you. So by any means. No, way you are. It's okay. I want I don't even know if they're IAB certified. I'd have to go check. Yeah, because that was my other thing is when you're saying hey, I'm getting a couple 100 people over there. I'm like, it's probably more like 60 Yeah,

Jim Collison  13:25  
yeah, yeah, yeah, no, right on right on I just didn't want to you know, I didn't want to go through the hassle of taking you know, all the steps that you got to do and it was just easier to keep it there. And you know, and those kinds of things I didn't want to banded anybody. Well, they're gonna get abandoned now. I mean, I'm gonna you know, I like to be on all those services. You know, I have I kind of subscribe to all the free ones just to keep track of what they're doing. You know, I've got something on Anchor red circle. Shout engines before they bit the dust. Yeah. But because we do a show about this, I tried to be on a mall so that I can at least talk about him see what they're doing audio, you know, audio boom, yeah, those kinds of services. Right. Um, so I find it helpful. But, you know, in this case, now, they just, it's, you know, Fool me once shame on me for me twice. Right. So I just I think it's the other way around. But the so PodOmatic goodbye.

David Jackson  14:24  
Yeah, I know. Well, shout engine was another one. Now they did say, Hey, we're going out of business. The name of the month. Yeah, they never did. redirects. Like they were they were on my my poop list for that. But they did say as we're going out of business, like we will redirect your feed I was like, well, that's kind of cool. And then somebody missed their deadline by like a day or two. And I said you can email them but they did say after this date, you know, so

Jim Collison  14:54  
and they closed hard. Like they were Yeah, day boom website gone. The It was a it was a complete, they burn that thing to the ground. Yeah, my

David Jackson  15:03  
pet dango was my favorite free media host. And they did a thing I think was the week before Christmas. And they're like, hey, starting January 1, like, we're out, we're done. So we don't know where you're going, but you can't stay here. It's like,

Jim Collison  15:20  
yeah, which is like every Saturday night with the kids at my house. I don't know where you're going with it not gonna be here.

David Jackson  15:27  
Well, and that is something that too, that I'm seeing that people kind of go hmm, is they're not keeping a local copy of their stuff. You don't have to keep everything. But if nothing else, keep the finished mp3 file. Because I've had people that are like, hey, like, how do I download all of my files on Lipson and they're looking for a one click Download All button. And that doesn't exist. It's not hard, you can go to like your, your Libsyn podcast page, you just click download on all the players and blah, blah, blah, but it is still one at a time. And I'm just amazed at how many people don't keep a copy and then throw it in Dropbox or Yeah, media fire or whatever. So

Jim Collison  16:09  
yeah, you should I mean, just from a backup perspective, right, let's just let's just cover this, again, as we think about what you're what you should have, you should have one copy. Local, right? Ideally, you want three copies. So a local copy that you're working on, you could have a local copy that's separate in a backup on, let that's local, you could do that as well, that's a good idea. That's different, that's not taking the original file and moving it to a USB drive and saying, Okay, it's backed up, now you need to have in two places to ideally, that second place would be off site somewhere, a lot of guys do that, where they, they, they'll put a piece of equipment somewhere and move it there. And then, of course, one in the cloud write one somewhere off of yours. And so having three copies of it somewhere three separate copies is ideal. And then I actually like this idea of a working copy, that's fourth. So you've got your kind of hyper local, like, right there on your desktop, or something close to the ones you're working on right now. So you're not always having to move them around your network. But it's a good idea, you should count. And if you have less than three, you probably kind of want to come up with a third way to to or even a second way for some people to make sure you're getting those things backed up.

David Jackson  17:23  
Yeah, the big thing that a lot of people don't realize is if I have a copy on my computer, and then I buy a USB drive, right, so I've got this one here, and I load all my files on my external USB drive, when your house catches on fire, you've now lost two copies of your your show, you got to have one somewhere off site. So that's where the, the cloud kind of comes in handy, and then you hope they don't catch on fire. Well,

Jim Collison  17:51  
and ideally, it's probably a good idea to have two off Site Backups, because you're gonna, you're gonna keep it at one place, like I keep mine Backblaze. Like, that's kind of my cold storage, super cheap. Like, it's there, but I'll pay to get it back. Like, if you it's super cheap to keep it there and storage. But if I need to re reinstall everything all pay, that's not something I want to do on a regular basis. Right? That is fire burned down last resort kind of thing. I'd like another someplace else that I can get to them if I need to just like oh, yeah, no, I need to provide that kind of thing, whatever, that that still may be cloud based. So having to cloud based backups, probably not a bad idea. Just kind of think through this and disaster scenarios.

David Jackson  18:37  
And I can I can tell you this, unfortunately, from a personal standpoint, pick pick either one or, or one folder. Because I have a bunch of old I mean, I have like 30 shows that I don't do anymore, but I save them somewhere. And I know they're either in Dropbox, or they're in Microsoft OneDrive. And I have some in both and it's like nananana know, that you will drive yourself nuts because you know, I know it's here, I haven't deleted any of that stuff. And it's not hard to go to the website and do a search and then you hope you hit the right keyword or whatever. But you know, for me, I needed to I could I finally created a folder just called Old Stuff I should delete and, and it's just all these old shows. It's like, I should just rename it like sentimental stuff that I'm holding on to or whatever. And it's all these old shows and old speaking stuff. But I finally made one folder. So that if I'm looking for stuff like that, which I don't look for rarely, but at least I now know where it is. But for a while I had it kind of scattered again on different things I was paying for and I was like I need to organize this stuff. So it's great. You don't

Jim Collison  19:45  
if you're a new podcast, or you don't need a lot, you know, I know if you're if you've gone to anchor you've gone because you don't want to pay for anything forever. And so you're probably not going to pay for backup, right? That's the thing we're talking here if you're if you're cheeping out on your hostplus are, you know backup is the last thing on your mind of paying for to make sure you keep your files. But there are some fairly inexpensive options as far as you know, if you're in if you just keep an audio, it doesn't take a lot like you don't have to buy a lot. Most people don't realize they probably have access to an office, you know, an Office subscription office 365 subscription, they always keep changing the name on that. So it could be something different, but office 365 And then they'll have up to a terabyte, that wouldn't be a bad option. You might have a subscription with Google and so that you've purchased in some form or fashion where you've got some storage I think I I think I bought like 100 Giga storage for like two bucks a month for some for my for a phone thing or for something, right. So apples the same way you can buy some some storage for them. Just make sure you're doing something. There's some fairly storage is pretty inexpensive at this point.

David Jackson  20:53  
Yeah, I've, I've shared this before. And luckily, I don't get it too often. But there's nothing worse than getting the email from the widow that like I just want to hear his voice like, do you guys have the files and you go, and you look up their accounting like, oh, they could podcasting in 92. And he like, Come on, daddy needs a new pair. We don't have it anymore. It's like, Ah, so that's all Yeah. So yeah, well,

Jim Collison  21:16  
in that in that kind of case, too. It's probably if they're not there probably it's gone. They the podcast or had it somewhere, but it's locked behind me. That's the that listen, that's the other thing. I don't know why you were talking about this today. But we are. That's the other thing. Make sure you've got some kind of like, if you're if you have all these cloud accounts and your podcast stuff, make sure somebody else knows how to get into them. It's in your demand. Yes. Right, buddy.

David Jackson  21:41  
I still have not done that. I've talked about it on probably three different episodes. And Gordon fire Mark said he and his wife, there's actually a book called something. It's kind of somewhat snarky, like, now that I'm dead kind of thing. And you you put in all that information. And it's what I say I'll do it tomorrow. And it's like, yeah, well, what if tomorrow doesn't happen? So I need to, I need to get in on that. So

Jim Collison  22:07  
it's, it's maybe you should find like a trusted co host that shows up every Saturday morning to hang out with you that's got one password in an envelope. That's, you know, it's that I that I put away somewhere that because listen, I mean, the chances of that happening is pretty small. So you, you need to you need to have something kind of figured out so like is Dave, you're right, you are in a situation where if something was to happen to you, you don't it's not like you don't have a lot of supporting Cast and characters behind you that are gonna go, oh, yeah, I know how to do this podcasting thing, or I know how to retrieve these files or I know how to get this you know, shut some of those kinds of things. Awesome.

David Jackson  22:43  
Randy Cantrell from down there in Dallas Fort Worth, Texas, yellow studio. I have a dropbox folder shared with my wife entitled when I die. It's got a list of everything she'll need, including contact info to both of us. There you go. Excellent. So

Jim Collison  23:00  
yeah, it's good way to it's a good way to do it. LastPass has a service that you can buy their subscription service that, that you can designate someone and they request access and you don't deny it. It gives them access after certain time. You know, it's like a deadman switch. Yeah, literally a deadman switch. Right. And then they can get they can get access to your stuff.

David Jackson  23:22  
Yeah. KIM craggy says I've been cleaning out my dad's computer. Awesome. I've been throwing away five and a half this. I can't imagine what's going on. We keep them in a place. That's acceptable. Man. Can you imagine trying to find a drive? I'm sure you could get one a goodwill that would read that though. I mean, it's like,

Jim Collison  23:39  
you can't find them anywhere anymore. No, I it would be tough. Yeah, five and a quarter. Three and a half. Yes. It's fine quarter. Yeah, I don't those are really

David Jackson  23:49  
museum that's where you find

Jim Collison  23:51  
old hard drives, you know? Like, imagine if you had backed up stuff on a ZIP disk. Remember those? I have

David Jackson  23:57  
those and I have an actual ZIP disk driver in a box downstairs. Because it had 100 Meg's 100 Meg's oh my gosh, will never fill that. Yeah. That's so funny. This is

Jim Collison  24:09  
gonna click of death. You put that thing in? Click ticular odd. It's never Yeah. Yeah, you've that. And that's so true. You know, it's although what's false about that as vinyl came back? We never thought we'd see my again. Yeah, let's come back. Right. But in most cases, these form of media's a DVD, eight years is about the life expectancy, much shorter if they're in sunlight. So if you've if your DVDs are out in the sunlight, or they're exposed to UV light, they'll break down even faster. So chances are CDs or DVDs. If you backed up for a while, people were backing stuff up to those things. writable DVD, yeah, they even have less the writable ones even have less than the non writable ones. So you just got to if kind of thought, Oh, well, I was storing it on this and you should probably test that every once in a while and move Something new. Because you're like, oh, this old hard drive that I set aside. Yeah. You don't have that Seta connection anymore or you don't. Yeah, that ID that would be more appropriate. You don't have that Id connection anymore.

David Jackson  25:13  
Yeah. Daniel says, hi. I need a five and a half drive to connect to my USB C drive on her C port on my iPad. Yeah, that's not gonna work. That's that's

Jim Collison  25:24  
sorry. That would be great. Yeah. Great. Nice to have.

David Jackson  25:28  
Randy also says I have a Google account set up with inactive account manager to forge my wife's email did on social profiles. So yeah, he's all set. So Randy, are you feeling okay, that's

Jim Collison  25:41  
what you're not worried about? Yeah, exactly. Thinking about death a little too much. It's crazy. It's good. It's good to have those to kind of think through that. You know, is there anything? Cryptocurrency would be a perfect example for me as I've in the last couple years, you know, I've gotten some crypto that's locked inside some things that my wife would have no idea how to get to not even close. Yeah, so some of my friends may even struggle to get to that. So,

David Jackson  26:08  
you know, you gotta have your list of words. And yes, you're gonna have to have a, you have to have a separate page of instructions on

Jim Collison  26:17  
proud of you. Yeah, you you know that. You're going to be my backup instructions.

David Jackson  26:23  
Dear Honey, do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around, then you will get my crypto. Yeah, that's about it. If it's

Jim Collison  26:29  
crypto contact Dave Jackson. He knows he knows.

David Jackson  26:34  
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Jim Collison  28:03  
So I think I think I need some more coffee. Let's see if we can get the Yeah. There we go. So satisfying.

David Jackson  28:12  
Yeah. Yes, I've heard about this guy. Big Blue says there's a guy in the UK who threw away part of a laptop. All you remember that he had a cryptocurrency on that laptop, and it turned out to be something like 250,000 pounds.

Jim Collison  28:25  
I am sure that story has been replicated dozens or hundreds of times from casino there was this period where crypto had its peak. And then Bitcoin in particular had its peak, and then it dipped, and everybody was like this is garbage. And I hear from people all the time, like, oh, man, I had, you know, I have 15 Bitcoin on a hard drive that I can't get access to anymore. And you're like, yeah, that's worth a lot of money right now.

David Jackson  28:47  
Yeah, it's like, you're gonna kind of wish you hadn't done that in a bit. And that's really it. I mean, I'm in my presentation for NRB. I talk about the, you know, the seven different ways you can make money with your podcast. And when I get to crypto, it's kind of interesting, because I'm explaining, like, I always feel weird because I do these things. It's like, hey, let's make money with your podcast, and then explain how it's kind of like, I don't know, not easy, and that you actually need an audience and things like that. And so I'm going to actually share my screen. Here we go. And so what's interesting as I show in the presentation, like for affiliate stuff, because I've matched a great product to a great audience. Now granted, only about 3% of those people are going to click on that link. But 50% of the people that click on that affiliate link, buy it, but I'm making $2 Every time they do that. And so with Bitcoin with the whole crypto thing, you know, they have these new apps that you can use, and there we go. And so this is a screenshot of fountain@fountain.fm and you can actually see how many SATs you've given people now as the Toshi just to give you a glimpse of how actual small it is. It is point 0004 cents point 0004 cents. So when I give Adam curry 25,000 SATs for the no agenda show, that comes out to about 11 bucks. But I thought about that if I could get 3% of my audience to give me 11 bucks. That's a heck of a lot better than the $2 I got from the affiliate sale. And so and the other thing is, I am somewhat thrifty. I'm not streaming a ton of sets per minute. And I've seen working at Lipson and supporting glow. I've seen people they're like, Hey, we're supporting the whatever Tony and Tina show. And we're giving them already $20 a month, how do we up our membership site? And so I remember Adam one time said, never put a limit on how much your audience can support you. And that's when I had somebody do that. They're like, we want to give them more. I was like, huh, like maybe there's something to that. So I think that's one of the biggest difference, you can find this show is actually able to if you want to stream Satoshis to us, I've set the show up to dive in mention that on this. And that's one of the problems you have to let your audience know to go to new podcast apps.com. And in sign up in, but to me, that's the one that has, like when I look at all the different ways I'm like, huh, because like, if you give me $11 Today, I have no idea how much that's gonna be worth in 10 years. Like it could be, you know, 11 cents? Could be 11,000. We don't know. So that's the tricky part about it. But it was. It's it. That's an interesting app I've been it's it's funny, because I've always said you will pry you know, overcast from my cold, dead hands. Unless there's an app that does something that overcast doesn't Well, Marco has said he is not doing the streaming, crypto thing and overcast. And these are shows that I listened to you can see there was no agenda. There's the new media show podcast, pontifications, pod land, a podcast junkies, all the all these podcasts about podcasting started doing that. And I still need to do an episode of leading the bleeding to explain what's in it for the listener. And Jim, have you ever been in a theater? Right? You're watching a movie, the movie gets done. And people applaud. Right, isn't he? Because you think about it. The people that you're applauding are nowhere near you. Right? But yet, you're like, that was my awesome, right? Well, if you go to I've gone to comedy clubs, we're at the end of the night, things like, Hey, thank you good night, and people applaud. And then other people will actually stand up. Like some people want to do more than like, some people just get up and leave because they want to get to their car and beat the parking. Some people are sitting there applauding and going, Man, that was really funny. Did you see that? And then other people will stand up. So if somebody wants to stand up and give you money, why not set yourself up for

Jim Collison  33:04  
that? So yeah, always have always always have ways to let them do that. Regardless of of, you know how they want to do it. Don't say Oh, I don't I don't want to support that. You know, this is it's funny. I'm a crypto guy but I have not done any crypto in the podcasting stuff that I do not against it. I just haven't sat down to figure it out. I you know, Bitcoin Mark was saying in the chat that you know, it's all it's all you know, sipping find that this crypto stuff is all you know Greek really think of crypto just as another form of currency right? If you think like when you buy points, like it's your favorite pizza place when you order and they give you a points right you can turn those points into many credit cards have this you can turn those points into cash. They don't while they're points that don't really mean anything and not really worth anything until you convert them to something that you can spend and we still can't spend cryptocurrency in most places, you have to convert those into Fiat right and to into dollars or whatever currency that that you use in your in your local region. So So Mark, if you just think of it, it is a way though. I mean, crypto, especially Bitcoin and a lot of the other ones to Aetherium are ways for us to transact those points across different kinds of currency. So David, you think I think crypto is a perfect example of in a global audience if they want to give you money today, if someone in little just say Croatia wants to give you money, it's difficult. If they do it through cryptocurrency they've on boarded their own Fiat their own cash into the app and converted it to Bitcoin. Now that's universal. So now they can easily transfer that value to you. And you can take that value and turn it back into dollars or whatever there may be a day when bitcoin is more spendable than it is today. It's getting easier and it's getting better but so it's really just kind of a point if Mark if you kind of think of it as just kind of a point system. It does have value behind it and some of those kinds of things but carry some universal the ability to transfer that from me to, for me to you or Croatia to the United States and not have all this all this money, you know the money system problems that that is inherited in that system.

David Jackson  35:16  
And Miss Eileen is saying, can you show what it looks like when somebody gives you SATs? Well, what I'm not doing is you can set up a thing called an Umbral, which is a kind of type of operating system, you can set up a server, and it'll show you and blah, blah, blah, and I heard Adam curry say, because he set up this little server thing and you know, it goes pew pew when he gets a donation and he's mentioned twice on the show, he's like, Well, you know, sometimes the Umbro will take a crap and I was like, that's enough for me to go, I'm not going I leading the bleeding is one thing, leading something that takes a crap every now and then I'm like, I'm not going that route. So I have a

Jim Collison  35:55  
node, right? They call it a node. Yeah, he's, he's got a Raspberry Pi or something.

David Jackson  36:00  
That's it. I was gonna go that route, because it looks really easy to set up. But when he said, yeah, sometimes the Ember will take a crap. I was like, No, I don't want to get involved with something that occasionally takes a crap. But I'm in. Oh, crap, I forget the name of the software. I'm in telegram. And so if I go into telegram that's the way I use this, I use this whole Satoshi stream system. And so when I press the, I guess that's a forward slash, I can see these different things like there's list, withdraw, claim, all these things you can use. So I believe if I go slash list, in Telegram, it will now spit out. Yes. Okay. So as the podcast who who knew this, I have 14,920 Satoshis. The podcast radio show has zero. Podcasting resources has zero, that's not even a real show. Leading the bleeding, has 12,455 SATs, the School of podcasting is on a different system. But if I wanted to, I could then withdraw that to you know, whatever, like Jim was saying you transfer to and Fiat is a fun word. That just means like real, like regular money. If you go to leading the bleeding.com/video I've got a video there on how to set your show up to receive Satoshis and then a nother video on how the heck do I get my money out. So it's a, it's again, it's hence the name leading the bleeding. It's it's not for everybody. And if your audience like if I was doing a show about crypto, it would be insane not to have your show set up to do this. So if you're doing something that's kind of techie, if your audience is kind of nerdy, and they're into crypto, but just saying the word crypto, I just expect half my audience to roll their eyes and get up and leave. Because I I mean, there's a meat there's an audio meme of me that gets keeps getting played in different podcasts of me going I don't know anything about crypto, because I kind of still kind of don't, I've gone through a couple different things I now sniffing NF Ts, and I don't, I don't get them at all. I just had somebody that's setting up an NF T service. They're like, you want to be a guinea pig and I'm like all play but there is I heard somebody replied to NF TS as nothing's effing there. And I was like, it's kind of what it sounds like. It's like, hey, this thing so I that's that's a new one. I'm like, let me get a grasp on crypto before I go.

Jim Collison  38:30  
In. So I mean, NF T's are just the natural conclusion to this to cryptocurrency. In other words, the ability to be the ability to tag some digital content that has value. That's really all it is. In we've made a big deal about it, you know, because people are paying big amounts of money for the rights to have this digital bit, so to speak, that's unique to them. And because the blockchain is unique to them, there's only one of those kinds of things that exists. But it's been really hard for people to get their, their arms around that concept. Because you're like, wait a minute, I just spent $100 For nothing. Well, no, you spend $100 for a pixel or whatever it is, whatever happens to be in the NFT world that exists on this blockchain is and is unique from that standpoint, right? It's it's a unique moment. It's verifiable, right? But that's we live in a very physical world and a lot of people still are like, you know, it's like, it'd be like if you went into to the store in and I bought up you know, I used to have to do this. I'd have to reserve a bottle of blends. It's really hard. It's a bourbon that's really hard to get and I have to reserve it and I might put some money down on that reservation. That reservation is nothing there's no physical. I don't own anything yet. Right? I just don't reservation and it's just a digital it saying hey, I when that bottle Blanton's comes it belongs to Mi same NF T is the same kind of deal. There's just been a lot of shenanigans like, just be careful with NF T's there's been a lot of shenanigans and there's gonna be a whole bunch more. Just Just be cautious was a caveat emptor. Right? Just be very, very buyer beware, going into this kind of thing, know what you're doing before you're jumping in.

David Jackson  40:19  
When you say, Caveat emptor. That sounds like some sort of character in Star Wars.

Jim Collison  40:26  
It does. It's the guy in the cantina band,

David Jackson  40:30  
it's like, you have to be careful of caveat emptor, he will come and take your NFT and buyer beware to the head,

Jim Collison  40:38  
you don't understand it? Listen, I don't I don't think it's hard to understand. It's just these systems are still in the early processes of being really kind of worked out. So you're for the average guy getting into this all the massive, you know, we think about Bitcoin and a couple, you know, six, seven years ago, it was $200. And now it's $40,000. Right? Five or six years ago, you didn't even know what the word Bitcoin was. You weren't an early adopter to this thing. We kind of knew it was out there and people made fun of it. Right? Bitcoin nerd? Well, he's making fun of who now Right? Yeah. So you know, chances are, if you're waiting for it to go mainstream, you're not going to you're not going to get any the benefits of the value. So yeah,

David Jackson  41:21  
Mark says I'll stick to donations through PayPal and Patreon. I understand how they work.

Jim Collison  41:26  
Yeah, but even remember, when Patreon came out, people were like, you're doing what? Yeah. How's this working? Well, you know, Todd, Robert,

David Jackson  41:34  
talking about this how, you know, Apple having subscriptions. Spotify having subscriptions, that is so not new. There were plugins. years ago, there were people were using to make premium pot it was you had to be a nerd to kind of figure it out. And you had to manage passwords and things like that. But that is something that's been around for a long time. So it's even now. I have yet to see it. I I did play with Lipson studio a little bit, but there's a new service out called spooler. From what I understand, Dan Benjamin is one of the guys and a bunch of big shot smarty pants that you that I've heard of, but don't know kind of people. And what it sounds like is you have a bunch of blocks that then get stitched together. And I go oh, kind of like Giga Vox back in 2006. It's like it's all all been there. And that's really what Libsyn studio is. I actually want to replay because last week, Chris Nessie asked, Hey, what format is the audio in? It's 128 stereo? And then do they offer 301 redirects? And yes, they do. Because behind the scenes, it's actually using Lipson five. So is what's going to that but this is what Lipson studio is, it's if you want to check it out, Lipson studio.com, it's free. And I made an episode, just to play with it. And if I go in here, what you do is you basically go in, here's this one episode, and you kind of just go in and say, Okay, here's the name of the Did I spell it wrong, it did spell there's a little hula, but you can put your episode number and in your description, and then you plan your episode. And so you've given it a name and then they have these built in chapters. So like right now on the screen it says intro opener main character, main character main chapter call to action, closer outro you can move these around, you can delete them, you can add your own. And you basically just come over here and record whatever it is so on the intro, this is something I recorded before and if I click a button here I think I'll be interested to see if I can I cannot I cannot turn off maybe I can turn off the mix of minus here. So you guys can hear this survey said Yeah, so Jim if you get but what's interesting is you can actually have it mix music so

David Jackson  44:06  
welcome to the podcast trailer show where we help you find your next favorite podcast. This show is brought to you by the School of podcasting COMM And Adri dot i o and that's basically that section and then you go to the next thing and the next thing the next thing and eventually you can stitch these all together you can see where it says assemble episode but here is I don't know if there's a fast forward on this I don't really want to listen to me do the intro again. Apparently come to the podcast trailer show where we help you find your next favorite podcast. This show is brought to you by the School of podcasting COMM And Adri dot i Oh and, of course maybe this podcast is public by your friends at Libsyn studio where we get your voice heard everywhere, thinking about starting a podcast, do it today for free at Lipson studio.com. Now it's really cool that that's my voice. But you're gonna hear my voice on every single Lipson studio pod and bring your podcast to life. And then the next to the podcast trailer Show. I'm your host, Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting comm. Today, we're starting things off with something a little spooky, it's the big seance podcast, you can find them at Big seance.com. And of course, we'll have a link out at podcast trailer show.com And then the trailer. So you get the idea. It just plays by in it stitches them all together, and that whole nine yards. And then at the end, it has, I think another plug for at the end. It's like this podcast was made to you by Libsyn. Studio. So that seems to be something that's, you know, I haven't seen spooler yet. But the, when somebody described it, they go, Oh, you just upload a bunch of chunks and put them together. And I was like, Oh, so you know, that's free right now, I'll be interested to see that's also in beta. I should mention that. So it's not set in stone exactly how that's gonna work. But it's, it's an easy way to record. I have yet to try that on a phone yet, though. Because to me, if this was going to be kind of a, an anchor, true competitor would have to work on a phone. So. So that answers those questions. Mark says he's got a new question. Can you show us how to slow down the music like you use at the end? Ah, I can't. The reason for that is I did that in Adobe Audition. And I don't have Adobe Audition on this machine right now. Otherwise, I would I forget the effect. But you basically highlight it. And I can't remember what the effect was called. But you highlight the section you want to slow down, you pick the effect, and then you do choose how much of a change you want to do. It's not pitch. It's it might be speed or something like that. But what he's talking about is at the end, it's like, go tell some more. Oh, and I did that in Adobe Audition. So that's the only thing I definitely have that effect. I don't think so. I remember, I found it in echoing again. Oh, thank you. There we go. And so it's uh, but that's, I don't use Adobe Audition. In fact, I'm, I'm in the process of kind of revamping the school of podcasting. And, you know, people use Audacity, I'm finding a few more students that have used audition. And they're moving to Hindenburg, because audition does have cool features like that. But I've used that once in 17 years. You know what I mean? It's in, like, audition has the ability, if I wanted to have a sound effect, where the plane flew from the left headphone, to the right, I could do that in Adobe Audition. I can't do that. In Hindenburg. I might be able to do that in Audacity. But yeah, I did that in Audition. I forget. I wish I remember what the name of it was, but I don't really use audition. And it's kind of funny because I love the

David Jackson  48:19  
Oh, multiband compressor. And you turn that on and choose broadcasting. And you just sound like it's like butter for your ears. So I could actually sound a little better if I used audition. I just for me Hindenburg is so easy. And that whole nine yards. And Kim makes a great point. Dave is always updating the school. But yeah, it's I've been making much greater strides because it dawned on me that I want to do that before the end of 2021. And it is now March 2022. And I was like, I need to get off my button and do these. So I've been doing I just did a video. Go ahead and go ahead. No, I just did a video on squad cast. Because I dawned on me I went into like how to record a remote interview and there was a ton of stuff in there about Skype. And I was like, wow, there's no squad cast tutorial. And then I made one for I there was one for zoom, but it was kind of outdated. So because there are things you can do in zoom, you can turn on the original audio, you can tell it to not remove sound from the background because that kind of makes you sound squirrely. And you can turn off there's a setting for music. So you can so basically when you turn that on some of the things it's doing to kind of fix your audio because it's assuming you're talking into a laptop microphone to on a business meeting. It makes it better it's still not going to be as good as squad cast or any of those tools. But it does make the audio in zoom sound a little more clear. So I made a tutorial on that and the thing that kills me is I have to redo it, because I explained how not to turn on echo cancellation Because again, that can kind of have a negative effect on your audio. And you only needed if people aren't wearing headphones. And I just explained to always have people wear headphones. And in the video, I, in the process of of talking about it, I click it. And so I just say, so be sure this is off. And then I leave that screen with it checked. And I was like, I can just hear the emails going. Dave, you said to not check it, but in the video you did. And I was like, and I'm like, I'm watching it back like, oh, you idiot. So that's always fun. So

Jim Collison  50:33  
change tempo, I think is what you're looking for that density? Oh, that might be a can do an audacity to probably the same? It's probably the same thing. In addition, similar.

David Jackson  50:44  
Yeah. And you just select a section was the

Jim Collison  50:47  
highlight it change tempo, it'll say what do you want to change, you take it from infinity to zero or whatever, whatever. Yes. And then I mentioned we were the thing of both the ability to change it without changing the pitch, right. So in your case, you're changing the pitch to get that that effect of the record player slow ring, you're changing the pitch, you can change speed. And that will and that will not affect the pitch. So the pitch won't change, but it'll slow down the audio there.

David Jackson  51:16  
There's options. Yeah, there's a cool feature in Hindenburg that lets you change the duration. So if you have like a 32nd, commercial, you find the perfect music, and it's like 32 seconds, you can think it's shift, and then you drag the arrow or something like that. But you can actually do that. And if you're not stretching it too much, it doesn't sound like and now you because you can do that with a voice too. If you have somebody who talks really, really fast, you want to slow down what they're saying, cuz you can understand what they're saying. You can actually go in and stretch them out a bit. But there's definitely limiting returns when you when you start to stretch it too much. It starts to sound wonky? Well,

Jim Collison  51:54  
yeah, and that'd be the perfect example of slowing someone down without affecting their pitch, right, because you don't want all of a sudden, you know, because they're going slower, their pitch is gonna drop, you want to keep the pitch the same, you just want to stretch it out a little bit. So you have both options there.

David Jackson  52:09  
Yeah, that is the best feature ever for musicians. Because now I don't have to I used to be in the, in the past, if I wanted to slow something down, I had to retune my guitar to match the slow down thing. And now you can just go in I was like, ah, these kids in a day. And they're tools. They didn't even have to put the needle on the record each. So that's always fun.

Jim Collison  52:28  
I thought you were going the auto tune route on that one? Well, yeah,

David Jackson  52:30  
you don't have to sing either. I mean, that's the old Britney Spears joke. What did the engineers say to Britney Spears? That was awful. Get in here because they can fix it later. On auto tune,

Jim Collison  52:43  
there's that one video of the of the before the days of auto tune where the you know, there's the performer is in it singing and what you're hearing this perfect pitch. And the engineer is just twisting and turning and spinning and moving to make it sound that way. And then they circle around into the booth and you hear what it actually sounds like and it's somebody just wailing, basically get the deal. And that song gets done in the engineers like, Well, today, you can just auto just run that most of it. You can't make garbage, right. But a lot of folks, you just run that through auto

David Jackson  53:19  
tune. One of the things I love is the there's these YouTube videos, I always wonder how they got the original recording. But they'll be somebody that like the one is this Ken Tamplin Vocal Academy. And Ken is amazing. Like he can sing so high that only dogs can hear. And he has this whole teaching thing. And he somehow got the master recordings of Boston. And so it's the guy in Boston could really sing. And what's weird is all those harmony vocals and stuff like that. And he isolated the one what was interesting about it is it wasn't a lot, but it definitely was flat. The guy was hitting a slightly wrong note. And it was just one of those. He's like, You know what, you know, people want things to be perfect. And he goes granted, while this guy's hitting this note that guitar solos like already grabbing your attention and things like that. He goes, but that's flat. He goes, he goes so kudos to this guy. Because you know, this was an auto tune. It's not that he hit a lower note and they sped it up or whatever. And I just thought that was interesting. I was like, because now I can't unhear it when I hear the song. I was like, yeah, there's that flat note again. Yeah, so, but I'm thinking

Jim Collison  54:33  
that stop it. Yeah. I had a I had

David Jackson  54:37  
a question. Let me see. Make sure there's nothing. What are your thoughts on arms? Because it's interesting. I'm putting out an episode this week. And this guy is definitely he's on the he's on Team people say um, and I get that. But he was saying, well, I'll just stop there. What so what are your thoughts on on? Do you like when you do an interview? Do you go back and read Remove them, or

Jim Collison  55:02  
only if I'm there. Uh, only if I only if I'm asked to not generally know, most people don't say it as much as you think they do until you're looking for it, then once you start listening for it, they're like, oh, this person said, Well, that, actually we all say it a lot. It's part of the if you're, if you're just recording conversation, you're gonna pick up a lot of them. We don't put them in our transcripts. So when we go through, we take that we take those out, so we don't include those in our transcripts. But I don't I don't generally edit them out of the audio. Because I don't think most people do it enough that it really matters.

David Jackson  55:42  
That's it. To me, that's when I really do is if I have somebody who's just an a machine. Now, do you listen back to your episode? Or if you're like when you're done, and you're like, Okay, we're done. Nothing caught on fire, we're good to go? Or do you actually go back and edit it in any way? Or?

Jim Collison  56:00  
Well, depends on so at work, I have an editor that does it for me. But I'll go back and re listen to those. Yeah, go back and listen to him to see how I did. Like, can I improve on that? How did that sound? Those kinds of things, I go back and listen to us, from time to time to see what was like, and yeah. And, you know, I like to give it I tell people, when they're like when I have a monitor guest I say don't go back and listen to it today. There's something about sleeping on it. It's the same effect that you get when you've written a paper and you go overnight, and you come back to the paper the next day. And all of a sudden, you see all the errors. You couldn't see him the day before for some reason. But you see him the next day, our brains do some things overnight, I think they reset and they move some memory stuff around. And there's some things going on our brain, I think the same effect holds true to go back and listen to your audio. If you record something, give it 24 hours or the next day, sleep on it, then come back and listen to it again. I think you hear it a little bit differently. It's better than you think. But you hear more of the errors. And it's just, it gives you kind of a clean, you know, like a clean way to come back. I tell people all the time, I'll have a guest on and I'm like, Hey, I'm gonna send you the link to the live but don't listen to it till tomorrow. Like really? Like, yeah, they're like, why and like, I don't know, just don't just don't do it. Because they told you to. It's just better, you'll trust me, it'll be better if you if you just wait till the next

David Jackson  57:25  
day. Well, it's funny because I, I'm listening back to this interview. And as I listen, if I hear a what I call a low hanging, um, so low hanging, um, is when somebody goes to start a sentence and they go, um, the next sentence starts like this, I will remove that, oh, if I hear it, because it's literally like removing. If you're in Microsoft Word, you highlight the word and press Delete. So if I see that I will remove it. That's how I do but I always I have a weird thing. When I edit, I mark the beginning of the question and the end of the answer. And then look at that and go does that bring? Like does that help? And the other thing I'm going to talk about this in my next episode, I finally found a good one of me. Like just butchering the question. And I'm like, so because I asked him I go, because we're talking about teasing, like a good tease. And I said, because sometimes I do this and blah, blah, blah, but he didn't give me a background background background? Or is there any kind of formula do a good tease? And I was like, You know what, all we really need is, is there a good formula to a good tease? I'm like, we don't need all this stuff. And why I'm asking you this question. I was like, that's the kind of stuff that I A lot of times will remove. But I was just wondering, because he for some reason, thought I was letting all the arms come through. And I'm like, actually, no, I'm kind of more of a, because I listen to the whole thing. And if I hear it, and it's low hanging, I remove it. But it was funny, because he said, um, I removed it. And he said, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, Oh, I just said, because I don't know if you're going to leave that internet and I had to remove that. So I had to actually go and put it back. So

Jim Collison  58:59  
yeah, it's it's six to one half a dozen to the other. One of the things. So yesterday I was on a conference or I was on a call zoom call with some folks who are deaf. And so we had an interpreter. We've been doing some work thinking about how we integrate ASL into Clifton Strengths and some of the some of the work that needs to be done there. So we're having some early meetings on it. So as I'm watching this interpreter, interpret me. I realize, actually I speak English terrible sentence sentences. I'm all over the place. I mean, we don't you know, we definitely don't speak like we write in and so I'm watching this interpreter go through all these these gyrations of interpreting me. Like, man, I'm a terrible speaker. I am awful. In this context, I felt I got off the call. I felt really bad. I just think what if I do this for a living? I am awful. So those kinds of things can sometimes bring to light you especially if you're editing if you go back and edit yourself. And you're like, Oh, God, I am terrible. Well, yeah, you are. But you're also hyper hyper critical of yourself. Yeah. So relax a little bit. You're not as bad as you think you are. But you're probably worse than you should be. So there's always room for improvement. You can always get better at this. There's always room you know, you should you should be listening to yourself. If you're not, you probably get some room for I know, it's hard to get past it. Listen to yourself and go, Yeah, I can get better at that.

David Jackson  1:00:34  
Yeah, that's something that I do. I try to, especially now if you have like an old catalogue, go back and listen to something you did a year ago. That's, that's a weird because I don't think my voice changes. And I'm definitely my voice is deeper now, which I by the time I'm 80, I'm gonna sound like James Earl Jones will be like, Whoa,

Jim Collison  1:00:55  
just more relaxed. This is the thing when we first start podcasting, we we tense up during those recording sessions, and so that, that stress naturally makes our pitch higher. Well, you get more comfortable with this and you settle in and you smoke a few packs of cigarettes or whatever, and then you start recording. And it just, it just drops it naturally. I think everybody I've ever I've ever edited I've ever worked with I've ever talked to I've ever listened to their older stuff is always higher pitched because I think they're, they're a little more. And I think there is some natural as we get older, I think are the vocal cords get a little bit looser.

David Jackson  1:01:33  
Well, I walked in. I was listening to I'll walk into my kitchen and I'll have the woman in the tube start playing Howard Stern. And he was talking to some woman. And she's talking about a line of candles that she's coming out with and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, Who was he talking to? Like, this is kind of a weird interview. And she's going on and on and butter die and stuff like that. Turns out it's Courtney Cox from friends. And I was like, That's Monica. I was like, okay, her voice has changed since the days. Her face. Yeah, well, but she I guess she has a new show out, you know, so she's out promoting it, but I was just it's weird when you're, I guess you know, Doug. Dave, you're used to seeing her on TV. Yeah. So the voice matches the face. And yeah, I just was like, wow, that's Courtney Cox. Okay. Yeah. Kim says I've gotten better at not saying and, yeah, and, and that was one of my, and you just have to get used to she said that, or I'm getting better editing it. I missed the days of descript when it first came out. And it had that removed filler words, because the list of filler words was not that long. And you could actually I did it a couple of times. I'm like, Hey, remove all the filler words. And it's like, Hey, I removed 270 filler words, and you're like, holy cow. Now it removes, if somebody says something like, like this thing, it'll remove a double word. And I did it once and then listened back and I was like, Oh, crap, there's an edit there. That doesn't make any sense. And then going back. And so to me, if I have to listen to every edit, to approve it, or I'm just going to do it in the way I used to do it. I don't district kind of drives me nuts. It's, it's got some really cool stuff in it. But the fact that I have to wait for it to transcribe anything before I can edit it is like, it just seems like it takes forever, especially if it's a 90 minute show like this, I can go make lunch and come back and like, oh, it's finally done. So it's got its pros and cons. The The other thing I wanted to talk about, and I'm gonna steal this from, from Robin Todd, they were talking about feed drops, which if you're not familiar with what that is, that's where someone will take an episode from another show, and put it in their show. And for me, if you do that, you should probably put something at the beginning where you kind of introduce the episode, why you're doing this. And here it is. And Todd's question was, why wouldn't you just put like a 62nd promo? And I was like, That's a good question. He's like, because Todd thought it was rude to basically cram somebody else's episode, even if it's a good fit down, like they tuned in for your show. And you're like, hey, enjoy this other thing. And I was like, it's an interesting thing, because I did that with with evil recently, because EVO would let me host his show. And he's like, Hey, I'm testing this. Would you be interested in letting me you know, can you do a feed drop? And I'm like, Yeah, can I do it? Like, I don't want you to take over my episode. But I'll do it on like a Wednesday, and kind of like, Hey, here's a bonus content, check out my friend. And I don't know, what are your thoughts on that, Jim?

Jim Collison  1:04:42  
Yeah, I don't know if I've got too many on that. Yeah. You know, it's kind of it's trying to think through how do i What do I don't know, I have to I have to think about

David Jackson  1:04:52  
well, for me, I cuz I stepped back and I was like, Okay, I've heard promos. And I've heard you know where people play a full episode in that and I was like I don't think a I've ever left. Like I've never added that, like I haven't picked up a show. Even though in theory, it's either the same because you want to do that with somebody who either shares the same subject, or the same audience. And because Scott Johnson is great at this, you'll find and Scott does his due diligence, he makes sure it's a good show, and yada yada, yada. And I might, but yet I've never gone to listen to any show that Scott has recommended. And which brings me to another link I had. Tom Webster, is added, again, over at Edison Research, where they just came out with a report on what they're calling super listeners, do you know what a super listener is? Hmm, how many hours do you think do you have to listen to to be a super little

Jim Collison  1:05:48  
that kind of eight? It's actually eight a week.

David Jackson  1:05:51  
It's like, well, I see. He doesn't say how long? It's only five hours. But so I guess if you had eight, eight short shows that were on many hours, yeah. Okay. So yeah. So it's five hours is ever more per day? Per the, I think it is per day, five or more hours. Yeah,

Jim Collison  1:06:12  
podcasting per day.

David Jackson  1:06:13  
But what's interesting in that study, is he talks about if somebody leaves and goes to a paid exclusive content, would you follow them? Want to guess how many people would?

Jim Collison  1:06:28  
It's 37%? See, that's,

David Jackson  1:06:30  
that's what I would have thought it was. It was like 83% Oh, wow. And I was like, and they so he said, what that really shows is the how tuned in people are to the host. So if we're talking about how I'm tying this into fi drops, is you can show me a really cool show. But again, I'm kind of loyal to the original host.

Jim Collison  1:06:55  
So radio lab does this all the time, they they drop in? No, they'll be like, hey, we want you to you know, they did a series, Jad did a series called more perfect that was about the Supreme Court. And he was dropping in that in the radio lab all the time, they kept two or three times a year, they'd be like, hey, we want you to listen to this episode. And they just, you know, they start and then you drop it in. I know it'd be interesting to see I would listen to him, you know, cuz I was always it was it was similar. Different content similarly produced, you know, they're highly produced, right, and they're on Radiolab

David Jackson  1:07:30  
I, so I listen to it. Are you still listening to Radio lab these days?

Jim Collison  1:07:34  
I haven't not as much. Not not, they've completely changed, right. Both Robert and Chad, Jad, Jad. There it is Chad are gone. And they have some new producers. Not that it hasn't changed. I just it hasn't. I only have so much time to listen to podcasts lately, because I'm not commuting as much. And that kind of dropped the bottom.

David Jackson  1:07:52  
That was gonna be my other question when we're talking about these feed drops. how full is your podcast cup? Yeah. Because right now, if I'm going to listen, like I have, I got a thing from Audible. They're like, Dude, you have five credits available. Like go listen to a book. And if I go and listen to an actual audio book, I come back, and I've got so many podcasts, because it takes me three or four days to listen to a book. And when I come back, I'm like, I mean, I have 74 episodes now that I have to listen to. And so I think that's the thing. It's like, you know, for you to really take on a new show that you want to listen to you like, Oh, this is great. He kind of got a bump somebody out, which I think is one of the reasons why growing your show now is maybe a little harder than it was 10 years ago, because 10 years ago, I don't think we had super listeners that were just consuming all day we might have they were just but there weren't that many shows to listen to. So now, if you're gonna get into somebodies repertoire of podcasts, they've probably already listened to enough they're like I can't take on anymore. I don't know. That's a good question of the month. I'll have to ask that.

Jim Collison  1:09:06  
It would be good when the survey with your with your listeners, you know, you know, I listened to like I loved what Mike Rowe was doing on his Are you still listening? No. Cuz he went it went from short minutes to eight hours. Yeah, I quit. You know, you're like, Mike, I don't. You jumped the shark on this one. I don't. I'm not I don't care about your producer. Like no, he's your buddy. Yeah, that was no you wanted to go longer, but I don't care about him. I you know, that show

David Jackson  1:09:33  
is the epitome of me saying nobody cares how the sausage was made. Because that's what he's doing. He's like, here's how we made this episode. I don't really know. I wish he didn't

Jim Collison  1:09:46  
be working, though. Cuz I think he's still doing it.

David Jackson  1:09:49  
He's still doing it.

Jim Collison  1:09:50  
He must be still getting some notes. There must be people who like it. I wasn't one.

David Jackson  1:09:54  
Now. You know, I was very vocal in his group and a couple other places like please go back Yeah, well so I just

Jim Collison  1:10:02  
to be fair, he does it in a way where the content we use listen to is up front so you can listen to it and then drop the rest of the episode and and I mean, so you could you can kind of self select out of that thing if you want to and still get the content you used to get I just didn't, you know got longer and longer and I was just like no not I didn't I didn't want to listen to that now put it in another feed. Yeah, that's it started another

David Jackson  1:10:31  
show. Yeah. KIM craggy Of course, Toastmasters one on one dotnet people talking about getting rid of your nose and arms and things like that. So check out Toastmasters one on one.net and look up your local Toastmasters. I

Jim Collison  1:10:46  
went to a media you can you can rework that stuff out of your vocab. Yeah, you know, it takes it takes time and practice and constant like reminder. And you know, you got to train it out. But you can.

David Jackson  1:10:57  
Yeah, Mark says he does the same thing with audiobooks. I listen to one when I run out a podcast. And once I'm done with the audiobook, I have 5060 hours of podcasts. People just weird. I'm driving to Nashville. That's a seven hour drive. And if somebody ever asked me, How long will you drive to go some seven hours is where I'm starting to go. Are we there yet? I like I'm not completely frustrated. But I'm like, Alright, I'm ready to get up and walk around. And one of the reasons I love to drive is I get to listen to seven hours of podcasts. And it's interesting, because you would think seven hours, like I would get done and I'd be out and I'm like, No, I think I have 120 episodes waiting for me right now. So it's, I am looking forward to that because it's in the other thing is if I have to get up at four in the morning, to drive to Cleveland, so I can be there three hours before the plane takes off. And the other thing that just drives me nuts, and it's so weird, the fact that I have to take off my shoes, because some weird underwear bomber 15 years ago. I go okay, got it. And then, and then I sit and then I wait and then the plane and then the slide that's like and then I gotta go get my it's like, you know, I just can't, I would much rather drive. It's by the time I drive to Cleveland fly, get there, get my luggage, get an Uber and then get to the hotel. It's gonna be seven hours anyway. So I'm looking for

Jim Collison  1:12:24  
you get there with your car, although I mean gas prices being what they are. Well, yeah.

David Jackson  1:12:28  
And then the other thing is, is is it used to be cheaper, and it's probably not and then to pay for parking at a hotel. I don't understand where that came from, besides the fact that we can charge you a million dollars to park here because we can because you're here what are you going to do? So that's always stay in another hotel? Yeah, that's it or find a parking lot that's near the hotel that's not $80 a day or something like that go

Jim Collison  1:12:57  
park at that airport, then take a shuttle back.

David Jackson  1:13:01  
That's it. That's what I need to do. Oh, man. Another question. I've never heard of this. This was in Facebook. Anyone familiar with pod people? Do they charge if they are recruiting you to be part of their community network? And this is just one of those things again, talking about old, old things that are seem new. i There are so many I got a guy I could probably want to week somebody pops up on Facebook. Hello, sir. Like right there. I know. Mike, look, it's Facebook, you know, my name is Dave. And they're going to help me grow my audience and blah, blah, blah. And I know you're not block. And so for me any kind of community network. I always say ask somebody that's in the community. And if the if the goal is to grow your audience, ask them what their numbers were before they joined and what their numbers were after they join. So Fred wants to know, am I going to be attending or demonstrating at pm evolutions? I'm going to be attending. I am not demonstrate while I'll be at the Lipson booth, so I'll be demonstrating there but kind of a weird thing it was. I took a hit to the ego. This is the first year that I because usually you're right you have to present you have Podcast Movement, Podcast Movement evolutions, and if I didn't speak at Podcast Movement, I was speaking evolution. So sometime during that year, I would I could say, I've spoken every year Podcast Movement until this year, so and what's weird is I heard Dan say that they are at the podcast evolutions. They're kind of showing things that are coming up in the future and I'm like, I submitted a crypto like presentation. So yeah, so the ego took a little little hit there but on the other hand, I don't have to worry about speaking pockets movement evolutions. 10 minutes. Yeah, so it is kind of nice. But yeah, I will be there. So that's and from understand they're in a they're in a better Part of Los Angeles than they were at the one two years ago.

Jim Collison  1:15:04  
But I am Dan was just on the new media show. Yeah. So if you want to get some, you want to get some updates. Dan, is Dan's really good at doing this? Yeah, he gave a lot of information in a short amount of time on the real relatively short on the new media show. So if you're thinking about that, go, go listen to rob and Todd on that episode.

David Jackson  1:15:22  
Yeah. And for all you people to think Dave gets to speak anywhere he wants. No, not the case.

Jim Collison  1:15:28  
Apparently, Todd as well, cuz Todd didn't get asked. Either to speak. He mentioned that on the show. He was like, Yeah, I'm not speaking. It'll, it'll be nice just to go to it.

David Jackson  1:15:37  
Yeah. So that is a bonus. Because I know this thing at NRB. I've been working on this now for two weeks. And it's really it's kind of weird, because it's the same presentation. But I just I'm always, what I do is I run it enough towards not memorized. But once I get consistently what's on the next thing, I can start, I start getting ideas of how to make it funny, and entertaining. So that's always fun. But we have, how are we doing on time? Good. All right. So I'm trying to can you read that Jim?

Jim Collison  1:16:10  
Any RNA RNA? Yes. So there's no R in there any? Any? So pronounce it for us?

David Jackson  1:16:16  
Yes, please.

Jim Collison  1:16:20  
It's Ani. There we go. I was trying to put an RNN I don't know why. Welcome.

David Jackson  1:16:26  
Yeah. How are you? What can we help you with?

Unknown Speaker  1:16:30  
I'm actually I've been trying to figure out how to get on here. I am not tech savvy. So sorry. Took me a minute. I made

David Jackson  1:16:36  
it. So that's what's going on. There you go.

Unknown Speaker  1:16:43  
Yeah, I have been actually watching Jim do pod do strengths podcast through Clifton, for several years now at least.

Jim Collison  1:16:54  
Great. Thanks for listening. Appreciate it. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  1:16:57  
And I've been thinking about doing a podcast and been asked to like do podcasts and I've been asked to be on podcasts. I've been on a few. And so when I saw that you're going to check it out.

David Jackson  1:17:10  
Yeah, so when people say you should do a podcast? Like what are you doing that they go, oh, you should make this a podcast.

Unknown Speaker  1:17:22  
Um, I am a woman of color working in systems level food systems development, and advocacy, based in justice and equity, sustainability and diversity. So in the Midwest,

David Jackson  1:17:40  
so is it? Is it safe to say that your community is underserved, and nobody's talking about the things that you want to talk about?

Unknown Speaker  1:17:53  
It's a little more complex data than that, okay. Because it's understanding, you know, underserved doesn't just happen. It's understanding how it came to happen, why it exists, and what it's doing and the impacts of that in a day to day basis, and then all of the different things that intersect with it, that's why I do systems level. I'm also autistic. Um, so like, that's my thing. Um, oh, also. So my top five are ideation, futuristic, in, yeah. intellection input and connectedness. And I just found something from one of my trainings. And I think it was something that I saw on one of your podcast, my alternative words that I've been using for is also like possibilities, hope, understanding collection and purpose. Yeah. Yeah. And so like, that fits really well with working on systems stuff. Yeah.

Jim Collison  1:18:57  
Well, in so from starting a podcast, like, I mean, you're in a perfect spot to do that, right. And it's really about transferring that information that you know, to someone else, and the audience that you're going to have, much like we do in the strengths world, right, that audience that you're going to have, it's going to be really, really niche. So you're not, it's not a podcast necessarily designed for the masses, there may be some opportunities where getting it out to the masses from an education standpoint would be helpful are Clifton Strengths stuff. For those folks outside of the ecosystem can be helpful from time to time, but of course, it's more helpful for those who are interested in it, right, who follow it or who have their top five. But from a from a podcast perspective, go ahead. Go ahead.

Unknown Speaker  1:19:44  
Um, yeah, actually, the other thing that I kind of specialize in is the Farm Bill, and policy and we're actually ramping up for from Bill session, you know, for most 2023 and it's a massive piece of luggage. deflation in policy that impacts literally every aspect of everybody's life. And that is just not understood. And people. I mean, I'm kind of I mean, Farm Bill wonk, I guess is what you might call it, like, It's my little special obsession. And I get super excited about talking about the farm bill, because I never understood it until I got selected for a fellowship in DC back in 2018, with an organization called Benzac, that is on Capitol Hill, the National Sustainable Agriculture Coalition. And so like, it was like, from the back hills, you know, Midwest, Indiana, to the Capitol working on this thing, and it was like, you know, right into the kiln of things, but getting to actually see and understand all the different parts of it. And if I can understand it, and be excited about it, like, it's like, you're interested in some part of the Farm Bill, and you're going to hear about it, it's just we have to have conversation throughout what it is. And so I've been lucky enough to be friends with a couple of people that are really awesome, older, like, economist and stuff, and to like Dr. Akers already has a podcast. And he's asked if I want to be a guest on his podcast, and other people have asked me if I you know, want to do a podcast, you know, talking about the farm bill, and like, how it's important to everybody and stuff. And, you know, figuring out how to structure that I guess, I don't know. Sorry.

Jim Collison  1:21:33  
Yeah. So what's, what's that? No, no, what's stopping you from from starting a podcast? Like, what's the, what's the hurdle right now, that stopping you from starting a podcast?

Unknown Speaker  1:21:46  
I'm doing it by myself.

Jim Collison  1:21:51  
Okay. So is there someone else that you can? Is there someone you can do it with? Can you get a co host? You know, Dave, and I do this thing together? It's kind of nice to have somebody else to do it with? Is there someone in your world that would do it with you?

Unknown Speaker  1:22:06  
Well, that's actually why I jumped on here to watch this because I was, you know, thinking about that, and looking at, you know, different people and reaching out and trying to figure out what I thought would be a good model for your podcast, I think I'm probably one of the super listeners that you guys were talking about? Because, like, Yes, I'm still on Spotify. But that's just because I put, I've invested way too much into my playlists. And, you know, my, I mean, the algorithms on there are the reason that I'm on Spotify. And like, other political stuff aside, you know, I have sensory issues and listening to like podcasts and music and stuff, like, that helps me function. And so I'm literally listening to something almost all day long. So I have I actually, to your point, I am a super listener that does actually listen to podcasts that they've dropped into feeds of other shows. Because I've checked them out, and they're interesting. And an example of that would be my anycast, the new next new thing and me, I think, and you know, that was just like one of the other news ones that I was listening to, and, sorry,

Jim Collison  1:23:21  
the name of that one again, because you cut out when you were when you were saying, what's the name of that podcast?

Unknown Speaker  1:23:28  
Um, was it the next? Next Big Thing in money or next? new thing in money? Okay.

Jim Collison  1:23:33  
Okay. Well, it's so do your question really focuses on you, though, right? So it's focusing on should you start a podcast? Or should, how should you do that? And I think, if you're saying to us to Dave, and I, hey, a barrier is his format. What I think you should do is try like, don't start the podcast just yet. Try some different formats with people. Do some conversations, get, you know, use stream yard or zoom or whatever, to just do some practice sessions, like, get with some folks have some conversations. I think a lot of people start, especially in your situation. They start too early thinking they're ready for the podcast, grind some workout on practice, just try some different things with people to see what's working. What do I like doing? How is this how is this fitting together? Dave and I, I mean, we started this podcast on accident, like we were just goofing around, and he was trying some live stuff. And I jumped in and we did it for a couple weeks. And then we're like, hey, maybe we should do this every week, right type deal. So try some things with people you know, and even try some solo stuff. Evaluate it, figure that part out. The rest of it. Once you get that part figured out. The rest of it's pretty easy, where you hosted how you do it some equipment, all that stuff is is relatively easy. Finding your voice finding In your content, that's much harder. Dave, you want to add, you want to add anything to that? Yeah,

David Jackson  1:25:04  
it's just one of those things that the first time I tied my shoes, the first time I tried to shoot a basketball, I wasn't very good at it. And just the more you do it, the more comfortable you get buying a microphone. And you'll just kind of feel like, okay, that seemed to go smooth. And I like the way that worked. And especially if you find a format, and you're like, oh, this took much less editing, and I was able to do it quicker. That's always a bonus. And just realize that you're gonna hate the sound of your voice. And that's based on science. Because when you talk you hear through your ears and your skull, your skull is actually kind of a big subwoofer that makes it bass here than that. So when you listen back to your voice, you're not using your skull anymore. So it's going to sound a little more clear and not as warm. And that's absolutely normal. Because a lot of people like us, that's how I sound like no, that's, that's how you like, nobody's hanging up on you, when you call them on the phone. Your voice is fine. You know, so

Jim Collison  1:26:02  
Yeah, everybody's voice is actually listable. And then, like, when you're ready, don't be afraid to start and pivot. Like if you if you start doing some things, and you're like, Oh, this isn't really working out, just pivot in the in the process. But listen, I've heard you talk in this context in that's not gonna ask the

Unknown Speaker  1:26:19  
question, actually, yeah, well, it's less, it's less my voice. It's just like, I don't have to be on for reason. That's fine. You know, like, but I feel like the visual aspect is important. Because there are some times that I do want to show stuff, like, I'm in like, my little semi greenhouse and whatnot. And, you know, sometimes this is, you know, a good place to do stuff, but I don't have a good fallback for like, um, I don't know, like a basic not me, but visually engaging, you know, something that people can be looking at now, while I'm talking, Jim, for years,

David Jackson  1:26:57  
was podcasting in front of a pile of skis? Yeah, and I mean, it didn't look bad. It looked cool. And it was something in the background, but I think people put, and this is could be just me, because I know I obsess over what to put back here. And I was like, if you put too much stuff back there, then people are like, wait, what book is that on Jim's book? If I try to read it? Can we zoom in there? Hopefully your content is making people look at you. Not so much the content

Jim Collison  1:27:25  
in it doesn't have to be video either. Yeah, I was gonna say you, right. You don't have to we choose to do it this way. Because it's convenient. But it doesn't you don't have to? Doesn't have to be done that way. Yeah, I don't know if that answer your question.

Unknown Speaker  1:27:41  
Yeah, well, it's, it's, it's, it's not the background too much. It's just, I'm self conscious. And I don't necessarily want to put my face out there and be like, then don't recognized and stuff. You know, plus, I'm used to being, you know, written off because of my appearance. And it's like, yeah, I don't then want people to pay attention to the content not. Yeah, what my hair looks like today, or makeup on? Yeah,

Jim Collison  1:28:07  
no, just don't do it that way. Don't don't make the video. Like don't make video available. You can record it, by the way, you can record it this way. Because I, I think, when you're interacting with a co host, I think seeing their video is helpful. Like I would really I'm missing your facial expressions. And I'd really like to see him to interview you. It's, I don't feel like I'm being as effective. I can't read your social cues. I don't know when we're interrupting. And when we're not. We're having some audio we're getting a little bit of audio skipping from you. So like, that's hard for me. But that doesn't mean because your videos on or that you have to have video you have to publish the video. Right? You can do this and make it audio only be just fine. Yeah, video

David Jackson  1:28:51  
stuff comes in really handy. Because that's what we do this show. We basically record it live here. And then the the major part of my audience listens to the audio of this. I do throw it on YouTube. But if I didn't want to I could just not put it on YouTube. But the the video cool thing was is you came on and I just knee jerk reaction, I started asking questions. And I was like, oh, you know what, that was dumb. This is like, this is something that listens to Jim, Jim should be driving this part of the conversation. So I just moved. I purposely backed away from the microphone to kind of give the signal Hey, Jim, like, jump in here and take over and he did it perfectly. So that's the advantage of of having videos, you can tell when someone is giving you some sort of physical signal of like, I'm done with this point. Now. You jump in. Here we go.

Jim Collison  1:29:41  
Yeah, we can see you now. Yeah. Yeah, thanks for doing that. It's it's most helpful. Although it may cause like now that you turn your video on, depending on your bandwidth, it may cause audio issues, so we'll just have to see how that goes. But great to see you. Oh,

Unknown Speaker  1:29:57  
normally Hi. Nice to see you. Normally When I do video calls and stuff like that, I put it on my pod or on my iPad, and then I do the audio actually on my business phone. And right now, I'm just on my main phone. And that's because I was having a hard time getting the business when I think I need to, like, update something. I don't use that much, though.

Jim Collison  1:30:19  
Well, you may have some, you know, if you're gonna do audio and video, we may want to spend a little time just talking about your gear, to make sure that the gear can support proper bandwidth for those. For both those Do you have the right amount of bandwidth for your internet service provider? Can your equipment handle those kinds of things? So there are some just technical things maybe to get worked out in that process where once you get it figured out, you never have to come back to it. But I wouldn't, I would never hesitate on the video side, I'm a video first guy, I do everything video. That's just the way I am. But don't hear a saying you have to do that if you don't want to. That's up to you. That's the beauty of this thing. You decide how you want to do it.

Unknown Speaker  1:31:06  
I've been working on it, because I actually, I spent the last year keeping my head shape. Because I want to just like take the time and like, get to learn who post COVID me is because I feel like everybody's changed so much. And it's like I just intentionally took the time to get rid of you know, a lot of I mean, because I had a lot of hair and issues and whatever. And it's like, that's been a freeing thing. But at the same time, it's like having to reintroduce myself to everybody. So which is both fine and a little nerve wracking?

Jim Collison  1:31:39  
Well, for sure, and listen, you You be you right in the Senate. But but don't don't get me wrong, like I've you know that I get the physical virtual, or the physical appearance thing, the voice thing, whatever. Deal with those, like work through those from from a personal standpoint, we can say, oh, yeah, video is fine. You look great. Don't worry about that. I mean, we can say that, you've got to be okay with that, right? I mean, at the end of the day, you've got to kind of come be like, be comfortable with it from your own standpoint, just because we say it doesn't mean that's true. You've got to be comfortable with it. And for more you're coming with at it. Yeah. This was this helpful at all? I mean, other than

Unknown Speaker  1:32:24  
appearances, though, yeah. But other than appearances, and I have a stand. I just didn't have it out. I wasn't planning on turning on the video. Other than the, you know, appearances and technical part, I'm talking about the FarmBot. I mean, obviously, Dr. Eichert already has a podcast about it. Um, I think I could definitely make it interesting. I'm just, I get stuck on all the different ways because I have lots of different ideas. And it's like,

David Jackson  1:32:55  
write them down.

Unknown Speaker  1:32:57  
Do you have any suggestions or thoughts on how introduce? Yeah,

David Jackson  1:33:02  
yeah, right, Dave, go write them down. And then if there's any kind of Facebook groups, or any kind of communities that are talking about this, see what they're talking about? And then say why they seem to be talking about this subject a lot. Okay, let's make that the first episode, okay, and kind of see what your audience needs to hear. And then there are going to be some things that they're not talking about, but they should because they don't know about it. And that's where you can introduce things like, hey, audience, here's the thing that you may not know, blah, blah, blah. And then that's the stuff in some cases are like, I didn't know why this is why I need to listen to the show. They're giving me things. I can't get other places. So

Jim Collison  1:33:39  
well, and just because there's some other podcast about it doesn't mean I mean, it's different because they don't have you. Right. So like, You be you, you do your thing, you do it your way. You do it the way. Do it the way that's best for you. This is kind of do a strengths based podcast, like figure out what you do best. And then do it in your way that regardless of whether there's some I mean, there's 1000 podcasts about podcasting. Yeah, that doesn't stop Dave and I from coming on every Saturday morning to do this because they don't have us. Like in right Ubu

David Jackson  1:34:12  
Yeah, and if you're worried about being judged, I have really bad news for you. If you've been to Walmart or Target or Kohl's or anyplace else, guess what? You've been judged the person behind you is like liquid, Fruity Pebbles, you know, whatever. It's like they're you're judged everywhere you go.

Jim Collison  1:34:30  
Don't worry about it. Well, that's

Unknown Speaker  1:34:32  
why I say home. My cats are very judgmental. Okay, really? Yeah.

Jim Collison  1:34:37  
Yeah, well, it's, you know, you're gonna put yourself out there in there's gonna be there's gonna be plenty of that. But the trick is to just keep going. Yeah, go ahead.

Unknown Speaker  1:34:48  
Can I put myself out there and tell you what I was thinking about talking about and yes, they are. Sure. So, Doctor i occurred has been very about something he calls Community Food utility. And it's based on the Rural Electrification utilities from, you know, the Great Depression that were chartered for public benefit. And you know, it wasn't about making money, it was about making sure that people who lived in the rural communities not only had electricity extended to them, but then also had their houses retrofitted, so that they could access that network. And then they were dissolved once there was no longer need. And so they're looking at something similar for, like, in it, but he applied that same concept to food. And the Denver County has released something that they're working on, that's a concept of a community food utility. But I've taken it a little bit further, and to what I've been calling a bio, regional resiliency, utility. I know it's a, I got to get the wording down, but it was just a regional resiliency utility. But then when I was talking with a doctor I created, he interjected the bio part because it's about including conservation and regeneration, as well as I'm kind of a bio regional, you know, intersection of the food system in order to secure communities against, you know, larger scale pressures and, you know, challenges, it's going to create a bunch of jobs, and they're all going to be local, and it's, you know, make make local, Eat Local, process local, but also like energy and that sort of stuff. And so breaking down all the different parts of that, I think, is what I would like to do on my podcast, because there's so many different things to talk about. But it's like, I need to have a conversation with somebody who is going to ask me a bunch of questions, so that I can write down, like the questions and then start working on Okay, these are the things that people would want to know. And how can I answer that?

Jim Collison  1:37:01  
Yeah, yeah, well, you've got content. Like I don't, yeah, there's, it's super niche II. And it's going to be a niche of a niche of a niche in a lot of ways, right? And not everybody's gonna understand it. But I think your goal would be to make it if you want, if the more people listen to it, you're gonna have to make it more average person. Right, you're gonna have to translate that to like, why should I care? But as you know,

Unknown Speaker  1:37:27  
yeah. But that's also part of like, being neurodivergent. And autistic, as part of it is like, um, I can't do it, like, average average person. But I do use a lot of metaphors and similes, you know, as examples to connect things. So,

Jim Collison  1:37:45  
yeah, well, it'll just be, it'll be a work in progress, right? You just you just I think you just need to start, you know, you just need to try some things and get some stuff out there and just see, see where it lands.

David Jackson  1:37:58  
And when it comes to the technology, you don't have to release everything you record. When I was a musician, I didn't, I spent six months in the basement, before I actually did anything in public. So you can take this time to shape the ideas and find out what people want and go that route. And, and here's the thing, you're either going to end up with a phenomenal podcast, or a phenomenal story about that one time when you started a podcast. You know, so it's, you know,

Jim Collison  1:38:25  
you got to try though, you just got to try, you just got to get out there and give it a shot.

David Jackson  1:38:29  
But unfortunately, we need we need to end the show because I'm driving to Nashville tomorrow. And my day is jam packed. And we do have if you're an awesome supporter today at one o'clock, you can come ask more questions. We've got that going on. But can you can you come back like in two weeks and give us an update because we're we're not here next Saturday, but we'll be back to Saturday after that.

Unknown Speaker  1:38:53  
I can put it on my calendar. I've got to run anyway, at some degrees in here. And I've got maple trees that I know are overflowing that I need to go empty. I'm tapping I've got my tree and my neighbor's tree tapped. And it's my second year making bourbon maple syrup. So nice. Talking with you guys. Nice to actually meet you. I think I think I linked in. Start your day. If you don't mind. I'll probably find you somewhere.

Jim Collison  1:39:15  
Yeah, absolutely. Sounds great. Thanks for jumping in. Thanks

David Jackson  1:39:19  
so much. Did it?

Jim Collison  1:39:20  
Yep. You bet. Thank you.

David Jackson  1:39:23  
Well, that was fun that it's

Jim Collison  1:39:24  
this was super fun to hear like that. That's a real world struggle. For folks starting podcast. I think sometimes we gloss over that. And that's just a real world scenario of like, yeah, I got I've got a lot of things to say. How do I overcome the obstacles I need to overcome to get this done?

David Jackson  1:39:44  
I was talking with a guy new member the school of podcasting and he said, what's the thing that you have to like, what's the biggest hurdle? He's like, because he was kind of stuck on he was thinking way down the line. He's thinking about website a microphone, I go no, like we haven't even figured out what your topic is yet. I said but it's this the mental I go I swear I'm more psychiatrist than I am. Like, what microphone to buy the microphones and stuff? It's easy. It's the how do I get past the nobody's gonna listen to me and that whole nine yards. So

Jim Collison  1:40:14  
yeah, our own insecurities, right? We all have them and it's how do I get how do I get past those things? Yeah,

David Jackson  1:40:20  
Jim what's coming up on the average guy.tv

Jim Collison  1:40:23  
Young Komarov, who's in our chat room from time to time launched a brand new IT business podcast. We, he's been on the show here to talk about it. He's got it launched. So we had kind of a launch party for him. And we'll be releasing that here in a little bit out at the at the average guy.tv.

David Jackson  1:40:39  
Nice. This week, we have Neil head who came through I took him to Luigis. This guy has a background in copywriting and advertising and he was in radio when he was 14. So he's got we came up with a list of things that podcasters can learn from radio people. That'll be out this week. Next week. You heard me mention audrey.io. I've got the guy from Audrey coming on in a couple of weeks as well. And don't forget no show next week, we will be back on the 19th so thanks to the chat room, thanks to Mark and James and Dan, and we'll see everybody in two weeks

David Jackson  1:41:31  
is it gonna end there it is.

Jim Collison  1:41:33  
It takes a second. So it it takes that

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Nice. This week, we have Neil head who came through I took him to Luigis. This guy has a background in copywriting and advertising and he was in radio when he was 14. So he's got we came up with a list of things that podcasters can learn from radio people. That'll be out this week. Next week. You heard me mention audrey.io. I've got the guy from Audrey coming on in a couple of weeks as well. And don't forget no show next week, we will be back on the 19th so thanks to the chat room, thanks to Mark and James and Dan, and we'll see everybody in two weeks

David Jackson  1:41:31  
is it gonna end there it is.

Jim Collison  1:41:33  
It takes a second. So it it takes that

Transcribed by https://otter.ai