Successful Podcast Strategies for Hyper Niche Markets

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Ask the podcast coach for 03/01/2025.

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Let's get ready to podcast.

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There it is. It's that music. It means it is Saturday morning. It is time for ask the podcast coach where you get your podcast questions answered. Live, I'm Dave Jackson from the schoolofpodcasting.com. And joining me right over there is the one and only Jim Collison from theaverageguy.TV. Jim, how's it going, buddy? Greetings.

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Happy Saturday morning to you, Dave. Always good to be here on Ask the Podcast coach. Happy March to you. Like, it it's one of those where, like, wait. February's over? Oh, didn't we just okay. Alright. I guess we're doing March. Alright. You know? It's weird, which means we're gonna go from cold to windy. So, you know Yeah. Yeah. We had we had big winds here yesterday, so it's it's yep. Spring is on its way, I think. Wow. Okay. It's it's fall spring right now. Let's just be really clear. America, this is fall spring. You're gonna have one more winter before it hits, so don't get too sucked into this. Yeah. Hey. Brian is asking. He's, hey.

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First time in, and I have a question if you would be looking for a question from a we're looking for all questions. We're gonna talk about some quick sponsors.

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We get that out of the way firsthand. Now you can either go to askthepodcastcoach.com/question or if you just wanna throw it in the chat room, either one is fine. But, yeah, it is the the first thing we do, which is always great fun is, you know, Jim loves coffee. He's got an awesome cup over there from our buddy Dan, which we'll talk about in a second, but we do the coffee pour and the coffee pour, which I understand does make people wanna go to the bathroom. That that just the whole just quit doing that. No. I I've got it. No.

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Boy, Dave's having a bad morning. Dave, thanks. Always great to see you in the chat room. How's it going? Hopefully, better than me watching on my wife's laptop.

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I think my hard drive died, so my max down.

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That is not a good way to start the day, my friend. No. I'm sorry.

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I I kind of have a love hate relationship with the whole Elgato stream deck because I when I installed software and I had to reboot it, and then sometimes I just know that if Elgato updates, then you have to update Ecamm or if Ecamm updates, you have to update the and it just seems every now and then I go to push the button to turn my lights off, and it's, nope. Not gonna do it. You know, like, hold on. And then this morning, I rebooted in that whole nine yards. But, yeah, Brian, if you have a question, he says, I cohost the Christian principles podcast.

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Happy to That's what we do. We're both there in chat. Yeah. We are we're very what's the word? Loose here. If somebody said, well, what are we gonna talk about today on the show? I only got a couple things about Skype and some other stuff. But for the most part, we just kinda go wherever the chat room wants to go. And right now, they wanna go where there are warm pop tarts and coffee. So it's Chris from castahead.net pop tarts.

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So good and yet so bad. Is yeah.

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Chris says the first thing I gotta do is click you. I may repurpose that. Yeah. That's you know, it sounds almost like a rap thing.

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Baby wanna click you. You know? Kinda.

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Yeah. Yeah. So and then Chris also says, I do hate the Elgato updates. It creates additional profiles.

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I have 50 empty profiles I need to clean up. Yeah. It's just one of those things where there are times when you kinda go, is it worth it? You know, I kinda I remember when I could turn on my lights, so I had a little remote. I could just go boop. And as long as I didn't lose the remote, I I I was okay.

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And now it's like their time like, the other night, when it first did this, I'm like, hold on. I gotta pull up my phone because I've got the Elgato thing on my phone. And let's let's jump to the everybody's talking about this one. So we had a a question came in. Poor person said, hello. Since I'm not an expert, I wanna ask you if you guys believe this is a good approach to record a Skype call between me and a teacher. I messed around a bit and this is what I came up to. I have OBS. I gotta start recording call blah blah blah to which I said, well, yeah, that's not depending on when you're gonna do it, Skype is shutting down May 5.

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And the thing that was kinda cool about Skype back in the day, man, that was everybody used Skype, which is weird because you had to have a Skype account. And in today's world, that's wait. What you've got? You've got to install the software and create an account. And I remember I had two Skype accounts. So if I had somebody like, what do you mean? I'm like, okay.

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Here. Log in with this email. The password is password one so that they didn't have to set up an account.

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And I know Glenn the Geek still uses it because you could get a Skype out number, and so you could call because sometimes if you get celebrities, they're like, I'm not hopping on. Now they might today. I think everybody's used to Zoom or whatever. But, yeah, Skype is going away May 5. Now here's the thing because we said a while ago, they you know, when Blog Talk Radio was going away in January, and we started talking about that November, And I've had someone in last month that were like, hey. My stuff isn't updating. Then I look in, and their feed is Blog Talk Radio. And I'm like, now I I can't really tell what happened because Blog Talk Radio is owned by the same company that does Spreaker, and I'm not sure if Spreaker could help out with them. It was a weird situation, and the the person I was dealing with wasn't super versed in how a podcast worked. But when somebody says something is going away and they put out a press release saying, this is going away on this date, now is the time if you're using that to find that, and that's where, I guess, if I was looking for something for phones, I would either get a a RodeCaster Duo where I can connect the phone via Bluetooth or the good old fashioned Zoom PodTrak p four, which is interesting because on the side, it uses a TRRS cable, and that just makes it sound like, you know, it was done four million years ago because we've all got either lightning cables. I'm not sure what's coming out of a Android phone these days. Probably USB c when I think about it. USB c. Yeah. USB c. And so you would need a lightning or USB c to TRRS cable and to to get that to work. So, yeah, yeah, feel free to jump in.

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Just go to askthepodcastcoach.com/question. If you have a question, it's that way every week. We don't really mention that a whole lot. I mean, it's written right up here, but you know I need to do we need someone going if you have a question for jim and dave go to askthepodcastcoach.com/question now if you're listening to this after the show you can go to askthepodcastcoach.com/voicemail and leave it there and here's here's something that's interesting in I had that inserted at the end of every show which either means a people aren't listening to the end of the show which could be a possibility but we've never had a voicemail Nobody's ever left a voice mail to where you kinda go, I I don't think the audience wants that. They don't need that. They're either gonna do it live. We occasionally get an email, but yeah. And there he is. Alright. So coming to the stage, it's gonna be Mark from the I think Mark's from is Mark the same guy as the Christian Principles Podcast? He's nodding his head. He is. So we're gonna jump over to this because it looks fun before we do this, and then we're gonna put Mark in the middle like that. So, Mark This has been sketchy. Can you hear us, Mark? So, hopefully, all is well. So we can hear you. So, hopefully, you can hear us.

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Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, you can hear me within a moment. Can you hear me now?

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We can hear you. Yeah. We're we're Cool. Okay. Cool. Picking up the wrong mic, but that's okay. Yeah. I think we're we have the check your mic setting there. If you if you do the old it's Yeah. That's okay. It's it's easy. We can hear you. Yeah. Yeah. You're fine. You're you're super and I appreciate that. So, anyway, I'll I'll be quick and try to mute myself in the tune. I'm like, we are the Christian Principles Podcast. Our super specific audience are Christian school administrators.

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So not not public school administrators who are Christians, but Christian school administrators. So, you know, thousands of Christian schools, we we believe that's where we're called the blah blah blah. Anyway, there is an organization, named the Herzog Foundation that found us and, partnered with us really early. I mean, we're we are, like, a 15 followers between Spotify and Apple. We go twice a week. It's a twenty five minute episode, and we're doing the minutia of schooling. Like, literally, what should the Christian school's chair look like in his office or be like in his or her office? And that that kind of crazy minutia stuff, but stuff that Yeah.

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College college tours and senior trips and things like that.

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Anyway, this organization, the Horzog Foundation, it's out there to give money to see Krishna and grow. One of the things they have done is started to work with their own network of podcasts. So there's the Herzog Foundation network of podcasts, and they give us money per episode, money that we would never have thought would come in per episode. I mean, we didn't do the I'm sure let me say this. As long as we started for the money anyway.

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But we'd never thought we'd be getting this kind of money right now. Yeah.

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We believe that at the moment, our audio, even though I'm representing that very well right now, our audio is where it needs to be.

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Our our cameras are where they need to be since we're mostly on the the audio side anyway. Yeah. My question is sorry for the intro. The question is, if you had a hundred bucks an episode and you felt as though your audio and your video for the moment for your population was where it needed to be, where would you be sticking that money? And assuming that it's not meant to warring pockets, it's meant to grow the it meant to grow the institution which you are celebrating.

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What would you do? Well, if you're gonna use it for advertising, you wanna figure out you the goal is to get podcast listeners.

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So a flyer isn't really a great idea unless you're gonna hand it out to you know what I mean? You that's so a lot of times, people advertise in other apps, or they'll advertise if there's another show that you think has your target audience, then advertise on their show. But that's really one of the ways you you know, because we need listeners is the thing. And so either advertise on an app in the in the Christian, you know, category or something of that nature because you've got audio. You got video. You know? So many people think, oh, I'm gonna take my show to the next level, and I'm gonna go from this $200 microphone to a $400 microphone, and it sounds this much better. And nobody was saying you had bad audio. So it it's, you know, money in your your, you know, pocket sometimes. You're like, oh, I gotta spend this somehow. Jim, what would you do? Chatroom's got some good advice. Save it. I know this is weird, but save it for now. If nothing's screaming at you to to to spend it on, right, from a advertising standpoint. I had an old CFO that taught me this equation, and it's money equals options. And so having some cash in the bank, so to speak, when those things do come out, you because there's always those times when something pops up and you're like, oh, I wish I had$400 or $500. Well, you would in five months. Right? If it's a if if it's a now if you've gotta show results in the first quarter on this money that they're giving you, that's a little bit of a different. Yeah. That's a little different. Right? But I would say in your case, because you're such a hyper niche, I think your audience is hard to find. But they're in They're at conferences.

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They're networked in. That's what I was thinking. For you, if I was gonna spend any money, I would spend money on going to the places where these people are and meeting them face to face and having a podcast card or a QR code or something. Right? They say, hey. We'd love to have you join us. The other thing I might think about doing is if do you guys have guests? Do you bring do you bring do these administrators come on as guests? Or how do you do that? So so we have I don't know know if this is a better I think I tried to change it. We'll see if it works or not. But we have a It's okay. Yeah. And again So this does not reflect on Mark. This is a this is an Ecamm thing. Oh, man. So anyway, we every episode, we spotlight a Christian administrator. So we have a list of we've we just published 74 on Thursday morning. So we've had 74 different Christian ministers spotlighted, and we have maybe we've had maybe 10 to 12 guests come on. Only a couple of them have actually been Christian administrators. Others have been there was a, you know, a military recruiter. There was someone who did the biblical worldview development in Christian schools, all kinds of stuff. But we so so no. But but, yes, we are in every single episode reaching out and trying to Yeah. Develop that community. And I think, Dave, your book, the the red book, I got it for Christmas, anyway. Nice.

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Dave, you've written a book? I know. Right? That's interesting. Have you?

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Really? Okay. Wait. Whatever. I never heard of it before. Do you mean profit from your podcast? Yeah. Strategies to turn your listeners into a livelihood? Well, thank you. Whoever bought that heard of that. Never heard of that before. It was my best listener, my mom. You know? So Nice. She so one of the things that you had mentioned was the the the horse show guy who went to the the Yeah. Super niche horse show and became there. I contacted based on that, I can mention I contacted a couple of the Christian school conferences that we would see those guys face to face. So I said, hey. I think I can deliver well, I can deliver value to you and to your sponsors in a way they've never had a sponsor before. If you name us the official podcast of this conference, just give me a sponsor level table. We'll get ourselves there. You give me that.

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So thank you for that. That was a godsend. And through your book, it was a blessing to to do that. And we're on our way to sit in those conferences and to meet those people, rub their shoulders, and hopefully, yes, gain those one on one contacts.

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So I I thank you for that. Yes. Absolutely. Any thoughts would be tremendous.

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Well, that would be as we're sitting here thinking, I was like, that's what I'd save the money for, to go to those events. Adam Curry just launched this thing called Godcaster.FM, and it's for it's for podcasters. It's for radio stations. But he was talk he went to the National Religious Broadcasters event, which was last week, and he got to keynote a couple other things. And he said he goes, that was exactly the right audience to be in front of because it's radio people that are like, hey. Radio's dying. Anybody got anything else we can do here? And he's, yes. Look.

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And you can have your own app and blah blah blah. So when you get in front of your target audience, it's, it's a beautiful thing. So I think that's the other thing I'd use the money for because as much as, you know, even if it's, you know, $300 a ticket and you're like, okay. But then you go, oh, but the the hotel's a hundred and 80 a night. It's for three nights. Okay. There's another $600, and then the flight is, you know, another, you know, blah blah. It's all of a sudden, like, wow. I don't know that you can go to a conference without sneezing away a grand. It's hard unless it's in driving distance or something like that. I know I've got one coming up in August in, Cleveland, and I was like, oh, but I've also learned just to stick on the if you're going to a conference and it's in driving distance, it's Cleveland's, like, an hour more or less forty five minutes from me, but you wanna hang out at night because that's where all the the great talks happen after the sessions.

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And I would do that and then drive home. So I got home really late, and and then I would have to get up early because it was an hour to drive back to the hotel. And by the end of it, I was so tired. I was like, I think next year, I'm just gonna spend the extra$400 for a hotel stay for a couple nights and keep my sanity. So but Well, one one more thing to consider if you're thinking of a place to spend that money, and that would be guest gifts. So it's it's it's sometimes not a bad idea to just, you know, hey. Thank you for and it it thank you for being on the show. Here's a $25, you know, Amazon card, whatever. It's just a nice because then sometimes when you're asking other guests, they'll check the before they go on, they'll check who's been on before, and they might talk to because it's such a tight niche that you're in. They probably all know each other. And so the the you know, to say, yeah. I was on the show. They even sent me a nice handwritten note with a gift or whatever. Like, how whatever you do. So there may be some of those where it's appropriate. There may be some of those where it just kinda greases the skids a little bit for your your guests in the future. And people then are, like, they're a little more inclined to say yes as you get as you, you know, as you as you move along in the podcast. So interesting enough, again, I think mostly based from mostly oh, is that my mic now is actually working? Yeah. That's good. I'll pick the right the right one. So base so interestingly enough, you say that so we are first the first check that came in, so to speak. Yeah. We spent on hitting all of those that we had spotlighted as Christian administrators with a $5 gift card and a card sent out to their school in their name, you know, with us asking to follow and then money also in the same way for our guests. So it seems like you're suggesting what we're doing, and I'm thankful for that. They were on the right path in that way. So that's the lesson. If there's anything else, I'd be happy to hear. But you've given me plenty of time. I appreciate it. Have a good day. You bet. No. No. Don't don't don't leave. No. First of all, Mark, we got ninety minutes to fill. You can hang around, you know. But Chris says create a place for other Christian administrators. So whether it's a Facebook group I'm a huge huge fan of heartbeat. I know it's whatever it is 39, I think, a month now for heartbeat, but if you can charge people a nominal fee just because one of the things that's great about events is the those conversations you do have in the hallway. And so if you can provide that and it's, oh, man. I can't do this without spending a grand to go into an event. You might wanna think about having a because the the beautiful thing about a community because that's what Glenn does. Glenn the Geek, the the horse guy. He's got a group of people that basically critique every show he does, but he also he's always getting ideas from them, and they give him feedback. So it's this this cool, content loop where the community gives you something to talk about. So you talk about it, and then they tell you, yeah. That was a good job of talking about it, but I wish you would have done this, or can you talk about this now or whatever. So that might be something else you you think about just in terms of of doing that. And then when you like, Mark over at practicalprepping.info, I don't he's in four gazillion trillion people now in his Facebook group, and he says what's interesting is they always throw in, you know, hey. This week's episode is about so and so and such and such. And he goes, oh, what's interesting is there are people that join that group that have no idea they have a podcast. And then they're like, oh, and then, oh, by the way, you can, you know, follow the show over here. And so it's sometimes a community is a great way to just a because podcasting is hard. After a while, you're like, I I think we did all 13 topics we have. What do we do now? And so that community can help do that. Chris also says maybe some merch, some print on demand services. You can, buy T shirts and mugs, etcetera. Because, again, they might wanna show, hey. I'm I'm part of this club too.

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Well, but some branding at the let's say you're going to this conference. They give me a table, the branding associate. Like, it's good if you are dressed appropriately for the brand or whatever, you know, to have have branded shirts or whatever.

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That can sometimes elevate. You know, you go you you do something like that, and you look the part, and you look the podcast that I think people remember that more, and they may come back to it. So Yeah. I remember Glenn had a had a backdrop that just said horse radio network on it, and then he brought two microphones with some foam, you know, whatever you call the windscreens on his microphone. They weren't plugged into anything, but it was just two microphones. So it looked like, hey. There's something going on over there. So, yeah, it's and then just don't be shy. If you're going to events, have a either a business card with a QR code or just a QR code on your phone to get people to to that. Go ahead, Jimmy. We're gonna say something. I was gonna say we also may maybe one more thought. We also used a live podcast from a conference because you have you have your audience and your guests there. I don't know. Have you thought about that? Have you had done anything like that? Were you? So for the first the first one we pursued, it'll be two single day events. And I would have I wrote up kind of like a work statement and sent it out to the, the head. And I said what we would do is we would make sure that beforehand, we would be plugging we have an episode that was basically a, hey, this is where where it is. This is what it is. We're gonna have leadership come on. Once we're there, we're going to make sure based on Dave's recommendation that as many sponsors who wanna come and give a three minute spotlight, they do. And we'll have a very specific time they can come do that. We'll make sure that when we are there, we are grabbing anybody who wants to come on because who doesn't wanna hear their name if someone want to and then no. But they wanna hear themselves. We'll give you access to all of those episodes once they're edited, and we'll also do a live from the event and one follow-up afterwards. So for that, you give us a sponsor table and a spot. And it I mean, the first the first leadership group was pumped for it. So we'll see what the rest come back to. So Yeah. I've done quite a few of those where we've partnered with technology conferences. And then I said, Hey, can I get access to your keynotes? We'll interview them. We'll publish these things.

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You're you're thinking right along those lines. And in fact Awesome. Haven't done it in a couple years. And just a couple months ago, they called me back and they're like, Hey, remember when we used to do these?

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Right? They're like, Are you interested in doing it again? We haven't, we haven't nailed down the details yet. But, you know, I think you're on, I think you're right on track for something like that. It's a great way to partner with those. And you get a lot of lift. I mean, you get all the motivations. The key on this, right, is you get all the motivations lined up. Right? The conference is motivated to help you be successful because you're you you're gonna publish some unique things they can't do. You're motivated because they're giving you access to people you may not normally get access to maybe, in in some cases. And so you get those two lined up, and it's just it's just a sweet partnership. So sounds like you're off off to the races on that one. Yeah. The fun part of the of the the Glen strategy water you don't have water boiling or any of the house isn't gonna burn down or anything. We don't wanna hold you if you don't wanna if you No. I just feel bad. I'm taking up so much time already. Oh, no. No. It's a good topic. No. Good topic. The other part of the Glen strategy is if you interview if they have speakers at this event, you interview the speakers at Groesher Network. And then in his case, he interviewed the sponsors, and that's when they're like, wait a minute. What what are you doing? He's, oh, I do this. And back then, it was early days, so you'd call, oh, I do this Internet radio show because nobody knew what a podcast was. And, you know, they're like, well, how much is it to sponsor on that? You know? And he he's he's I think the last time I told him, he still has sponsors that were from that very first show. Because if you've got the right product for the right audience, you know, it's cool. So It is it is one of those things if you're gonna do sponsorships. You've got one. Right? Treat them well. Make sure they're well taken care of and well spotlighted and those kinds of things. But make sure you're you you have spaces for others.

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Just placeholders, things they can jump into. You know, we we invented this. Dave and I invented this. Well, in the early days, I was just drinking coffee down here. Right. And so we would pour the coffee, and then eventually, we're like, you know, that could be a sponsor thing. And Mark picked up on it, and Dan picked up on it. And so you I think it's it's good to think about maybe if you had another sponsor, what would you do with them? Where would you put them? Can you create a can you create something like that where they can fit in nicely?

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Right? So just maybe sometimes we we don't think about we think, well, I gotta have a sponsor to think about it, and I think I actually need to pre think about it. Like, where would I put them in? What would it be? How much is it? When the sponsor asks you, well, how much is it? You can't say I mean, the second you go, they're like, I'm out. Like, this guy does not know what's going on. You gotta say, it's a hundred bucks. Well, to to the to that point, and again, I'm kind of just pitching your book right now, I think. But when Don't do that. I don't wanna sell my book. Please. Thank you. No. Stop. Stop. But but but yeah. In that in that space when you when when it was discussed concerning looking looking at sponsorship service. Is that your only way forward? Is there something else? And and you you repeat this throughout, but you start with your integrity and no listeners. That's it. And, of course, in my in my realm, I'm going to put a put a personal value on that even past this hobby that I'm doing right now professionally, personally, spiritually, morally, every I'm gonna base a lot on that. And so in that same we we did have somebody appear podcast from that network came to us and and offered us some affiliate. And I have a friend, his name is Kent Boucher with, First Gen Hunter. And he his podcast has just taken off. It's crazy. Just a college friend and, he he mentioned that the whole affiliate marketing thing I was just getting through chapter nine on the book with affiliate marketing anyway and the whole the whole affiliate marketing. He said he tries to basically stay away from it almost completely if it's not a discount code that they type in when they are at the when they're at their checkout spot because because going through the link and the the difficulty of going through the link versus whatever else. And even in this first foray with this peer coming to me and saying, hey. I think we could benefit each other. Here's the ten hours of work that you can do to maybe make nothing off of. I see what he's saying, and I said, I don't need you know, right now, I don't need that in my life. It's it's a blessing to do what we're doing. And I, with the one we have, I'd rather take the time and give them give them the the spotlight right now than this back end. So even in the the reviewing of your book, the reviewing of the chapter of your book, his his commentary, it seems like that might be something to stick on a website. But ours is pretty much a Google site right now. It's not really worth much. So I I I'm not even sure if we'll chase that down too hard at all. Do you mean this book? Profit from your podcast?

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Avails at profitfromyourpodcast.com? There's a check-in the mail to you, by the way. Yeah. Exactly. And and I know Randy had asked, how do I buy a autograph copy of that? Well, gee, is that a profitfromyourpodcast. Yeah. So, yeah, we did have some suggestions, especially about the community thing. And I just We have a Facebook page, but I haven't set up a group yet. So we we do a page.

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I haven't done a group. And and interesting, the reason we started it was because we do we could not find another podcast out there that was that niche. It was not it was for Christian school administrators, period. So the fact that the only ones we found, there was there was a group called Christian ministers think tank on Facebook, and then there was one that was related to a certain association a certain accreditation association. Yeah. If you work in that accreditation association, you weren't gonna get in there. So, yes, it was it was born out of even not being able to find those things. So thinking about having one of those groups and making our groups, that makes a lot of sense, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

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And so Todd the Gators, hey. You might wanna look at Discord because it's free.

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Well, it's secure too. It's you're not dealing with Facebook. That's the the nice thing about Discord. Oh, man. I have separate login separate login, right, all that other stuff. Yeah. It is nice to it's it's a little sparse looking, but it is nice from no ads, some of those kinds of things. Yeah. The Chris's congratulations because most people don't monetize this soon. But, again, the power of the niche. And Ray from Around the Layout podcast, who wears a tuxedo, by the way, when he goes to an event, that's cool.

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He says price is only an issue in the absence of value, so know your value. And remember that you can have a newsletter, and then you do the whole, oh, well, it's x amount to sponsor the show. It's x amount to be in the show notes and an x amount to be on the newsletter. Hey. And, hey. Right now, we're running a special.

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Get all three, you know, at a discounted rate, etcetera, etcetera. So but, man, it sounds like you're in the going in the right direction, which is cool. It's good. Sounds good. Good. On your way out, tell us your again, tell us the pod the name of the podcast and where people find it. So it is Christian it is the Christian it's not the. It's just Christian Principles Podcast. We're on Spotify, Apple, Amazon Music. We do one of the episodes You don't have your website yet? We do. It's Christian principles christian principles podcast dot com. There you go. There you go. It's But it's for school administrators. Right? It is for anyone, but it's for school administrators who would want to come and, you know, see and and See, I would I would add a tagline then because because when you says Christian principles podcast, I'm kinda like, oh, it's a Yeah. It's a Jesus show. You know what I mean? And so we're p l e. Yeah. It's not p A L S. Okay. Gotcha.

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Yeah. Well, which one is it? Is it p a l? Yeah. We're the pal. We're the Oh, got it. Okay. Well, the because I'm like, hey. Okay.

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See, this is where There's confusion in there. I mean, there you go.

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You you might So A tagline may clear some of that up. You know?

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This is not you don't have to say it all the time. But Plus you get to stuff more keywords in there without looking like a Yeah. You know, a weenie. So So when you say that, you mean you mean, like, when we're introducing the show? Or No. You know? Hey. This book is called Profit from Your Podcast. But in the event you were like, what is it about?

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Well, it's proven strategies to turn your listeners into a livelihood is the tagline.

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So it might be, you know, the and I'm just spitballing here, but, you know, the water cooler for Christian principles to blah blah, you know, something like like this one might be ask the podcast coach, colon, free podcast consulting, school of podcasting, name of show, tagline, plan, launch, and grow your podcast.

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What we've been saying is for and by Christian school administrators. Bingo.

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There you go. There you go. So go into whoever you're hosting with and throw that in the title. And it's just more ways to get found.

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So Gotcha. Okay. Hey. Thanks for being brave and jumping in.

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Appreciate it. That's we don't get a lot who actually try to join us live.

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We get a lot of questions in the chat room, but Well, I'm dying to know behind the scenes. Did it just say when you went to your audio, did it just say microphone, microphone, microphone, microphone? So if I go so I'm in whatever this is, Ecamm Live. Ecamm. Yeah.

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I have options for communications, headset microphone, default headset microphone, headset microphone, speaker phone. So I had to take a guess as to what was. Because I'm running I'm running this through a a, Maono interface, XLR and it was got a lot more than just XLR, but it's it's a whatever this mic is through a Maono interface XLR to my PC. Yeah. Which Yeah. Yeah. You go into depth. You seriously go into depth, Dave, on all that. And that was a, you know, a blessing and an insight as well in the in the book. So there was something else brought up that I'm I'm losing right now, but it was Love the love the book. Well, the the audiobook is fun because I go off script. So there are times that I'm like, hey. Because the book is It's not. Ancient. It was four years ago.

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And especially the I give people the PDF of the resource section if you wanna look at these, but I don't recommend any of these anymore because there's new stuff. And so and I also need to make a community because somewhere in the book, there's a secret profit from your podcast.com/ something. I don't remember what the slash even is. Apparently, it's a secret to you. It's so secret. And at one point, it was a mighty network, and then I moved it, and I kinda blew that. That's that's one.

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If somebody said, what's a rego I'm like, oh, I had a community and set this link and then moved it and blah blah blah. So we're now I don't know where anybody knows where they're supposed to be for the the super secret sauce stuff. So but What was the what was the heartbeat tool you were speaking of? Heartbeat let me show you what heartbeat is. Heartbeat.chat is the tool, and that's what I use. Now I here's the thing that's so funny is now you're gonna get to see the admin view, but this is the School of Podcasting's community.

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So when I go to discussions, you know, it's hey. So here you can see Neil just signed up. He's from Brisbane, Australia.

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Right? So we've got that, and then we just have I just have one channel for general discussion. There's a great it's ninety minutes long, but the head of Patreon talked about how we're kind of the algorithm is like, it giveth and it taketh away. So we've got that. We've got gear talk. I actually added this section a while ago. We talk a little AI over here. So speaking of Chris Stone, he's one of the awesome guys in there. We have events over here. So you can see, you know, here are all the the group coachings that are coming up here. So there's one today, by

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30. So if you're a member of the school of podcasting. So it's it's handy. I'm trying to figure out where I can go in here to show you things without showing too much, but it's I I love it to death because it's also I'm actually gonna be well, here. Let me do this. You can also do courses in here, which I'm moving the school of podcasting to, a heartbeat for this. And so if we go into like, I just updated this Buzzsprout one last night, and this is why there's no activity here because nobody can get to these yet. But I can easily kinda see what they would look like if I was a student.

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So it does courses. It does you can make your own kind of like, over here, there's a link. Well, thanks, Dave. That was helpful. That's a link to where the courses are now. If somebody wants to schedule a call with me or if they wanna send me a question, so you can add other things, not just what comes out of the box with with that. So I'm just the more I got on to it, and they recently did a an update to their payment processor that just I was like, oh, this is done. Because I was lucky enough, many moons ago, I actually Did you drop Mark? Did he drop? I did mean to. Let's see. Hold on. Oh, wait. Wrong button. I'm used to going to that. I'm used to that back then. Okay. Alright.

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Yeah. Mark's what? I guess we're done. Sorry. Force of habit.

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But I was lucky enough to get a heartbeat on AppSumo, so I got a lifetime deal. So but and I'm I'm if somebody can find what the price I wanna say it's $40 a month. 40 40 a month. Yeah. Yeah. It's not cheap. You know? So but if you had, you know, eight people giving you $5, you know, but that's where don't undervalue your your thing. When I started the school of podcasting, it was $5. And I had a friend of mine, luckily, happy birthday, Marcus, by the way, if you're listening. Yesterday was his birthday. And he said, Dave, can you tell me anything on the Internet that's worth buying for $5? And I went, no. And he goes, yeah. Exactly. Then I was like, so I eventually raised it to to 20, and then it went to 50. And now it's basically 99 a month for the school of podcasting. Like, why do you keep raising your prices? Because at $20 a month, I had people that would sign up and do nothing. And I'm like, I'm weird. I don't want my money for nothing, my chicks for free. I just the whole point was you start a podcast, and then when people go, hey. Where'd you learn how to podcast?

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You go, oh, go go talk to Dave, and here's my affiliate link, and that whole nine yards. And I found at 50, people started to actually make podcasts and at a hundred bucks a month. Unless, of course, you buy a year where you get two months free, you know, then So much pipping on the show. Show. And then Brad, who's a member of the school of podcast, is that Sorry. Sorry. Just doing that.

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Yeah. But I You did start it. It's your fault. I did. I didn't use start it. So that's this window. That's what heartbeat is. I use it. Now here's the funny thing. You ready for this? And I realized, what what is a community? It's where people come together that have a shared passion and blah blah blah. I have I still have a Facebook group because I have people that will only use Facebook.

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Because I said, hey. I think I'm gonna kill the Facebook group, and they're like, no. And they're like, you will take it from my cold dead hand. You know? And I was like, okay. And then I'm like, but the the real one's over here in heartbeat. So I am now the guy that's cross posting in both. If something's really good over there and I realized that is the direct opposite of what a community is. Like, having two communities because we can't agree on what the community is is that.

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Yeah. So, Crystal, shout heartbeat heartbeat is something they have to they have to make their own account for on a heartbeat. It's not as simple as Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's not as far as I know, they don't have single sign on yet, but it's an app. So it works on Android and iOS and works on the website. Because I know some people are like, oh, I don't wanna install another app. And I'm like, well, you can use the website.

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So it's but when the courses are over there, then they're gonna be there anyway. And I think that's what's really gonna boost the community. And the people like, well, what are we using Facebook for? And I'll go, exactly. You know?

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So and then we'll we'll ditch it because I had a I I got kicked out of my own Facebook group because I said, hey. Lunch with Dave starts in twenty minutes. Then they're like, you're spamming. And then last week, I forget with something Scott Johnson had asked, what was something that you thought was fine and ended up being very scary? And my friend George Robb has a song about squirrels. Look out for the squirrels. They're, you know, they're all they're cute and furry until you see them face to face. Kinda it's this weird kind of funny comedy song. Well, George's album cover is him naked except for a big round circle with a question mark strategically placed.

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And so when I linked to the song on YouTube, here comes George with a big giant question mark, and Facebook was like, that is you they they took down my post because I violated apparently, they didn't think George was in good shape, which he is, but that was when I was like I saw an email George. So, Mike, hey. Just for the record, you know, I'm not telling you to change your album cover, but maybe on YouTube, put something put some clothes on. Would you? Doggone it, George.

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So, well Mark, thanks for thanks for coming in. Thanks for joining us. We'll we'll get you back to your Saturday morning. Yeah. Oh, no.

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This this has been great. I appreciate it. Truly, truly. You bet. Yeah, man. Have a good one. Coming in. You bet. We got somebody to come in live. Yay. So It is possible. It is possible. It is. Let's just And plus, it's a game. You know, it's it's, you know, it's almost like the wheel of names. It's okay. Wheel of microphone choices. Which one will he pick, and will it work?

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You know? Yeah. We eventually got it. We we got it over here. It was He just keep trying. So and he didn't sound horrible. Randy says when the Podfather points folks at Dave Jackson, then you know Dave Jackson knows it's up. Yeah. He actually gave me another shout out on the Podcasting two point o show. He was talking about how he he's giving demos to people for godcaster.fm, which I am at this point, I think I'm gonna go get a demo because I was like, wait a minute. I could use that for, like, all of my shows. I could make a power of podcasting app and, you know, that whole nightmare. He's got me thinking, And he he said, why he goes, I teach people what's possible. He goes, and then I send him over to Dave because he can teach them the rest of the stuff. And I was like, excellent.

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Thank you, Podfather. It's always it doesn't suck when Adam Curry shouts you out. You know? Yeah. Todd says he's afraid to to play Mike Roulette. It's really as I said, I go first of all, he didn't sound you know, he had a little background noise going on because it is what it is. Right? But, you know, I think regular listeners of the show know that, you know, the the sound quality of somebody does not necessarily reflect their their educational Well, I haven't seen it live. Right? It's live. You you try to come in and get this done.

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I was super impressed that he knew the contents of your book. I mean, I was expecting him at one point to go, from the book of Dave Jackson chapter three That's right. Two.

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Dave sayeth that the podcasters shall only monetize on Tuesdays. Yes. I just Chapter chapter 12. Not a talk toy. He did not talk. Two types of networks.

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Right. Yeah. Exactly. He knew the book. I wish that was impressive. I mean, it's It's interesting because, like, I wrote that book five years ago. If it's if it's been out four, I wrote it five years ago because it came out, you know in fact, there's somebody always says I should pick the lottery numbers because I think it's in the first chapter, maybe even in my introduction where let's see here. But somewhere in it says, you don't know oh, yeah. One last thing as I write this. It's February 2020. Things may change by the time you read this. Oh, for sure. That's so I basically I wrote it right before the pandemic. And so it took a while to come out because it was my publisher, Skyhorse Publishing, kept downsizing people, and they're like, hey. Carla's gonna be handling your book now. I'm like, great. And then a month and a half later, okay. George is handling your book now. And I was like, so yeah. But well, this is the other thing. You don't have to join in live. It's just fun. Podcast audio.

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I would join you, but I just woke up, and I'm on the couch using my laptop, drinking my coffee after being out last night. Yeah. Not a problem. No. So It was a great it was a great question. It really was a nice Yeah. It it's a nice way. That's really what we're looking for is real a really good question. And I'll have to be sure and tell Glenn that people are still Glenn the geeking it. Like, I told him, I said, dude, you are a verb. Shane Whaley, awesome supporter.

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One time, I I asked him how his show was going. So, man, I got this, and I end up with a sponsor. And I'm like, what happened? He's come with Glenn the Geeked It. And I'm like, why is the verb? He goes, yeah.

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I went to he's a that's back when he did Tourpreneur, and there was this event for tours and tour guides and stuff. And he goes, I said, hey. I wanna be the podcast for your event. Then I goes, I did it and blah blah blah. So, man, that strategy really works. Plus, it got him right in the middle of people who should be listening to a show. So, yeah, that was yeah. That's that was one of the first tips that Glenn gave, and I was like, man. That is so good. So with that, we'll go on to our next question. I saw this one and was like, interesting.

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And that is he says, doing a a show about your industry. Says, my partner and I both work in the same industry but in different disciplines. We have an idea for a podcast about the industry and are thinking about how we can make it a reality.

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One potential problem is that we both still work in the industry, so we'll be speaking about experiences and situations we've been in. I wondered if anyone thinks that that would be an issue. I feel it's probably okay if we don't mention names or change potentially identifying details. Does anyone have any specific advice about this? Well, I mean, I do a podcast about the industry. People know where I work, but for I always just I guess my advice would be if you're gonna say anything negative, explain why you think something isn't the way it should be or whatever because I always give to me, I want people to know my intentions. So if I'm like, hey.

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I I thought about this today because there was a stupid so stupid. I just want I just wanna hold this button down for just so you know, that YouTube has 1,000,000,000 podcast views. And I just when I saw it, I was you know, then so I explained to people because I was when I saw it, I was like, oh, here we go again. But consider the source. I'm a guy that works in podcasting support.

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And on a not daily basis, but it gets that way, I have people now that sign up at PodPage because you can sign up for a demo. So I've got a live podcaster sitting in front of me, and he's, yeah, trying to, you know, do the thing where you put the thing in and it builds the site for you. He goes, it wouldn't work. And I go, oh, well, who are you hosting through? And they'll go, well, I'm a podcaster on on YouTube. And then I have to politely go, yeah. That's that's not really a that's a YouTube podcast is what I tell them. And I go, we're looking for a podcast based on an RSS feed. And you can just see them, like, wait. I'm like, this isn't really a podcast. I'm like, no.

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It's it's a show. But in terms of syndicating it everywhere, no. And so that's where when I see people say that, I'm like, oh, here we go. And now I'm gonna get more people that go, hey. Your your pod page doesn't work, man. This piece of crap. And I'm like, no. No. You're not a podcaster. You're a YouTuber. And so when it comes to talking about the industry, I think if you give your why so not everybody feels like I do, but this is why I feel so strongly about it because I see it every day and have to go, nope.

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Sorry. Not a podcast. Okay. Next up. What do you have? Hey, man. This doesn't work. Sorry. Not a podcast. You're a YouTuber. We can, you know, go over to Blueberry and use their pod to or vid to pod service, and you too can be a podcaster, but, you know, right now, you're technically a show and a good show. You should grow your audience in the same way that maybe an audio person can grow their audience by doing video.

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You know, a video person can definitely grow their audience by doing audio. So I don't know. Jim, talking about the industry, any thoughts? No. Yeah. The other thing keep in mind keep in mind the Internet writes in ink.

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So if you do say anything negative or out of, you know, it writes in ink because you're you're not gonna be who you are fifteen years from now. And I always use the have we talked about the Amish porn thing on here before probably? No. No. Oh. Do we have to? In the it's it's safe. In the early days of building a better Dave, I was gonna be blue. I was gonna work blue. I was gonna be edgy. You know? Oh. And so one of my first or second episodes, I did a thing about Amish porn that, like, hey. If Amish peep because the whole thing is just weird concepts. Like, hey. If this is this, then what's that? And so it was like, if Amish people don't have electricity, does that mean there's there's no Amish porn? Because, you know, there's no cameras, there's no technology. And then I was like, well, if there was Amish porn, what would that be like? You know? And then it was like, oh, Zebedee, you know, Zebedee, you know, plow my bean field and all this dirty talk that was very Amish like. It's very, very strange. And so I am dating a woman, and it's time to meet the kids because we're getting serious. So I get to meet the kids, and one is 16, I think, at the time. And so she went and Googled Dave Jackson. And, yeah, guess that came up. Yep.

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Amish Born. And guess who she called? Grandma. Now luckily, grandma thought it was pretty funny, but you gotta be careful. I do know this was a long time ago. I don't know if you could legally do this now, but you could back in, in, like, 02/2006. There was, a guy, p k and j, and I can't remember if it was p k or j. But one of them was not just an atheist, but a flaming atheist. Really, really just did not like God at all. And his boss found his show and was like, that's who's working for me, and somehow let him go. And I'm like, I don't know you're allowed to fire people for their religious or non religious beliefs.

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But he got let go because they're like, we kinda don't want you on the team. And I was like, So you know? Or if you're like, my boss is such an idiot. I can't believe you know? And then your boss finds your show. That's why I didn't say his name. Yeah.

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But, you know so I I I think he's on the right path of don't say where you work. Don't. You know? So I mean or do and be appropriate. You know? That's Yeah. Some you know, I think you I and I'm in this boat. Right? I was podcasting before I started podcasting work. And, you know, I've I've had to be very, very clear, about where the line is drawn at sometimes is between what's my stuff and what's the stuff for Gallup. And I don't I don't have any problem mentioning that. It's out there. It's public. Right. You know? And listen. I talk about some of the struggles that we've had behind the scenes because I think some of them are valuable. They're not secrets.

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Yeah. You know? It's it's sometimes internally and even externally. But sometimes internally, you know, folks would be talking about things they thought I was doing on the podcast. And I was like, I don't think so. And then I'd be like, you know everything we do is public. Right? Yeah.

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You can go actually listen to it, and it's it's not I'm not keep it's that we don't keep it secret. It's not a you know? So it's, I think I I I do think for podcasters who where it's a hobby.

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And depending on who you work for, your job, or how you're doing it, I it is a little bit of a delicate dance. Yeah. And I think more this is this is my own this is my own opinion. I think more disclosure, more communication to your employer, more expectations of what you're doing, and making sure you don't have to do this, by the way. But I again, this is my my opinion. The more clear you are on what you're doing, the better it is between you and your employer. And I just you know, I I made it really clear on my podcast. This is why I don't I mean, I do some advertising. I have gotten some stuff, but I made it really clear. This this is just a hobby. Yeah. Like, this my full time my my responsibilities lie in what I do at work. Right? That's my full time role. That's what I do. I spend most of my time doing that. Does that mean that's all I can do? No. No. I I mean, it's a hobby. I have fun with it, but I try to make sure it doesn't become because you and I talk about this all the time, Dave. This can quickly hobby podcasting can quickly become all consuming. And so you have to protect yourself. Right? All of a sudden, you know, it's like, okay. You're still maybe you're still working for somebody else.

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So you have to be be careful in that space that you're you're dividing the hours appropriately. Listen. You have to figure that out. No one can tell you what's right or wrong.

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That's your relationship with your employer and what you're doing. There's some advice that people can give in there on some things that you can do, but, ultimately, it comes comes down to you and your the the, you know, your relationship with your employer and and their understanding of what you're doing. In my case, more communication is better than less. So that's that's my place there. That's what Ray from Around the Layout podcast says. He says, I think you should let your employer know, but if they find out upfront than to find you later and have it be an issue, it might provide an opportunity. Maybe they'll get behind it and promote it and put in their newsletter or whatever, things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Randy Black apparently went and found the Amish porn episode. Oh, boy. That's back from 10/23/2006. Yeah. That was what was funny about that was and on deck, we've got Todd the Gator. I actually had a Cleveland Brown football player that apparently had been following me, and I still I think that's back when I used to have my phone number on my website. And he called the phone number, And I forget the guy's name, but it was I should remember, but it was like a famous, you know, he's, hey. Listen to your show. He's like, why are you working blue? And I'm like, what? He's like, why are you working blue, man? Then I'm like, I don't know. I thought I'd trade his ass, not you. Like, what what should you know? I was like, because there was a thing about online dating and, you know, you you they they look amazing, and then you show up and they look like aunt b, and aunt b doesn't give me wood. It just, you know, like, yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. You're right. It's not you.

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How's it going, buddy? Look at that. Look at that. He he got lucky.

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Right microphone sounds great. Amazing. I I hit the right I hit the right number. Yeah. That's good. I know I I I tried this once before, and I think you heard everything in my room except my mic. But, hopefully, I got it hopefully, I got it taken care of this time. I I I've been podcasting for six years now. I've got a great community. It's a it's all about a gaming podcast, and you guys have heard me talk about it before. And I'm going into more of a lifestyle podcast. It's this has been something that's been rattled around in my head for probably a year now. I hang out with a lot of younger people, twenty to forty year olds, I would say. And, well, I'm well in my fifties now, and I'm I'm creating a podcast based on life, not advice, but trials and tribulations from my life where I wanna share and help people. And just, you know, I've built my own business from scratch. I've been married for thirty two years.

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I've got a lot of life experience that I want to share with other people.

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Yep. You know, kind of like that big brother that's, hey, they don't do that.

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Yeah. Don't do that. You're gonna get hurt. And I need some advice from you guys because I know you guys have done multiple podcasts before.

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And what I'm trying to figure out is I I'm I'm I'm not stopping my podcast. I'm gonna keep doing my gaming podcast, but I wanna do it right this time.

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I wanna make sure I have plenty of episodes out. I wanna make sure I'm not, you know, under the gun every week. It's gonna be a weekly, like, a thirty minute quick podcast with just a story or life story or something like that. And what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to figure out, should I bank a bunch of episodes ahead of time where I have a little bit of, because I have to run another community and another podcast. Right. Or should it be something where I just release episode zero and start going with it?

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I've already recorded episode zero. My intros and my outro music, everything's all done. My daughter's working on all the artwork and stuff. So Nice. You guys have done this a lot more than I have. I'm kind of a late bloomer to podcasting here. So what do you guys think? If it was you, what would you do? For me, and and I try to do this, and I'm horrible at it. Having a show or two in the in the can, shall we say, is really handy for those times when you're like oh wait I gotta and you're like oh wait a minute I'll just use because if your stuff's kind of evergreen and it's just a story and it's helpful it can sit there on the shelf and that's that's fine so that that can help in those stressful situations when you know whatever somebody gets sick or whatever those really do come in handy and there are times when I actually was contemplating going to Florida. I had a friend die this week and I was gonna go to his funeral and besides the fact that unless I want to fly Frontier, you know, tickets are $700 and I was like that's that's the chunk of change. But then I was thinking, you know, if I do this and I'm like, oh, wait. I've got to record two episodes then. One for this week and one for next week. And that's when having one in the can is really, really handy. I don't know. Jim, any other thoughts on this? Yeah. One of the techniques, Todd, that we use at Gallup is we record two episodes at a time. It's the batch processing concept. Right? So if you're gonna get together and you're gonna do the effort, chances are you could actually early on record two back to back. Make them a little bit shorter. So, you know, you're not on there forever. Then that's it's easy in three weeks. You're three weeks ahead, you know, if you if you do it that way. And we we have 34, you know, we do these seasons of 34 episodes. CliftonStrengths has 34 themes.

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So we do 34 episodes. I do seventeen weeks of recording, and we record two each time. And so you get a live show. We have a live show audience that shows up just for those recordings. They're better done live anyways. So that's the way we do it. And then my team behind the scenes has we get, you know, we get ahead just naturally ahead because we only release one a week.

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So that's been a technique that we've used, I've used for, I don't know, seven or eight years now of getting, you know, just getting ahead a little bit. And I think it's not a bad idea to have a few in the bank, especially if you want to be regular. It's not required. You could, you can release these things whenever you want, right? But if you feel like the regular, once, you know, we're gonna release every Monday at six a. M, that's our schedule.

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If you feel like that's really, really important, then yeah, the batch, some, some batch processing can get you ahead on that. I don't know. Do you feel like, do you feel like the regular, the regular schedule is a make or break for the, for the podcast? Or can it, can it go a week and two weeks and then a week? Or I don't know. What are your thoughts, Todd? Well, I actually had a, another gaming podcast related to my first podcast where I was helping new players get into the game. And I just closed that one down because I realized it was just too much. I I put a lot of work in my live shows on YouTube. I write the scripts, everything. I kinda have a schedule of how I do everything every week, and I have a co host too that I have to collaborate with. And I'm just trying to I I'm I mean, this is how this is how extreme I was thinking about. I was thinking about putting together, like, 20 episodes and then just not having them not having it saying in the in the beginning, like, this is episode blank.

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Yeah. I'm just gonna have open up with a cold open with my story or whatever my topic is for the air for the for the episode, and then I can decide where to place them in. But you I always worry about something not being timely or something Yeah. Getting and it's gonna be pretty evergreen, I think. But, you know, it's about my life.

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It's about everything I've accomplished trial and error. So But that extreme Be careful on the batch process that you don't think you can sit down. I'm not saying you're saying this, but I I wanna warn people. Don't feel like sitting down for five or six hours and cranking out two or three episodes is a good idea because fatigue sets in after a while. I mean, Dave and I go ninety minutes. And when we're done here, I couldn't do another ninety minute show. We couldn't do this back to back.

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The second show would suffer. So I think you need, you also have to figure out your pacing on that. I can do two shows back to back because they're 15 shows. That's pretty easy to do. If they're longer form, it gets a little more difficult. Dave your eyes told me you have something else to say there. Well, well, just amen to that. Especially if you're doing interviews and people like, okay, on Mondays, I'm gonna interview four people. And you're like, because what happens by the time you get to the third one, you're like, oh, man. You know? Because interviews, your brain is going crazy while you're doing interviews. And then what happens is, you know, maybe you schedule them out a half hour in between. So during that half hour, your adrenaline goes and you're like, and then it's like, oh, I got another one. And it just it's I always I forget that when I do presentations at events because I used to do that every day and I remember there were times if I didn't get a ton of sleep I'm like hey when I'm driving home I got a thirty five minute drive home and that adrenaline is on I'm like I'm driving here I don't really want to take a nap right now so that's the but as Jim was saying if they're little short episodes and you don't have to worry about if it's a just a solo show that's fine I would recommend the book story worthy love this book by by Matthew Dix because I've listened to the audio it's an awesome book yeah because sometimes we have stories and then we kind of butcher them through the way we deliver them and there are other times like the the episode I just did last night for building a better Dave I kind of had just I'm gonna start here and it wasn't I didn't really overthink it and I'm fine with that that whole show like that that particular because I was talking about my my buddy Neil it was over two in the morning and it was just I got done and I was like I still say best$7 therapy there is because it really just let me get out a bunch of stuff do I care if anybody listens to that no but I was like this is something that for whatever reason rattled my cage and I'm like I want to document that my cage is rattled here and just talked about it, kinda got it out. It was like, alright. I can go to bed now. So, you know, there that's one of those where I I've never thought of even trying to monetize that show. It's just me. You know, I remember once I did an episode about the truth about teenage boys, and I had a parent say, I'm gonna let my daughter listen to that. She's because she's starting to be interested in boys. And I was basically like, oh, yeah.

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We are, you know they have one thing on their mind and when they get it they will move on if this is the truth you know and so I was just there kind of like you just I just want to impart wisdom and this is the the beauty of you know anybody 50 and above you got some life experience and you got some lessons learned and you kind of want to share with somebody so that they don't have the same issues that you ran into and so I think it's a great premise for a show and as jim was saying maybe maybe record a couple start a timer somewhere because like you said you started that one show to to help people get into the game and you know after a while it's a little too much so you might want to start a timer as you're recording these and go, okay, how long did it take? And then kind of figure out from soup to nuts. What's it gonna take to do an episode and then go, oh, okay. So that took whatever five hours to do the ellipse it. Do I have five hours a week to do this? And you go, no. Well, guess what? You're not doing a weekly show. And, you know, so then you're like, okay, maybe we'll go every other week or, you know, maybe I'll do it on a whenever I get it done schedule. And the only part of that is, like, every Friday, this is how I party. I go to Walmart. I do grocery shopping, and I listen to podcast two point o. That's because they release every Friday. And it just so happens that's what I'm doing Friday. And when I go, I'm like, oh, cool. Adam and Dave. Click. And so when you're on a schedule that isn't regular, you kinda lose the ability to be part of someone's routine. Okay. You know? But on the other hand, I remember when Ray Ortega used to do the podcasters yeah. Podcasters studio before he did the one with me and Daniel. And he had a really kind of whenever I get to it schedule. And when I saw there was a new episode from Ray, I instantly ran and got it because I knew Ray only turned on the mic when he had something to say. So that's the kind of bonus side of having a not so, you know, consistent schedule is when it does come out to you, I go, this is new. So in the end, you know, just kind of do a little, you know, research on how much time you got because you've you've done that second show. So you've been there, done that. So that'll probably help in that. So Your thoughts, Todd?

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Anything anything resonate with you there? Yeah. It it I'm glad you guys told me that because this like your show, Dave, it is kind of therapy as well. I'm kinda getting out and reliving past thoughts and and experiences and lessons I learned, things about reminiscing with my dad. And I I honestly don't know how you made it through that that last building a better day. That was It was tough. Was tough to do. But, yeah, I it it I got inspired because a lot of my community, which I use Discord and I know it's ugly as sin, the the Discord people the younger people, I've lived their I've lived their lives. I've lived I know what they're going through. And that's what it kind of inspired me to come up with this podcast. And I actually did a podcast with my older he's no longer with me, podcast host who was called playing favorites where we talked about our favorite things in life. People really love that. But then when my host went away, people are like, where was that show playing favorites? I love that show. So I'm not worried about monetizing or anything, but my process is gonna be write the script, put it in my Medium blog, make a YouTube video.

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I know that's a contentious thing about being on video or not.

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It's fine. Yeah. I just bought a I just bought a teleprompter. I always say, dude, if you wanna be on video, be on video. It's it's the thing that always kills me. And somebody goes, well, I wanna do this podcast. And they tell me what the idea is. I'm like, that's amazing. And they're like Yeah. Yeah. I can't do it. And I'm like, why? And they're like, I don't wanna be on video. So if you wanna be on video, dude, what do you do? Have a face for video, but, I'll if people can deal with me, I'll I'll I'll keep checking it out. So but I that I wanna take any more time. I know I realize your time your show is getting toward an end here. So I just I've just been bugging me and and when actually, your first for your first guest that came on kind of inspired me to give it another shot and try to hop on. So I think There you go, man. Glad glad you did. Glad you did. Mad mad respect to you guys. Do you have a domain yet? Stay after it, Don. I don't have a domain yet. I don't wanna actually release the title of the show because it's hasn't been registered yet. I did there is no show like this on there is no show like this. I've already checked all the Googles and stuff. Yeah. But I do wanna do I I didn't know if if PodPage does, like, a bulk deal with multiple podcasts because I wanna do a PodPage setup. They don't. They have a you can have one account with multiple shows, so you don't have to have 37 logins. But but every show has to have a plan associated with it. So I use so much from PodPage. My my voice mail systems, everything is the hub goes through that through that website. I mean, what you guys do over there is fantastic. I love that you guys still do that. Yeah. And it's well worth what I pay every year for it. So beautiful. Thank you, man. Thanks, guys. Thanks for jumping in. Thanks for your time.

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Good luck. Absolutely. Take care. Keep us posted. And keep us posted, Todd. Yeah. I I see Dan said the, the three part series on the Pinkertons he just released was recorded in one afternoon for all three episodes. And afterwards, he goes, I was done. I said, but he is a better he is a better man than me. Four hours, he said later.

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That session was four hours and forty four minutes long. That is a long time to be talking on a mic. Now if it's an engaging conversation, it goes pretty fast. All of a sudden, you know, you're like and listen, I'm Dan, I'm surprised you have a guest that would put up with four hours and forty five minutes of recording. That's a lot of time to ask for someone. Now, you know what I mean? It's just a long time. We did we we tried Micah, one of my old co hosts, we tried recording these quick fifteen minute sessions. And at ten, she broke. She's I can't do this anymore. They're all starting to sound the same. They're all starting you know, it's just and so we we kinda said, okay. We'll do seven at a time. That seems to be, like, what works to keep us fresh on that. Four hours and forty four minutes.

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Yikes. Like, I just hats off to you, Dan. That's a long time. I don't I don't know if I could go that long. I'd get sleepy and weepy for sure. Well and for me, especially if I was talking to the guest or whatever, I mean, I I record my episode on Sunday, but I, basically, have done all my planning, you know, Monday through Saturday. And so, like, tomorrow, it's the question of the month. And it was funny because I was so jazzed about my last episode that I forgot it was question of the month week. And I was like I was all talking about how you should have a newsletter for your podcast. And I was like, alright. I just realized it's question of the month week. We're gonna do that next week. Meanwhile, back to newsletters, and that was just my passion kinda came through. But I record it, and then I stop for lunch. And then I come back, and I'll, you know, listen to it and maybe throw in some sound effects or whatever. And then I export it. And then from there, it's writing the show notes, which can be like this next one for a question of the month. Show notes, easily an hour.

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Because I still have people that go, and my website is okay. So now I gotta slow it down or whatever to figure out what the show notes are. So I because I always wanna link back to anybody who who contributed to that. And so, yeah, it's one of those things where by end of the day, you know, I started at noon, and now it's midnight. So did it take me twelve hours to make a podcast? No.

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Because there are a lot of breaks in there. But if I had to do it back to, like, just through the whole thing on one hand, you get the creative juices going, but that's the problem. You get the adrenaline going and everything like that. So when you are done, there is that kind of just, you know, let down that that comes in. And so I can't imagine ever to then turn around and go, okay. Let's do another one.

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That'd be, Yeah. I could. We I we couldn't do another ninety minutes. Like, I would I'd be like, no. No. I mean, the 90 we do do is actually probably a little long, to be honest.

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We could probably do this in 60 just fine. We we've chosen for whatever reason, we continue to do 90. We've done some sixties. They're fun. They're fast. They are fast. Like, all of a sudden, you're like, what what? Where to go? Yeah. You know? So 90 works for us. I think we're all built a little bit different. You know? Dave David in the chat was saying how hardcore history has these really long sixty to ten hour podcast. Right? We're all built a little bit different. You know? As far if you can sit down and record for six to ten hours, god, more power to you as you get that. And there's probably not one recording session. Right? Yeah. And they're not released every week that way. So who knows how that's being put together, but wowza. Yeah. Bread to perfection.

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So Kenny's saying I had one guest on, and we recorded for a ten hour session. Oh, good. Before that, we had an eight hour session and another five hour session. Man. And that's where I go, just remember, podcast is a conversation with the boring parts removed because it's hard to stay.

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Like, ten hours of brilliant stuff is like, really? You can do it, though. Some people can. Definitely possible. Yeah.

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So well, we got a quick one we can throw in here.

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Episode cover photos. We they say, we normally do a special cover photo for each episode for our podcast, but I tried it for the first time on our last episode, and the downloads were double what they normally were. Was this just a coinky dink, or is this an episode specific photo really that important for each download? I don't know about doubling your downloads, but I know it makes you stand out compared to other people that don't. So it's not a mandatory thing, but I know I need to go in and look because I hardly ever look at my stats from Spotify in Spotify. They have you know, you can go in and see if our people listen and blah blah blah. And, oh, man, scrappy podcast marketing guy, Jesse something. I can't remember his last name. But, anyway, he was saying how there's some kinda new stats in there, and one of them is how many times was your episode shown and how many times did people click on it. And the reason they're gonna click is your title and your artwork. And so if the artwork, you know, could somehow push them over the edge, then, yeah, maybe episode artwork could help. Now in the future of podcasting, we have the same artwork for all of them. And I I actually, I'm gonna reach out to Daniel and go, can I get one where I can put in a title at the top just to kinda keep the brand? But to me, it it's easy. Make a template. Go in. You know? Change the color of the background or whatever. Jeremy Ennis.

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Thank you, Rich. And then just change the title and the background or whatever.

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So it it looks new, but it's really just the same old stuff rearranged. So I don't know, Jim. Yeah. There's some evidence that Google is indexing your photos, your whatever those the graphics are. And if it's the same all the time, it treats it differently than if it's original. And so there could be listen. It's hard to diagnose this from a question, and we don't know the person. Right? Right. But it there could be evidence in there that the new album art got picked up and was exposed a little more often than just your regular album art because Google is saying this is new, and so sometimes it'll show up more. There listen, that is the most generic statement, and I have no idea if any of that's happening or not. But there is, you know, we've we've moved to Gallup. We've moved to to get as much original art in our stuff as possible. And so we actually came up with our own art style, if that makes sense. We have this way of doing it that, you know, we had been using stock images for for the longest time, and there was some evidence that those stock images were being downplayed by Google. And so I I I don't know if that's a bad I don't I don't do individual album art.

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Somebody had mentioned in chat, if you're gonna do that listen. It's another thing to do. If you're good at it, I'd say do it right now. That's that would be my advice. If you can do it, do it fast and you like doing it, and it looks good, awesome.

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Of course, art is beauty is always in the in the beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. There we go. So, you know, your stuff, don't don't let anybody say your stuff doesn't look good because that's that's your call, right, whether it looks good or not.

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But, yeah, I think I think maybe, Dave, that might be worth trying. I I think we should all try it and see what see what kind of results you get. Will the first one take off like this? I don't know. But I don't know. For those of you out there in chat, are you here's the problem. If you're doing it now, you'll never know because your numbers are based on that happening all the time. We almost need some podcasters who don't who don't individualize to start to see if it changes the equation. Yeah. Jeremy has this really cool report called the mark podcast marketing trends. And what I was trying to find is he is now, as far as I know, accepting submissions for the 2025 version of this, and it takes about ten minutes to go through it. It's a really good report. And I was trying to find the the link to the new one, and I'm all over his website. I cannot find it. So I know I have it somewhere because I've seen it on social and a couple other places, but he runs the Podcast Marketing Academy.

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And then he and the guy Jackson from transistor.fm.Point I names are just not my strong suit, but they do a a show that's a little podcast rodeo show kinda ish where they I think they call it it's not an audit. It it's something, but they go over people's podcasts and review it. And so that's that's fun. Man, that's gonna I can see his face.

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Something Jackson from Transistor. It'll come to me later, of course.

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But with that oh, wait a minute. Dan says, I I just started doing some custom cover art. Haven't seen a big difference, but it's only been a month. Not a lot of data there. Yeah. I'm not sure it would make a huge difference. I just know it's it it it is definitely icing on the cupcake. And sometimes, if there's already icing on the cupcake and you add just a little more, you know, do we really need that much icing? Better. It's more icing, always better. Always. Oh, are we talking about cupcakes or podcasts? Yeah. The Randy says on his v for v music show has a main cover art in the middle of the episode number and a date around it. So it keeps his branding center, but he changes the number for each episode. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. That's a good idea. Elsie does that on the feed where they have three or four different pictures of her and Rob.

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And so they have the number, and they have a thing for the title, and then they'll swap out the picture of those two.

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And so it it's branding wise, it looks great because everything's very similar to last one, but yet it's different enough to where you go, oh, this is different than the last one, so you can kinda tell them apart. And I just know if you go into, I don't know, whatever app you're using, if it's all the same thing and then you it's kinda like, okay.

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It doesn't look bad. Right? And then you see somebody who has something different. You're like, oh, oh, this one kind of looks, you know, different. And sometimes different is good, I guess, if it looks good and if not and it the goal goes back to and you brought this up. When you say I'm gonna add one thing, okay. What are you not gonna do? Because you just added five minutes to your process. So and that's where you had Justin Jackson. Thank you, Dan. I knew it was starting I'm like, it's between Justin and Jeremy. I'm like, all these j's, my brain couldn't take it. And a good guy. I met him at a couple different events. And Transistor is they're on the Captivate kind of business model where you can have as many shows, as many episodes for one price. I just think you get more downloads at Captivate before your bill goes up, but I've never used Transistor. I've seen videos of their stats, and I know they just did a thing. I think it was last week where now Transistor websites so you'd have to be using their website. If somebody comments on Blue Sky, that Blue Sky comment shows up on your transistor website. So they're trying to do kind of a cross app comments, but the commenting tool is Blue Sky. So if you like Blue Sky, you're like, oh, cool.

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And if you think Blue Sky is awful, you're like, ugh. I never use that, and welcome to welcome to Facebook and every social media platform where Yeah. That's not a new idea. That is not a new idea. And I always say be careful. Anytime you add comments to your website, who's moderating that?

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Because somebody's not gonna agree, you know, not gonna agree with you and that whole nine yards. And so I'm assuming everybody on Blue Sky is somehow, you know, going to be vetted out so not just anybody can comment on your stuff. But Yeah. Yeah. That's an old idea. I mean, that we've we've had we brought those things in before. And so I don't know. I just don't know why we have to be so mean to each other on these things. There's a lot of think about all those comments and, like, why do why do we need to be so mean to each other? Yeah. I I tuned in to Facebook. I need to go watch the meeting between Trump and Putin and JD. What's his name? Oh, yeah. I haven't seen it yet, but, man, the Internet was on fire last night. I was like, alright. I gotta go watch this and make my own opinion. But Yeah. Speaking of opinions, what kind of opinion are you sharing on HomeGadgetGeeks this week? Yeah. No. No. Right on. Jay Franzi, who's a listener to the show here is on my show. We spent some time he bought a new 2025 Honda Civic Hybrid. No. Honda Accord Hybrid. And so we talked about some of the technology and some of those gadgetry that is now in those vehicles.

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So, yeah, it's a fun show. It's it's where it was great to have Jay on. It's not available yet, but it will be by the time our other listeners are listening to this. Check it out today.

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Homegadgetgeeks.com. Yeah. And on the school of podcasting, it is question of the month. And the question of the month was, what's your top podcasting pet peeve? This is something I usually do in January, and I kinda pushed it back a bit. And so we'll be hearing what those pet peeves are, and then the question will be like, are you doing those? And if so, are you gonna keep doing them? Or is it just part of your show's, you know, charm or whatever it is? So maybe no. I wanna have bad audio where my audience has to constantly grab the volume knob. That would be a bad thing to do, but, you know, maybe that's your thing. Who knows? But thanks to the chat room. Thanks to everyone who hopped in and asked a question. That's always I don't know. To me, it makes it more fun. And we'll be yep. We will. We'll be back next week with another fun filled episode of ask the podcast coach.