Should I Share My Emotions? Can You Be Too Transparent?

Dave Jackson [00:00:00]:
Ask the Podcast coach for February 3, 2024. Let's get ready to podcast.

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Jim Collison [00:00:28]:
Greetings, Dave. Happy Saturday morning to you. Good to be back after a 2 week hiatus. Hopefully, things at Podfest were great.

Dave Jackson [00:00:34]:
It was a lot of fun.

Jim Collison [00:00:36]:
Welcome back to everybody.

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Yeah. It was, yeah. Welcome to the chat room, and, before we forget, This is, we we have breaking news. I need, like, breaking news sound effect or something of the nature. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Because because my friends.

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Dave Jackson [00:04:43]:
And, Jim, before we get into emotions in podcasting, I wanted to say one thing upfront.

Jim Collison [00:04:48]:
Are you singing that song Emotions in your head now?

Dave Jackson [00:04:52]:
Which one? Mariah Carey, Aerosmith?

Jim Collison [00:04:54]:
Yeah. I think I think it's Mariah Carey.

Dave Jackson [00:04:56]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:04:56]:
And it doesn't

Dave Jackson [00:04:57]:
Yeah. She's You Got Me Feeling Emotions. Yeah. Does she do, like, the whistle pitch? Yeah. She does Oh.

Jim Collison [00:05:01]:
Did you like

Dave Jackson [00:05:02]:
the whistle pitch? Yeah. She does the little little dolphin whistle thing. That's, you know, that's her thing.

Jim Collison [00:05:06]:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:05:07]:
Yeah. But I I must say upfront because he's in the chat room, I will never I and he keeps telling me, dude, just let it go. Just let it go. I practiced my speech to induct Daniel j Lewis and Michael Butler into the the Hall of Fame, And I I mean, I ran this thing so many times, but the hard part was how do you get somebody who's been podcasting since 2007 into 3 minutes? Like, just listing all of his products was ridiculous, and somehow I'm copying and pasting and pasting and copying and cop and I ended up saying, Daniel j Lewis started podcasting in 2017. Well, kids, I'm sorry. That's wrong. It's 2007, and I got so, focused on that Yeah. I was just focused because I really did not wanna run over, and I was the first one up.

Dave Jackson [00:05:50]:
Like, I didn't wanna start the show off late, which was kinda funny because it started about 20 minutes late, and I kinda should've just said, ah, pressure off, but, yeah. So Daniel was very nice. Actually, Daniel's speech was was really, really cool. His parents were there, And, the Hall of Fame, the actual people that did their little speechy speeches, phenomenal. The technical people behind it, it was their 1st time doing a live gig, and they learned the valuable lesson. Jim, you know this. Never rely on hotel Wi Fi.

Jim Collison [00:06:22]:
Oh, yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:06:22]:
Yeah. That that that caused a a few issues. But The the thing I thought we'd talk about today because you like, you do a show for Gallup that's very you know, you're representing the company. I know I sweat a little more when I represent Libsyn. It's always, it's always kinda weird. So I can't there are times when there are things I would say If I was Dave from School of Podcasting, but now I'm Dave from Lipson and I can't be as wacky as as normally that I might do, how now are you able to because one of the things that was weird not weird, but, 2 episodes ago on The School of Podcasting, I was talking about this company That is more or less blatantly inflating download numbers, and they didn't seem to really have a problem with that, because The person that paid the money for the service said, I need more downloads, and, apparently, that doesn't that person doesn't really care if they're real or not either. And So in the middle of my my next to the last episode, I did what I call a power rant. And so people came up to me and said, hey.

Dave Jackson [00:07:29]:
I really liked your last episode. And I was like, really? Because it wasn't about playing, launch, or grow. It's about these people in the podcast space, and they said, no. I loved it when you absolutely lost your your blank in the middle of your episode. And and just in case you didn't hear it, here it is.

Jim Collison [00:07:46]:
And now it's time for a power rant.

Dave Jackson [00:07:50]:
All this drives me nuts. When I hear people say this.

Bad Person Hurting Podcasting [00:07:53]:
Well, like, we can't go out and say, you know, we're not going to reeducate the whole universe on what is a difference of listen in a download.

Dave Jackson [00:08:00]:
Oh, actually, you can. You're choosing not to because you're lazy. When people go, well, the buyers don't know how to buy it. Teach them how to buy a do your job. When people went from direct mail to newspapers In magazines and fax machines and emails and newsletter, you had to teach the buyers about the new industry. Do your job. It drives me nuts. Podcast advertising has some of the best return on investment.

Dave Jackson [00:08:36]:
That's why are you having a hard time selling that? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Just go look at the stats here, boys. I'm like, is the buyer like, my name is Leonard Moon. I don't have the brains of an ice cube. I don't understand. Listen. This is a download. I I can't I don't well, I'm so confused. Do your job.

Dave Jackson [00:08:59]:
And so, it actually went on longer than that. I was like, okay. That's enough. And so that was something, and then my last episode and I don't wanna bring the party down, but I Had to say goodbye to a friend at Podfest, Lee Silverstein of the We Have Cancer, has even said on his his Facebook, he's like, hey. I'm checking out soon, And I'm fine with that. No regrets, but he's had stage 4 cancer for, like, 14 years. So the fact that he had 14 years Was amazing anyway, and so that was that was tough. And so I recorded my last Episode, like, I literally got off the plane, drove home, and hit record.

Dave Jackson [00:09:39]:
My voice was all ruined, and, I was was still kind of in the wake of, wow, I just said goodbye to Lee, and that came through the thing, and I had a lot of people reach out to me a lot, meaning, like, 5, but And when you get no feedback and you get 5, all of a sudden you're like, yeah, that seems like a lot. And he also said the same thing. Wow. That was really transparent, And it was, I guess, enter not so much entertaining, but it was just like, wow. That was real. Like, you could tell Dave was Was had been kicked in the pants, and I was just kinda like because the one thing I worry about with a power rant is if you don't know me, You don't realize that that's Dave at the end of a very long fuse. Like, I've wanted to say that for a while, and I heard it just one more time too many and, like, okay. Time to hit the button and and go off for a bit.

Dave Jackson [00:10:26]:
So I was wondering, like, does that make me look like a hothead? And then on the other side, everybody was like, wow. Dave's kinda sad today. And Have you ever had a situation, Jim, where you just kinda like, look, I'm just gonna be real. I'm talking into a mic, and this is who I am, and this is how I feel?

Jim Collison [00:10:41]:
Yeah. Well, you know, with the CliftonStrengths work that I do, that's a that's a personal assessment tool, right, where we talk about who you are and what you do and emotions and and those kinds of things. So it lends itself to be pretty, personal In nature, it lends itself to I'm kind of allowed to to live a little bit in that space. I can't do a power rant. You know, I can't I can't lose I can't lose it on air so to speak. And we record everything live, so it it would be I I need to be very, very careful. But, Early on in the podcast, we had a cast we had a cohost pass away suddenly, had a heart attack on a Saturday, always mowing his lawn. And, you know, we we struggle with that, and and he'd been a mentor to me and had was very important in my life and the things that I do.

Jim Collison [00:11:31]:
We had to come on and talk about that. We took a break for a while. The very first podcast we did post his death, which was a couple months later, We did a little kinda little memorial video for him. Then I remember I interviewed his son on the last this was a season worth of podcast. And I interviewed his son, to kinda wrap up that season, and I remember at the end of the show doing a little, you know, kinda doing a little tribute, and I I I had a hard time holding it together. Yeah. You know? But very appropriate for for that, you know, for that audience, For what we were doing, for what was happening, you know, that was not, and I don't I don't know if there's ever an inappropriate time to show emotions on a podcast. And and maybe there are, but I think it's authentic.

Jim Collison [00:12:22]:
It's the authentic you. It's you. I mean, kind of what makes that power rant, powerful is it's you. It's all about you, and you gotta be careful what you do. Yeah. You know, when you're when the emotions are flowing, you have to be careful. Sometimes, you know, sometimes you say things you shouldn't say or sometimes you do things you shouldn't do or whatever, right, because the emotions overwhelm you, and that's the hard part of it, but Authenticity and being authentic, I don't think there's anything wrong, you know, with that. And it's I get the opportunity often to say things that invoke emotions.

Jim Collison [00:12:58]:
And and for our audience, it works.

Dave Jackson [00:13:01]:
Yeah. Gary says it's a bummer when teammates mistake passion for anger. Yeah. Or, the Z man says Authentic emotion helps engage your audience. That I think is true, because I had people like, I've I've felt that or this and that. So anything that, you know, can make your audience kinda connect to you. So that's the one that kinda got me was somebody said, I he goes, the reason I follow you because I wanna follow somebody that has that Passion for podcasting, and he goes, really? He goes, that wasn't so much about he goes, yes. You were trying to make sure people were aware of this Horrible practice.

Dave Jackson [00:13:38]:
He goes, but, really, you're you're protecting the whole podcasting space with that thing. Like, hey, everybody, you know, do this kind of thing. So I thought it was Was, it was just interesting. I didn't expect you know, I was really thinking again, as always happens, there are times when you put out episodes and you go, is this gonna work? And you get, you know, 5 people sending you feedback, and then other times, you put out that episode that you think is gonna be amazing, and they're gonna love it, and you get crickets. So Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:14:04]:
Let's let's be clear, though. Emotion does make some people uncomfortable.

Dave Jackson [00:14:09]:
Oh, yeah.

Jim Collison [00:14:10]:
And so you you're you In in these cases, you you you heard some some positive feedback on it. Did you get any negative feedback? Did anybody did

Dave Jackson [00:14:30]:
teacher, because I am, and I'm like, but not in that clip. And I was like, kinda same thing with, like, the what the podcast rodeo show when I find somebody and I go, hey. Like, there's way too many umms in this. Like, you you can say you just can't say every like, there was, like, a minute where they had, like I'm not making this up. 8 to 10 umms. It was just, you know, everything they were doing, and it was it was umms like that. You could easily cut out. I was like, when I when I notice it, That's when it becomes a a handle.

Dave Jackson [00:14:59]:
So I I'm always worried when I always try to now kind of say this is what I liked about the show, and this is what I thought needed polish. So you're always worried about, you know, upsetting people and and the people that have let's somebody goes like, well, this guy's a whack job. You know, well, they're just gonna leave. That's the person I always used to teach in customer service class. I go, how many times have you had bad food at a restaurant? You didn't say anything. When you leave, you pay your bill, and they go, how was everything? And you're like, good. You don't say a thing, and then you walk out and you never go back. And so I'm always worried about if and I guess for the record, if you if you get into that thought too deep, you'll never record anything.

Dave Jackson [00:15:39]:
Because if you're always worried about offending someone, you'll never record because you're gonna offend somebody or somebody's not gonna like you. We did have a discussion on that at Podfest of, like, you have to be okay that not everyone is gonna like you, and that's just for some of us, that's hard to do. Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:15:57]:
No, it it is we're here because we we we're driven in that way. We're driven to to influence and we want people to like us. That's why we're we Oftentimes, we do what we do. Not not all not all podcasters. There's there's there's other personalities as well, but I think, I I remember Dave one time, I got really passionate. I did something. I was I was back in my college days, and I did something, and it didn't work. And I was really angry, and I wrote kind of, this is this is actually pre email.

Jim Collison [00:16:26]:
Kinda wrote a letter to a community that I that I had gathered, and I was really angry. Like, and I was just, like, if we're really gonna you know, I was trying to, like, plant a flag. You know, like, if we're gonna do this, we all need to be on board. Yeah. Smartest thing I ever did was put the letter aside, went to bed, woke up the next morning, Read it again, tore it up. I was like, okay, it served its purpose Yeah. By helping me get those emotions out. Now You're recording a live podcast.

Jim Collison [00:16:55]:
You have to be I think you have to be careful in this because you get you've said it in, you know, on social yourself, You write in ink. That stuff is not gonna has the potential not to go away, so you have to be careful with it. But I think sometimes it's good to write that email And then let it sit. Don't send. I know you want to. Every fiber in your body wants you to send that email. Hold off. Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:17:19]:
Right? Wait. Sleep on it. Come back the next morning. If it still has the same power the next day, there's something about sleep, right, that resets us a little bit, That kinda puts us in a spot of maybe some clarity, maybe some especially a good night's sleep. Maybe, you know, puts us in a better light. If it still makes sense the next day, send it. If it doesn't, delete it. Right? This this is not worth.

Jim Collison [00:17:44]:
Sometimes it's just no. But the I guess the point I'm making, sometimes the act of doing that, it and maybe for you, it's sitting down and recording it rather than writing it, but record it non live. And then come back the next day before you and watch it again and go, do I still have that same emotion today that I had yesterday? Maybe a good maybe a good, Yeah. Speed bump.

Dave Jackson [00:18:05]:
If if we if we get well, number 1, I was kicked out of a band for a angry email that I sent Because the bass player Yeah. The bass player sent out a thing to all of the the fans of the band, but he He didn't blind carbon copy. Like, he put my email in carbon copy, not blind carbon copy, so my entire You know, all the fans of the band got my email, and they're all like, hey. Check out my Etsy store, and I'm like, I I just I just blasted him, and he was like, yeah. That's enough of that. And so which was was so, yeah, my ex wife once sent a a text to me that was absolutely brutal, And I later, she was said something. I'm like, do I need to show you the text? Because that's the other thing when you do it in email or in audio or whatever, and I'm here to tell you people screenshot that stuff. Even if it's a tweet and you take it down, somebody got a screenshot of it.

Dave Jackson [00:18:58]:
So yeah. But I just, I I think it's kinda handy. I mean, I love, Randy Cantrell says, I'm channeling Screamin' A. Smith. If you've ever watched ESPN, Stephen a. Smith, likes to scream about everything, and then Craig over at livewellandflourish.com. Patience has its limits Even for a very patient teacher. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:19:20]:
My my best friend that I've known since I was in 6th grade, he goes, dude, you have the longest fuse of everybody I know, and he goes, but when it goes, You come out, and you go for the jugular. He's like, so I I know. He's like, when Dave's about to blow, we we all should back away a bit, it's there. And then Z Man says, for me, it was hilarious, the the rant, because they've just seemed fed up with that conversation. Yeah. I at that point, that whole conversation was weird, And, Tim Bryan says, I'm watching on my desktop with my kiddos and are watching cartoons. Tim, I need you to email me, school of podcasting@gmail.com because here's the thing, Tim keeps saying, I'm looking forward to seeing you in Kentucky, And I reached out to Jen from Bourbon Barrel Podcasting, I think, or something, and I know I'm speaking sometime in Kentucky. It's not on my calendar, And I can't get anybody to go, hey.

Dave Jackson [00:20:11]:
Like, when and where am I going in Kentucky in Feb I just know I am. And when I saw Tim at at, Indie PodCon, he's like, I can't wait for February, And I'm kinda like, yeah. Me neither. I I just need to know when and where because I know I'm going.

Jim Collison [00:20:25]:
What what event is this? It sounds awesome. I know. Yeah. Bourbon?

Dave Jackson [00:20:28]:
It a no. It's no. She because she's in Kentucky. And if you're not from Kentucky, there's a lot of bourbon involved, Jack Daniels and a couple other places. Know?

Jim Collison [00:20:37]:
Well, they're in Tennessee.

Dave Jackson [00:20:39]:
Tennessee. Yeah. But Close enough.

Jim Collison [00:20:41]:
There's there's a lot of bourbon in Kentucky. Trust me.

Dave Jackson [00:20:44]:
And so, Yeah. It's a it's just a Kentucky meetup, you know, like a local meetup. And Oh. For me, if you're that's like Kentucky's Maybe 5 hours away, if that. Not too far. Yeah. And I'll be happy.

Jim Collison [00:20:57]:
It was closer for me. You know, it's 12 for us. Yeah. So, it's just a long day to get there, you know. I just wish it was a little bit a little bit closer, but easier on family. We have family out there, and I was just out there. So, it's It's, it it it was beautiful, but it snowed. But, yeah.

Jim Collison [00:21:13]:
It's, it's emotions are I mean, they're good, Ann. I I hate to call them bad. I think just be careful with them.

Dave Jackson [00:21:21]:
Yeah. You

Jim Collison [00:21:22]:
know? They're listen. They're very powerful. When they are working, You're authentic and you're I I I think, you know, I was able to share a little bit about my, you know, I had surgery. I had prostate surgery back in December, And I was able to share some of that. Listen, I was I was a little scared for that and, you know, shared that with people. And I got a lot of positive Feedback and support from this community and from my podcast community at at Home Gadget Geeks. So and then I had people say thanks for like, it you know, My neighbor up the street is, like, okay, how do I how do I go get this checked? Like Yeah. You know, well, you need a schedule, physical, right, some of those kinds of things.

Jim Collison [00:22:01]:
So You you don't wanna just strip all of that away. And I and I think it can be helpful, and and I think people it draws it does draw people. That's it will push some way. There's people who are uncomfortable with emotion.

Dave Jackson [00:22:14]:
Our buddy, Dan, over at based on a true story podcast .com, if you do it too much, it can drive people away too. I simply can't watch ESPN when Stephen a Smith comes on because he screams about everything. What do you mean LeBron is no big bad behavior? Yeah. Yeah. My whole thing about sports, Especially ESPN, I swear it was kinda like, okay. Skip, here's your script today. You hate LeBron, and, Steven, here is your script. You love oh, wait.

Dave Jackson [00:22:39]:
Let's switch those around here. Steven, today you love Lebron, and they just like, alright, and go. And they're like, what? And they just scream at each other, and I'm like, this is Like, it's just enter it's Jerry Springer with a different topic. You know what I mean? They're just yelling at each other, and I'm like, I guess that's entertainment.

Jim Collison [00:22:55]:
So It is for some. I mean, there's some people who I mean, listen. Jerry Springer didn't stay on as long as he did because people found him boring. I mean, he was Right. Wildly popular among a certain segment of population. And so it it that that paid the bills. They don't and You don't make it on TV losing money. The second it looks like it's not gonna work, you are gone.

Jim Collison [00:23:17]:
Yeah. And so, you know, he was People are drawn to that. I never I don't think I've ever watched a complete episode of a Jerry Springer show.

Dave Jackson [00:23:24]:
No. I've seen you.

Jim Collison [00:23:25]:
Soon as I see chairs flying, I'm kinda like, alright. I had enough of this growing up. So, you know, the we just didn't need you know, but there are there's a segment you'll attract with who I think, Dave, I would say, just Be authentic Yeah. With what you do. That's it. Right.

Dave Jackson [00:23:41]:
Well, that's the other thing. Works.

Jim Collison [00:23:44]:
You're authentic in that.

Dave Jackson [00:23:45]:
Yeah. You wouldn't wanna, like, Alright, Jim. What are we gonna argue about today? I don't know. I don't really have like, okay. We have to come up. We have to argue to be entertaining. No. That's not That's not gonna work.

Jim Collison [00:23:56]:
I totally disagree with you, Dave. You should never show emotion. Sorry. I I was reading off the other script.

Dave Jackson [00:24:02]:
That's it. Well, shifting gears here, Chris Nesi, you gotta love Chris Nesi, has a question, and this is similar to, the question of the month for the next episode of The School of Podcasting. I know it's a week it's a week late. He said putting up quotation marks Because I didn't feel like assembling. A question of the month for The School of Podcasting, it took me almost an hour just to get the audio together from all the answers. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying it's it it takes a little more work. But Chris has a a question that's very similar to The question of the month that you'll hear, which is what what's something new you're gonna do, he he voiced it as this.

Dave Jackson [00:24:39]:
What is something you wanna try with your podcast but you haven't done yet? That's a kind of question. I still think there's a part I can't make up my mind on Tik tock. Like, I have a TikTok channel. For a while, I was putting little shorts over there, and the I have to find it. It was somebody on YouTube It was gonna talk about, and they called it the absolutely impossible act of getting somebody from 1 platform to another. In other words, how do I get somebody from YouTube to listen to my podcast? How do I get somebody from TikTok to listen to my getting from Instagram to it it's like it's They like Instagram. That's why they're on Instagram, and they like TikTok, you know, so when you try to get them on that but that's one that I was like I did for Maybe a month and kinda was like, meh. You know? And I I need to go over there now because all that music got yanked off.

Dave Jackson [00:25:38]:
I understand it's very funny to watch people dance with no music. That's been but can you think of anything that you You wanna try that you haven't?

Jim Collison [00:25:49]:
Yeah. This has been the journey I've been on for the last couple years with HomeGadgets. The the Gallup stuff writes itself, so I don't ever ever have to I mean, we keep coming up with new things, and I can just do those and Right. That stuff writes itself. That's that's super easy. But on Home Gage Geeks, you know, I have 13 year old tech podcast that's, you know, that's gadget related that it's So tired for me, it's a little bit of a tired format, and I've tried reinventing it a couple times just to see where I wanna go, and I think I'm still in that place of asking that question. That's the exact question I ask myself every Saturday morning when I'm doing edits for that show before this one is I'm like, What can I do differently that would get me excited again? Because I don't know if I'm Mhmm. I I'm committed.

Jim Collison [00:26:31]:
I've done, you know, 598 episodes. It'd be a shame to quit, 2 before 600. Right? We're almost there. But I asked I asked myself that question a lot. What would change my what would be something, A format I could add or a way I could do it. The tech industry has changed drastically in the 13 years we've been doing this, and it's just a different It's a different place today than it was 13 years ago, and and people are in a different place with it. So it's a good question. I'm asking it all the time.

Jim Collison [00:27:02]:
I think it's one we need to keep asking ourselves.

Dave Jackson [00:27:05]:
Yeah. Because I don't I don't know that I'm the kind of person that, Like, if I wanna try something, I just try it. I'm not that afraid to try new stuff.

Jim Collison [00:27:16]:
Right. Right.

Dave Jackson [00:27:18]:
So and then it's like I remember I I still have the jingle, and it's, the idea was to say, hey. 2 years ago, I was talking about this, and I have this English guy go, no. There's, history lesson. There's a school of podcasting, something, whatever it was, and it has all this classical music. And I did it, like, twice, and I was like, yeah. Meh. It wasn't it's like, I thought it'd be a neat idea, but when he did it, I was like, this this is not meh. I get the whole point.

Dave Jackson [00:27:46]:
I didn't have anybody say, hey. I'm so glad you mentioned what you were doing 2 years ago, and I just was like, yeah. I tried that. It wasn't, it wasn't really my thing. And I was like, but but the only way you know Is if you try it. Ralph from askralph.com, a $20 patron, we should say. I'm really thinking about doing some quick questions, some quick question answer on Shorts or TikTok to drive people to my platforms. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:28:11]:
It's I think it like, all social oh, and you nah. I'm not gonna I'm just gonna say this. In the episode of The School of Podcasting coming up where people talk about what they're not gonna do, social media does not fare well. A lot of people are like, yeah. I think I'm done with, because it it's a it's a trickle. Everything we do is a trickle. I think that's the The biggest problem with podcasting is we are looking for that 10,000 download switch where we just you know, we flip it and the happy music starts, And we're like, hey. Look.

Dave Jackson [00:28:42]:
10,000 downloads. Oh my god. Yeah. It doesn't work that way. I wish it was. I I always tell people, the minute I find it, let you know, but in the meantime, it's like, oh, I know. I'm gonna start a newsletter. Oh, I know.

Dave Jackson [00:28:55]:
I'm gonna start oh, I I need to do more on Instagram, And it's like none of that is a 10,000 download switch, and it's frustrating as all get out, especially and I'm really Kind of, interested to see if you haven't heard in a in a slight pivot of of topic here. Joe Rogan got $250,000,000. So they Spotify reupped him. So here's a good thing. And the other thing you'll notice, Right after Call Me Daddy is no longer exclusive, Joe Rogan hears $250,000,000. We get to sell ads on your shelf. That's Spotify. So he's staying he's staying on Spotify, but he's also on Apple.

Dave Jackson [00:29:35]:
He's not exclusive anymore. So I think that's the official end of the Exclusive deals in podcasting, I think we've all figured out that that kinda didn't work. What it did is every time Joe did something. The whole point was to bring people onto the pod the Spotify platform hoping that somebody would give them $10 a month. And, also, if it showed there are more users on the platform, whether they're paying or not, it made their stock go up, which is Why? I think they did some of that, but, so congrats to Joe. I don't know what he's gonna do now with his 450,000,000. I think he's you know, Maybe, dinner's on Joe tonight. I don't know, but I was like, holy cow, but it's gonna be inter because I'm I don't know about you.

Dave Jackson [00:30:16]:
I I don't listen to Joe. I think Joe's show would be great If he, I don't know, did this thing called editing, you know, I 3 hours. Oh my god. Jeez. So that's, That's interesting. But People

Jim Collison [00:30:30]:
love that people love that format though.

Dave Jackson [00:30:32]:
Yeah. And

Jim Collison [00:30:32]:
I I think I said on this show, I had someone at work come to me and say, You know, there's this guy it's so funny. There's this guy. You probably haven't heard of him. His name is Joe Rogan. Yeah. And he's doing 3 hour podcasts. Have you ever thought of doing, like, for this is for the work podcast. You ever thought about doing 3 hour podcast? I'm, like, are you kidding me? Like, so, you know, it was one of those that kinda had to say, hey, look, there's formats and we have a winning format.

Jim Collison [00:30:59]:
It works really, really well with our audience. We've been around long enough. We've attracted an audience that likes that. And I and I guess this is related to that. If you're just always chasing the latest success format And say, oh, well, Joe Rogan did it. That way, it's a so you're gonna change your show to 3 hours, and then pretty soon some YouTuber is gonna, you know, be successful With it's gonna set a record in with 15 second podcast, and then you're gonna go, well, I'm I'm gonna chase that. I I just, Like, you know, learn from them, but, but the consistency in that and be you, and I guess is what I would say to this, Is this works for Rogan because he loves doing it that long. Like, he loves having these long, super high, Super drunk conversations.

Jim Collison [00:31:47]:
Right. Because he's good at it. He's really, really good at it. And they're interesting for for some people, and I and a lot of people. Right? That's his sweet spot. That's what he's really, really, really good at and I would say to you, find that thing that you're really good at And and then maximize that. Just keep doing it. Do do what you do.

Jim Collison [00:32:08]:
The best feedback that you get matched with the thing that you do well, continue to do that. That would be that'd be my advice.

Dave Jackson [00:32:14]:
I remember once I was at a Nashville podcast meetup, and I'm walking in, there's some guys. I'm like, guys, go to the podcast thing? I'm going to the podcast thing. Great. I'm like, so tell me about your show, and I forget what he called it. He's like, you know, it's just me and a couple buds. We do it Rogan style, And I go, what is Rogan's style? And he's like, well, it's a couple hours long. We just talk about whatever, and that's where I saw a guy today on Reddit. He's like, I'm thinking of starting a video podcast.

Dave Jackson [00:32:40]:
What do I need to do that? It's just gonna be me and my friends just having a conversation, and And I'm like, look. I don't wanna discourage you, but not every conversation needs to be public. And I go, keep

Jim Collison [00:32:53]:
that interesting.

Dave Jackson [00:32:54]:
Yeah. Keep in mind that like, I could do a podcast with my buddy, and you'd hear us talk about guitars and the fact that we're getting old, you know, and but in the end, like, is that really like, does the world need that podcast? And and going back to if you just need to get this off your chest, By all means, just get it off your chest, but it's the expectations. I always say, I'm like, well, a podcast is kind of a conversation with the boring parts removed, And if 80% of your content is inside joke, and I'm not gonna get it because I wasn't there when you were 14, Like, that's kinda boring. So it's, I if in fact, I'll put a link in the show notes. I have a, a YouTube video that says how to do a podcast like Joe Rogan, And it's gotten some pretty nasty comments on it because I basically say, okay. Start 12 years ago because he started like, he It took him, like, 8 years, I think, to get an album out, and when he started, he was in, like, his closet. His very first if you can find him on well, maybe on YouTube. His first couple Joe Rogan things were, you know, grainy, dark, awful, you know, but I'm like, he didn't start off, like, getting Millions of downloads, and people are like, I thought you're gonna tell me how to do it.

Dave Jackson [00:34:06]:
I'm like, well, I just did. Like, be on TV for 5 years. That helps. You know? So it's always kinda interesting to to see that. We are getting some comments here. Gary says, I'm with you on that, Dave. I have become Jade about social media. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:34:21]:
I'm just it's one of those things. Here's the thing. If you ever noticed that, you know, sometimes the return Like, there's a difference between being active and what I call exercise because exercise kinda makes me sore in the morning because I pushed it a little harder. Much better result than walking at 1.3 miles an hour. Right? That's being Active. That's me walking. It's not really exercise. There's a difference between the 2.

Dave Jackson [00:34:51]:
Craig says, Pat Flynn. It might have been Pat Flynn that kinda said being everywhere. I'd be happy to be somewhere on social media these days rather than yeah. Be everywhere is I I get his point. I think he later came out and said, be everywhere you can be good. Because when you try to be everywhere, you're like you know? And you take the 1 tweet, you try to put that on threads, and and this doesn't work on Instagram, and it doesn't work on TikTok, so gotta change it for everything, and, yeah. So, Dan is saying, in my honest opinion, one reason he's good at that long unedited, I'm assuming Rogan here is because of his years doing stand up, that helped him to hone down how to talk for a long time while being entertaining. That's the key, Being entertained.

Dave Jackson [00:35:34]:
The other thing

Jim Collison [00:35:34]:
curious too.

Dave Jackson [00:35:35]:
He's really curious. And the other thing is he has people on that are really interesting. Now not always to me because he kinda goes on like Neil DeGrasse Tyson is, like, the super

Jim Collison [00:35:46]:
Tyson?

Dave Jackson [00:35:47]:
Yeah. Tyson. Yeah. Thank you. Titan is all or Tyson.

Jim Collison [00:35:51]:
Titan would work too. He's a titan

Dave Jackson [00:35:53]:
Yeah. In his

Jim Collison [00:35:53]:
in his space.

Dave Jackson [00:35:54]:
He goes nothing just a topic I kinda like. I I don't care about, you know, black holes in the Whatever, you know, that's just not my jam.

Jim Collison [00:36:02]:
Yeah. But Neil makes it interesting. He does. He's a he he does. He has a good pitch with the. Listen, do you think Rogan has a team that's doing giant amounts of research for him before he gets on a 3 hour podcast and has Some things late. I listen. I know he's

Dave Jackson [00:36:17]:
I know he's got 2. I know he's got it's him and the guy that's playing videos. I would assume he's got somebody else. Somebody's gotta be booking the guest. Imagine.

Jim Collison [00:36:27]:
Well, I mean, he's had some really, really interesting people in there, and he's asked some really, really interesting questions. And and I I just you know, he's gotten some help, I think. Yeah. I think. I don't know. I but I would imagine he's gotten some help making sure there's a lot of A lot of leg work that goes into that. And then he makes it sound like it's not. It makes it sound like he's you know, just kinda wondering, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Jim Collison [00:36:50]:
I'm just kinda wondering, what if I did go the speed of light? And, you know, and and I I often wonder with those kinds of guests Just how much in advance they've worked out the questions, so they're ready for those kinds of things. Like, especially with Neil deGrasse Tyson, He he's got some stories he comes up with that are very detailed. And I know listen, he's a smart guy, really good at telling stories, But I just kind of wonder how much prep goes into, hey, you know, hey, we're gonna ask you, these are some questions we're gonna go in, make sure you've got some Stuff ready to go in in that area as well. I guess what I'm saying is they I bet they do quite a bit of show prep.

Dave Jackson [00:37:31]:
It'd be interesting.

Jim Collison [00:37:32]:
Bad thing. It's not a bad thing. Preparation makes it look spontaneous. I think that's what most people don't realize. Spontaneity is not really spontaneity. I mean, you can have it and every once in a while it works. But actually over preparation and then setting back on what you already know, That provides I think that provides the groundwork for Spot Navy when you've over prepared. So

Dave Jackson [00:37:55]:
It definitely helps if you know the answer you're of the question you're about to ask because you're then you can kinda you're steering the conversation

Jim Collison [00:38:03]:
Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:38:03]:
Into an entertaining way.

Jim Collison [00:38:05]:
Yeah. And you don't answer it yourself. Right? That's the key.

Dave Jackson [00:38:08]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:38:08]:
That's the key. You you you you are you're guiding the guest to a spot you know their sweet spot. Don't take it away from them. You know, don't go in and go. Don't don't answer the question when you ask it.

Dave Jackson [00:38:21]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:38:22]:
Hey. I know the, you know, I, I know the the speed of light is a 150,000 feet per second or whatever. And, and and I know that the sun travel you know, let the guest that this is their specialty, you know. You know, Let them I I think I hear more and more people trying to ask the try to be they're trying to be as smart as the guest. This is why

Dave Jackson [00:38:45]:
I need to get

Jim Collison [00:38:45]:
my guest on. Yeah. Rogan is Rogan is good at this. He does not he'll ask the question first

Dave Jackson [00:38:50]:
And get out of the way.

Jim Collison [00:38:51]:
Guest, be smart. Yeah. Then he'll add his own stuff.

Dave Jackson [00:38:54]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:38:55]:
Right? Yeah. Then he'll come back and say, hey. Tell me your expertise. Let's make you look smart. And then then say, Hey. So the way I understand this is, boom, he he says what he thinks, then he passes it back to the guest. Hey. So, you know and he may even put a little controversial thing in there to get the guest to then kind of fight back a little bit.

Jim Collison [00:39:19]:
Right? It's it's it's really good technique. Joe's technique, if he he does a clinic and asking questions. He does a nice job doing it.

Dave Jackson [00:39:28]:
My favorite, to watch a, I love the guy. He's just he's just so weird at this point. But to watch an interviewer interview David Lee Roth Because, a, you don't know where you're going, and, b, you don't understand like, you know? So, Dave, back in eighties, woulda, like, And then Dave answers like, well, you

Dave Jackson [00:39:49]:
know what, man? The the Chevy Mountain doesn't run on orange juice.

Dave Jackson [00:39:53]:
And you just watch the interviewer go, What? The Chevy Mountain doesn't run on or you know? And Rogan, it's it's interesting because Rogan did a pretty because Dave will go all over the place, and you don't know what he's talking about. And Rogue did a pretty good job of, like, alright, we're still talking about like, he and he came in there to talk about some sort of stuff you rub on tattoos. Like, Dave, of course, was promoting something, but he is always all over the place. And it was funny when he was young and drunk, But now you're like, Dave, like, what? What do you what? It's very weird. Mhmm. Ralph says, I did a show that was released today. There you go. With Craig over at livewellandflurs.com, and the truth we came was that if you can reach just 1 person with your message, you've really accomplished something.

Dave Jackson [00:40:38]:
So, yeah, that's going back to the whole emotion conversation of, you know, contacting and getting involved with your audience. So, and then Randy says in his opinion, Randy Cantrell, how is the yellow studio? I need to to check-in. I know he's been moving it, and it's It's like half done.

Jim Collison [00:40:54]:
I've given some updates for it

Dave Jackson [00:40:56]:
too. Yeah. Yeah. I need to I just realized. I'm like, I need to go check up on that show. One of Joe's strengths Is his curiosity to ask whatever he wants. Yeah. One of my favorite because I I'll go over, and half of his guests I've never heard of.

Dave Jackson [00:41:09]:
But I remember once, it was during the presidential election, and Bernie Sanders was running for president, and Bernie just got and, again, Joe asked great questions. I remember Bernie talking about how the presidential debates are completely worthless, and it's just a sound bite farm, And how he he really just kind of explained how all, you know, our, quote, awesome government and how it works and people vote and blah blah. It was kinda like, yeah. This none of this is Really like, the way it really works, it's all about, you know, lobbyists and blah blah. So I was like, wow. This guy is totally, you know, Pulling the curtain back on how the government works. So, Craig says the ripple effect is real. You may think you're only affecting 1 person, But it may impact you.

Dave Jackson [00:41:53]:
Yeah. But your impacts may be much larger than you think. I had somebody, right before I went to, Podfest, And I it was funny, and I don't remember the number. I think I wanna say 871, but they emailed me and said, hey. I just wanna let you know I shared episode 871 with a friend because it changed my life, and I'm like, wait. What did I say in 8 I think that was it if I remember right. But there are times when, you know, we're all going, hey. Is this on? Anybody? Anybody out there? Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:42:22]:
Yeah. Somebody emails you and goes, that was amazing. And you're like, Really? What what I say? I don't know. It's not,

Jim Collison [00:42:36]:
You said something on a podcast 4 years ago about the way, I was mentioning at work, I like to go down into our atrium. You know, we have this Open atrium area where everybody, the dining room is down there. It's lots of people moving around. And I'm actually most productive in that kind of environment, Like in a train station, in a in an airport, you know, busy coffee shops. For some reason, that noise helps me kinda lock in or, in the in in those days, I would have 4 or 5 meetings, 5 minute meetings that would have been 30 minute meetings if we would have scheduled them. They come by. Hey, I need to talk to you oops, sorry. We need to talk to you about this, and we'd have these quick meetings.

Jim Collison [00:43:19]:
And anyway, so I was talking about that and this person said the light bulb came on. And I realized I need to be in busy places so much so that my when I told my boss this, they moved me into an Office that is in the busiest place of of the building, and I try to get up from time to time and make my way into into areas where there's crowds of people. And they said revolutionary. Like, I have never been more productive. Thank you for that. Thanks for that advice. That was, like, 4 or 5 years ago just Sharing sharing a story about who I am and what makes me work well and those kinds of things, and you never know, you know, like you said, you never know who it's gonna impact. It does.

Jim Collison [00:44:00]:
Listen, that does require you being authentic. When people say Thank you. You like working in spaces? Like, for some people, that's a nightmare. I mean, There's people listening to this right now who are sweating because I said, I like to work in busy places, and they're like, they That's the anxiety is already starting to well up inside of them, right, as they think about that. No, I need focus. So again, back to the back to the authenticity, Part of it. You gotta be willing to share that and and now that's not a big risk, just to be honest. That's not a big risk, but you share it And you do.

Jim Collison [00:44:35]:
You get that you get that feedback. It was it was it's pretty great to get an email on a Tuesday morning that's like and I think this one came in via LinkedIn messenger, but it's like, hey, You're you're you changed the way I work. Thank you. You know? The way I work. So

Dave Jackson [00:44:49]:
Yeah. I think I know I can't listen to podcasts while I work because, a, I have to troubleshoot, and my brain really has to focus on what I'm doing, but I could easily have some sort of noise in the background that's the problem is if it's one thing, I go and focus on that one thing. If it's a bunch of different no and it's just like white noise in the background, that would be perfect for me. Speaking of of effects you have on people, Gary says, I just got invited to be the intro voice of a new podcast in the UK because of my voice, And I live here in the US of A. Is that because of my podcast story, Gary? Is that is that something you need to send over, school to podcasting.com/contact? That might be good. Yeah. You never know. And then the, the other big news that happened while we're at Podfest, And there, we'll have to see which which which mindset are you of, Jim Collison, and that is Apple is adding transcripts to their app.

Dave Jackson [00:45:48]:
That's a beautiful thing. It's really cool because what will happen is it will show, like, your words and then not so much Follow the bouncing ball, but the words will become bold as you say that. That's cool, and so this may help, you know, discoverability, things like that. So the the good side, are you a good witch or a bad witch? Right? This is all about, accessibility for for, you know, deaf people and such. So it's that. There's that. Oh, we're doing it, and the beautiful thing is they're using the podcasting 2 point o spec. Hint, hint.

Dave Jackson [00:46:23]:
Spotify, not a walled garden. Apple is embracing the open spec. Hello, which everyone in the Podcasting 2 point o space, we're like, yay. Tip of the hat. Almost makes us feel like we're legit. So that's cool. So now people that are deaf can read our podcast. That's awesome, and it's great.

Dave Jackson [00:46:43]:
Or is it more for the advertising base so we can see if you're brand safe. I hate that word. I really every time I say brand safe, I just I just It is in my head. Like, bread thing. But it's like, is that really what it's for? I know it's accessibility. We're free. But is it really just them to Let's

Jim Collison [00:47:05]:
let's be clear. They've been doing this for a while. Like, this isn't a new these behind the scenes checking your podcast, I mean, both Apple and Google and Spotify have been monitoring everything you've been doing on your podcast for the last couple of years. If you'd think otherwise, welcome, you know, welcome to 2024, my friends. So there a lot of that's already been going on in the background. I think, That feature, the follow along feature, Otter has had for years. It's so that's not that's not necessarily new. The it'll be interesting to see, and I and I haven't used it yet, but I haven't checked it yet.

Jim Collison [00:47:44]:
Be interesting to see the accuracy. I would expect that to not be very good. Yeah. If they follow the trends, the transcription trends of the of the past, maybe they'll surprise us. Maybe this is one of those things where it gets a little bit better. Hey. Garbage in, garbage out. When I'm doing live podcasting, my sentences are all over the place.

Jim Collison [00:48:03]:
So they don't they don't make any sense. AI can even fix me sometimes. So, you know, we'll we'll have to see what that quality is on that. The exciting the exciting news or the benefit of this is the 2 point o news that you're talking about that this is this will Push that along a little bit faster, I think, and make it a little more legit, and I think you'll see it get picked up more. Not right away, maybe, But but but maybe here by the end of the year or the beginning next year, I think you'll you'll now see most people switch over to that. And that's I think that's only good. Regardless of how you feel about Bitcoin and all that other stuff, all those other shenanigans that are going inside that that 2 point o, it'll it it's good. It's it's more.

Jim Collison [00:48:48]:
It's more things. Right? There's some there's some great things going on inside that, And, and and this will help push it along.

Dave Jackson [00:48:55]:
Well, this is the thing I thought about it this morning is, that whole initiative is, I think, 3 years old now, something of that nature. And

Jim Collison [00:49:03]:
2 point o?

Dave Jackson [00:49:04]:
Yeah. And it was kinda like, look. Instead of waiting for Apple to do this, we're gonna start it, And we're gonna have these new apps. There's, like, 14 apps now that support a lot of this stuff, and we're gonna urge our audience to use these at modern podcastapps.com. And if we get enough people doing this, the tail will wag the dog, and Apple will go, wait a minute. If if more people are going over here because we don't have their stuff, maybe we'll have to add our stuff. So I don't know that because it is. Can I, Rob Walsh is taking a lot of heat for this? Rob is not a huge fan of Podcasting 2.0 because Rob is a very logical guy, and Rob added up all the percentages of the apps that support Podcasting 2 point o, and it's It is small, and people are like, well, he criticized podcasting 2 point o.

Dave Jackson [00:49:59]:
I go, no. He he's he's reporting The fact that the percentage of podcasts that are using that is small, that's not, I think, this is stupid. I I need to go back and listen to the feed, but I've heard a lot of people say he's criticizing 2 point o. I'm like, no. I don't think he's a fan because it's a small subgroup at this point. And I'm like, he's allowed to have an opinion. And then the other thing I thought that wasn't fair is they recorded the feed A week before it came out because, you know, Podfest, it came out the day before Apple announced that, You know, they're embedding transcripts right after Rob said, I don't think Apple's gonna embrace any of this stuff. Well, that was still the day before, and then it was announced the day after.

Dave Jackson [00:50:43]:
And people like, Look at him. And I'm like, yeah. He said it the day before. If he said it the day after, I think he would look stupid, but there are a lot of people taking shots at Rob. And I'm like, I need to go back and listen because I don't remember Rob anywhere criticizing it. He just reported it that The number of people that are using it is low, and I'm like, that's not criticizing. That's just reporting, I don't know, truth At this point, you know, now do we want that number to be bigger? Sure. And did he not sound like he was really gung ho about it? Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:51:12]:
He's definitely not gung ho about it, but, Like well, you know, but a lot of people are like, oh, he's criticizing. I'm like, I don't know. I think there's a little there's there's some bias there between, certain reporters and Rob that they just don't get along, and they like to you know? And and when you misquote Rob, it just makes him dislike you even more. So, Careful with that, everyone, but I I was just like, who cares? But I am in I I am excited about it, and I've seen it. There's if you go to Pod News Pod News, there's a, there's a video showing the beta version, and in true Apple fashion, it's absolutely gorgeous. A little button, you click it, and the words come up in that whole 9 yards. And then Dan says, I wonder if this means other apps that use Apple Podcasts Directory will support transcripts. That's a good point.

Dave Jackson [00:52:00]:
Here's the one thing again. Hello, Spotify. Did you hear what they said? Apple lets you. They will do a transcript for you whether you want 1 or not, but if you go, look. I've already got 1, and I edited it because, you know, AI, not the best transcript. I've made 1, and I've and you can go in and say no. Use mine, and then in, hopefully, your media host, you can put in the link to your, SRT, or I wanna say TTV or TVV, or there's there's 2 versions of

Jim Collison [00:52:29]:
this. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:52:30]:
And so I don't know

Jim Collison [00:52:31]:
what that is too.

Dave Jackson [00:52:32]:
Yeah. But, it's It's cool. I'm like, alright. It's just another another thing showing that, number 1, when it comes to Apple as well, Apple hasn't made a dime. Okay. Now that they have subscriptions. They've made a maybe a nickel with podcast subscriptions. I haven't seen any real info on that.

Dave Jackson [00:52:50]:
But for the many, many, like, decades, Apple did not make a dime off of podcasting, and yet they had a team, and they're developing and all that other stuff. So I just like the fact that this shows that Apple has not You know, Facebook came in, and then they got out. TikTok came in, and then they got out. You know? Microsoft came in, and then they got out. Apple's still going, no. No. We still believe in podcasting, and this is kind of the a leftover from the Steve Jobs' elk where there are some things they do just because They enjoy creativity, and there's nothing more creative than a podcast. You can do whatever you want.

Dave Jackson [00:53:25]:
So, I forget who I was listening to that was talking about this. It might have been Adam and Dave at Podcasting 2 point o that there's just a part of their company that's always gonna be We wanna enable this because we like creative people. So I that was the other thing. I was like, alright. As much as you know, I don't use Apple Podcasts anymore, but it dawned on me that the Apps that I like, like Overcast and Cast O Matic, are kind of using the same Theory of a podcast app. I love podcast apps that have smart playlists. So when, You know, Home gadget Geek comes down. It automatically goes in the friends playlist.

Dave Jackson [00:54:04]:
You know, when this comes down, it goes into the health playlist Where most apps are, here's your wheelbarrow full of episodes, and then you go, okay. Yep. Yep. Nope. Nope. Yep. Nope. Yep.

Dave Jackson [00:54:13]:
Nope. And that's fine. That's just not my favorite. I'd rather have it automatically go that way. Since Libsyn has announced itself to be an advertising company and not a podcasting company, I did not hear that. We are an advertising com we own an advertising company. I don't know. So that makes us an advertising company, but we we pay attention to the advertising space because we own advertised guests.

Dave Jackson [00:54:37]:
So, and that's definitely a chunk of our change. When I see our quarterly reports and see how much is advertised cast, I'm like, oh, I thought that was a little company. Apparently, it's not. So we're a hosting we're also a, web hosting company. We own pair.com. So, yeah. And then at the heart of podcasting 2.0 SP continues, Is the monetization enabling peace outside of advertising? So bias goes both ways. That is that's the part I always wonder.

Dave Jackson [00:55:05]:
Is that why Lipson has been slow? And and I need I will say this again. Lipson has not said they are going to embrace podcasting 2 point as in They have not said we're putting in this, this, and this, but they have said in 2024, they are going to be looking at it. Where in 2023, they said we're gonna be looking at it in 2024. They have reemphasized not that they're gonna be implementing it, but they're gonna be looking at it. And my guess is the first thing we're gonna be implementing It's transcripts because Apple did. So I know when Apple implemented new categories, we were there the minute they came out. When Apple implemented this and that. We we always have followed what Apple's done, and I think that is partly due to Rob Walsh being a huge Apple fan.

Dave Jackson [00:55:50]:
So I just I wanna say that because people keep saying, lips and the says are going to, like, implement 2 point o, and I'm like, I'm not saying they are, and I'm not that I'm just I'm reiterating what they've said publicly, which is we will be looking at it. So please don't misquote me and say, Lipson's gonna do 2 point o. I'm like, no. It's not what I said. I said from what I've heard publicly, they've said this. They are going to be looking at it. So, yeah, I but I'm with you at SP. I'm always like, hey.

Dave Jackson [00:56:15]:
We own an advertising company. Is that what's making it slow? Because if I can make money directly from my audience but on the other hand, Libsyn's always been about supporting podcasters. And so, you know, we've had, what you call it? We have Libsyn Apps. So if you want your own app, and that's a way for you to to make money with your podcast, and we, you know, we haven't killed those yet. So we shall see. You know who go ahead.

Jim Collison [00:56:45]:
Do do you need to say the thoughts and statements of the host do not absolutely represent those officially of Lipson?

Dave Jackson [00:56:52]:
Yeah. This is Dave Jackson from the School of Podcasting. I do not write Rob Walsh represents Lipson more much, much more than I do. The only time I represent Lipson is on their YouTube channel, And that's a whole different boy, when I put on my Lipson shirt, I'm going on the Lipson YouTube channel, there's a little more sweat. I need a little more, you know, underarm deodorant going that day because that's that's makes me nervous because I I can't be totally wacky booger joke Dave kind of thing.

Jim Collison [00:57:19]:
No. You you're in a tight you're in a tight But you you gotta be careful. Like, just like we said in the beginning of the show, you gotta be careful with some of the things that you say. So appreciate that carefulness. Yeah. What I do with podcasting 2.0, this is just my thoughts on it. I think one of the areas we have missed on it Is it's gone, and it and it makes sense. It's we talk more about the value for value, the Satoshis, And, the the the the sponsors, the the the way you can sponsor this.

Jim Collison [00:57:49]:
Then we do about some of the really, Really, I think the really awesome back end stuff that was missing from day 1. Transcripts certainly being one of those. But but there, you know, there's a text field in there where for IMDB to get credit, like IMDB, right, had recently announced that they're gonna recognize podcasters on their site as Legitimate. You know, you can have a you can have a profile there, right? Adding credits, Adding license information to it, being able to include a trailer, getting seasons done correctly, the medium at which this is done, the frequency, it's kicked out there. The the ability you know, there's so there's so many other back end things to this from A podcaster perspective we've been asking for for a while. Some of those have been implemented individually by, other sites, Right? Doing these kinds of things, and I'm I'm I'm blanking right now. And, of course, that now that I wanna say it, but what's that podcasting site that that's got all the You can build custom lists. You can add credits to it.

Jim Collison [00:58:54]:
You can link.

Dave Jackson [00:58:55]:
Well, there's, good pods where you make

Jim Collison [00:58:58]:
Pod chaser? I'm not thinking of Pod chaser.

Dave Jackson [00:59:00]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:59:01]:
Yeah. Podchaser, which basically is this in a lot of ways. Right? Podchaser is kinda out in front of all these. They do provide a ton of this functionality that's there. So, you know, it it getting out ahead of this podcasting 2.0 with Satoshis, which nobody understands Bitcoin has been and it's great, Todd, it's great, but there's so many other great things about podcasting 2 point o that hopefully Apple can bring to the Can kinda bring to the surface here to say, hey, podcasters, there's a lot of value to you and the the the viewability or the discoverability of some of things that you're doing inside this. I just love to see that value emphasized a little bit more because I think it's I think it's a little it's a little more valuable than it's been well, it hasn't been talked about, to be honest. None of those things. I bet most podcasters have no idea what's in podcasting 2.0.

Dave Jackson [00:59:56]:
No. Well, the beautiful

Jim Collison [00:59:57]:
They don't.

Dave Jackson [00:59:58]:
The beautiful thing of that is 2, coming to the rescue. And if you want the details, There's only 1 man to call. You know who that is. Right? The 1 and only, Daniel j Lewis. Oh.

Jim Collison [01:00:08]:
James I was gonna say Ghostbuster. Ghostbuster. Beat me to it.

Dave Jackson [01:00:11]:
Detail Buster. Yes. James Cridlin and I, I being a hall of fame podcaster Daniel j Lewis, are working on a website to help, better communicate the benefits, how to use it, and why we need it. Yeah. So that's, you know that's gonna be good. Like, when I see that

Jim Collison [01:00:28]:
got some reach. Right? James has some reach Yeah. To be able to to be able to get that done. It it real said, it really helps that Apple said, yeah. You know what? We'll start working on that. That really helps.

Dave Jackson [01:00:40]:
Yeah. It's, again, it's a nice little tip of the hat, and when the big dog, you know, gives you a little wink, You feel good? Oh, speaking of that, can we change topics? Here's the worst thing you can do, and these are from friends of mine, But before I was a podcaster, I was a listener, and there was a show. I'm not gonna throw them under the bus, and they said, hey. We're trying this new thing. If you and and for the record, they often find out who they use, but you could text them a a comment. Now in 2 point o, we have BoostiGram. You can do that right now and send me money with your your text. That's awesome.

Dave Jackson [01:01:15]:
But they also still had They're old speak pipe, and they even said, you know, we have speak pipe, but we want people to use a text. So, like, whatever you wanna use. Never ask and then I I I've had this situation come up, and now I know how it feels. So they asked a question about, like, how do you How do you rate your success in podcasting? I answer the question via SpeakPipe, and I'm listening and I'm listening to get all giddy to hear somebody say Dave Jackson in in a podcast, and they didn't use it. And I was like, like, but I I I took all 14 seconds to send in that message, and I thought it was a good answer. And I thought people would enjoy it, and they didn't use my and I I guess There's no rule that says if somebody sends in an answer, you have to use, but it mine was probably the only actual audio one. Everybody else came on text, but I was really amazed at how I was like, Wait. What but but but you didn't use my name, and so I had a question of the month a while ago where Matt Rafferty From the author in siju.com, see, I'm still promoting him, sent in a message, and I think it was Whatever it whatever it is now was pot inbox back then.

Dave Jackson [01:02:29]:
Somehow, something happened where his message got garbled, and I could not use it, And I didn't realize it. A lot of times, questions of the month are done the day when I do it, so I'm not listening to them ahead of time so I can kinda react Freshly, and so I emailed Matt. I'm like, dude, I'm so sorry. I just found this. There's no time for you to send in a new one. If you want to, I'll put it in the next episode, and he's like, no. No. We're all good, and I still I'm like, I'm still gonna promote your show because I appreciate the fact that you took the time to to ever so my my point is And I'm not sure how this like, what if somebody sends in a really horrible answer, then you still wanna deliver value, maybe edit it out to make it as short as possible? I have had that happen, But I just was was, not amazed, but I was just like the fact that I was sitting there in my driveway.

Dave Jackson [01:03:16]:
Like, I I had a driveway moment because they're doing all the here's all the stuff, and I'm like, somebody's gonna say Dave Jackson. And yeah. So because I don't know about you. Do you get giddy when somebody says your name in a show, Jim Collison?

Jim Collison [01:03:26]:
For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I do. A couple times, Randy Cantrell in, Leaning Toward Wisdom has has has invoked my name. And you kinda go, It catches me off guard because he doesn't tell me in advance. And, and I'm like, oh, well, that's that's yeah.

Jim Collison [01:03:40]:
No. It sure does. When somebody anybody mentions you in their show, you kinda You kinda go what about what if they say it negatively, though, Dave?

Dave Jackson [01:03:49]:
Oh, well, That's a good question. I don't know. I I Yeah. If they quoted me and they have a difference of opinion, then I'm gonna be okay with that. But if they just say Dave Jacks is a jerk, I would probably reach out and go, why why am I a jerk again Kind of thing. What if

Jim Collison [01:04:11]:
they what if they call you out for saying something you said as being wrong? Yeah. How how do you feel about that when what's that emotion? That's one of those you gotta like you just did, you gotta take a deep breath.

Dave Jackson [01:04:24]:
Yeah. That's when you're like, wait, what? And that's when you're like Am

Jim Collison [01:04:26]:
I gonna respond?

Dave Jackson [01:04:26]:
Well, my My first thing, especially something like that, is I'm gonna go back and look at what facts I'm using, and then if they haven't quoted their facts, like what they're basing that opinion on, I'm gonna go, hey. This is Dave. I'm not angry. I'm not upset. Like, why are you saying that? What what if you know, If somebody says, you know, Jim Collison is a weenie, I'm gonna be like, based on what? Like, is there something I'm not saying, like, I'm not saying he isn't, but I'm not saying that he is. I'm like, well I mean, it's kinda true. It's kinda true. But it's like, yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:05:00]:
So it's one of those things where I'm that's gonna be my fruit because The logic part of my brain is always like, alright. What are you basing your facts on? And I'll tell you what I'm basing my facts on, and I bet we're both missing a piece of the puzzle. But that's just

Jim Collison [01:05:13]:
Yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:05:13]:
I am always I just got here's a fun one. Always do your research On what show you're going on because I don't. I will go on anybody's show, but it was something where I thought it was like we interview Christian entrepreneurs, And I was like, I fit that. Alright. Here you go. Yeah. Be happy to go on your show. It was and for the record, I'm not mad.

Dave Jackson [01:05:35]:
It's it's that's my fault, and it was an interesting conversation, But this was a show called The Bible Said What, and it's hosted by an atheist who's a big fan of my show, and we just had a lovely, like, But how how can and I don't wanna have this conversation here either, but, like, how does God let bad things happen to good people? And it was me going, And I just shared a couple, you know well, here's some miracles I think I've seen, but it was interesting. So if you're gonna be doing Guess, And even if I knew that going in, I'd probably still do it. It was fun to have an actual dialogue, and at the end, we're kinda like, yeah. We're going to agree to disagree on that and Listen, the whole 9 yards, but that was that was a fun one where I was like, oh, this is oh, wow. This is, this is a I walked into a gotcha, but I'm not saying it was a gotcha. Like, this person's like, I'm gonna pin this guy to the wall, but it was like, oh, I I didn't read the description long enough. So be sure. Two things.

Dave Jackson [01:06:30]:
I I'm doing this now a little more. I use PodMatch. I also use Podcast Guess, And that is what I may missing in the chat room. The

Jim Collison [01:06:40]:
Not much. Just keep going. Just keep going.

Dave Jackson [01:06:42]:
I've learned

Jim Collison [01:06:43]:
should probably stay in the chat room.

Dave Jackson [01:06:44]:
I've I've learned now to really if it's not a a heck yeah, I'm not saying yes. Like, vice if somebody's kinda like, yeah, I think this guy's a fit, no. Because I and then I'm really doing more research, which is why you'll probably see where I have a bunch of interviews in the can. I'm not abandoning interviews. I just know to really get a good one, it takes more time than I thought it did because I started timing everything. So the time I spend listening to your show and the time I'm listening to old interviews and stuff like that, I'm like, this a lot. You know, It might be less time. In fact, Craig from livewellandflourish.com, we're who's a member of the school of podcasting said, you know, it might be quicker to just go do the research And then report on it rather than have somebody find somebody who's a perfect fit for your show and have them give it to you.

Dave Jackson [01:07:38]:
And I was like, that's not a bad point. So I might be doing less interviews just because I'm I'm for me, really good ones are ones where I have found somebody. Like, we just because we ran to the same circles, and I'm like, oh, you'd be a good guest versus and, again, nothing against PodMatch, nothing against podcast guest .com. They're both great, but you you end up still it's it's a lead, really, is how I'm looking at this. Here's a lead. This is somebody who looks like a good fit, but I better go do some research, or I have 1 person that asked me to be a guest on her show. And, again, usually, you don't have to twist my arm. And I just said, I'm not sure I'm a good fit for your show.

Dave Jackson [01:08:16]:
Can we do a preinterview? Because I don't wanna waste your time, and I don't wanna waste mine either. She was like, sure. Fine. It was something about finance, and I'm like, you should be talking to Ralph, not me. You know? Like, he's the accountant. Mhmm. So, Yeah. It takes a a lot of stuff to, to get that right.

Jim Collison [01:08:33]:
Do you do you feel like, January was a month where every Single lead generating thing of whatever kicked off, and they were like, we need to start the year right. Yeah. We're gonna generate some leads. I mean, my email has just been loaded with people trying to say, I'm a great fit for your podcast. Can I can I write for your site, or I'm a can I be a guest on your on your podcast, or can I I mean, it to me, it feels like January really ramped up? Everybody it was like a, like, new year resolution to we're gonna get more things going. I mean, December was so quiet.

Dave Jackson [01:09:11]:
Doing more in 24, baby. Me woo hoo. Yeah.

Jim Collison [01:09:14]:
Yeah. It's been my email has been out of control. And I just, you know, you Save a few of those, and I wanna do if there's a few I wanna do. And I go back and forth on the having people pay to, you know, for sponsored posts on my site. Sometimes I hate it and sometimes I really love it and then in a, you know, but it just feels like January. Everybody was Fulfilling those New Year's resolutions by working harder and just blasting the world with the most worthless email, stuff we've ever had. So if that's been you, I don't know, chat room if you've noticed. If you're listening to YouTube, you can leave it down in the comments below.

Jim Collison [01:09:52]:
But, have you seen have you seen an uptick in that in January of 2024?

Dave Jackson [01:09:56]:
I I kept having people wanting to know if I want to buy a list, and I was like, no. Like, granted, 5% of that'd be good, but, actually, the chatroom's been on fire. We're gonna, bring up some of their comments in a second, but it's time, of course, At this time, to talk about our awesome supporters. And, the first one we're gonna talk about, of course, is our our good friends over at Radio Free Pro Wrestling. They will be on the The wheel of names coming up here in a second, and, again, you can find them at radiodofreepw.com. So if you're into wrestling, it sounds like a lot of fun, And, you can be an awesome supporter, by going to ask the podcast coach this show is brought to you by The School of Podcasting .com. If you need help with your show, whether it's launching it, growing it, monetizing it, if that's something you wanna do, have fun over at the school of podcasting.com. In fact, Ralph, who's a member of the School of Podcasting, said, you know, he's just With the group, we do a thing every Friday called lunch with Dave, and he goes, you know, it's a a fun adventure and just podcasting in general.

Dave Jackson [01:11:00]:
He goes, but when you have a group of people with you, It makes it a lot more fun. So go over to ask the podcast coach.com/, wait. I just said that. It's school of podcasting.com/coach. We'll, get you a discount on that, and we run on PodPage. I was actually on Ecamm Live's YouTube channel with Brendan from PodPage Talking about why you need a, a podcast, to have a you need to have a website for your podcast. I got that backwards, but you can try PodPage by using my Affiliate link, try podpage.com. Also, speaking on that subject, if you go to, your podcastwebsite.com, I'm pretty sure I have that set up.

Dave Jackson [01:11:37]:
That goes to an email list, and I'm fighting it with everything I have, but I think I'm gonna start a called your podcast website. If you wanna be notified if that goes live, it's probably when. It's when. When that goes live, think that's the first one I'm gonna do in seasons. I haven't played with seasons before, and I think I might use that to play with seasons. But anyway, tripod page.com. Speaking of Ecamm, If you wanna check out Ecamm Live, you're looking at it right now. Go to support this show .com/ecamm, and ecamm is e c a m m because, oh, it's good.

Dave Jackson [01:12:09]:
Wow. That's weird. The average guy dot tv. If you need more Jim Collison and, like, who doesn't need more Jim Collison? He's right there. Go over to, home gadget or the average guy.tv or home gadget geeks.com. Take your pick. And is it time? It is. It's time for the Wheel O' Names and assume My

Jim Collison [01:12:30]:
favorite part.

Dave Jackson [01:12:30]:
Is it real?

Jim Collison [01:12:32]:
Oh, I love this. I get I get excited every time about this wheel.

Dave Jackson [01:12:36]:
And so we've got all these people on here, people Like, why won't that go okay. Ecamm is in my way, if I bring this over here. So people like, Ed Sullivan from Sonic Cupcake, Greg from livewellandflourish.com, Ask Ralph from Ask Ralph, podcast.com, Glenn the Geek, everybody's on there, Ross Brand, who I got to see at Podfest. And so who is going to be the awesome supporter for today? Well, we'll find out when I click this button. Wait. 1st, we're gonna shuffle it Just so there's no in case people think it's rigged, we'll spin the wheel.

Jim Collison [01:13:08]:
No no shenanigans.

Dave Jackson [01:13:10]:
No shenanigans. And this week's feature oh, could it be? It is. It's Craig from live well and flourish.com. Jim, do you do you want to live well? Do you want to flourish? Well, then you should go to live well and flourish .com. These are short episodes with just something that makes you go, And Craig has this awesome delivery. It's like this wise sage that's come down from the mountain to To tell you to not be a bonehead, it's awesome. Live well and Flourish .com. So thank you for all those guys for being an awesome supporter.

Dave Jackson [01:13:43]:
You can be an awesome supporter by going to ask the podcast coach.com/support, or if you want to, ask the podcast coach .com/awesome. Thank you to all of our awesome supporters. We do deeply appreciate that, but the chat room's been on fire Here, it's always kinda fun when when they have their own show. And so, going back to the whole Libsyn's and advertising thing, SP said John w Gibbons, in case you were confused by the other John Gibbons from Lipson, as reported in Pod News in October 23 said that the future of Lipson is being an advertising company, not a podcast hosting company. There's probably more money in it. I would I would I can see where he might say that, but yeah. And I'm with you on that for the record. I'm kinda like, well, we're we're still a hosting company.

Dave Jackson [01:14:32]:
Right? That's the part I work in. Lane was confused when I was talking about Smart lists and apps. Yes. This is where things like Overcast, Apple Podcasts, if you wanna use a new podcast app, Castapod, When I basically fire that thing up, it checks all my feeds and goes, oh, this is The Audacity to Podcast, and it puts in my podcast list. This is what was that like that goes in the friends list. This is the, you know, one of my health shows that I listen to in Money or, the, Yep. The Adam Curry Show. It's about the government.

Dave Jackson [01:15:07]:
I can't believe I'm drawing a blank on the No Agenda Show. Yeah. No Agenda and congressional dish going to the political playlist. So it's automatic. So when I'm ready to listen to something political, I pull it up and and there they are. So that's why I like that style, And, hey, another guy got to see you at Podfest, Jeff C. If, one thing, going back to the Chris Nesi, it's nothing but throwbacks now. Chris Nesse asked, what's 1 thing you're gonna do in 2024? Jeff and I have a link in the show notes has a, Descript one zero one course, and I will have a link to I will have an affiliate link for that, so that is something I want to I've been saying for a long time.

Dave Jackson [01:15:43]:
I need to learn more about Descript, and I think it's 1 thing I'm gonna do in general More in the future where I used to be like, well, I'll just hack it out on YouTube and, you know, beat up the software. I'm like, or I could just hire a guide to lead me through the software. So, Dan from based on a true story podcast .com, featured mug pouring dude. Thank you for your support. When folks say podcasting 2.0, it sounds like you'll make money with Satoshis sounds to me when people say you'll make money on Anchor with ads. Technically true, but not going to pay the bills. Absolutely true. That is, without a doubt, true, but it's one of those things where 5 years from now? 10 years from now? Yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:16:26]:
So I I get it. And there are people I mean, I think I made $400 last year with Satoshis, but I had some people that were sending really big boosts. You know, all of a sudden you look at, like, wait. That dude just sent me $9 to say good job. Like, okay. I'll take that, but it's a very a very small percentage, and I think we talked earlier about getting people from TikTok or YouTube to your podcast, getting somebody, like I've said for years, you will pry my cold dead hands off of my Overcast app, And the only reason I use Castapod is it looks so much like overcast, I would sue them. Like, it's, like, wait, this is like, oops. It even smells like overcast, but it has the boosting feature, so that's why I switched.

Dave Jackson [01:17:12]:
There was 1 feature I really, really wanted, And Marco had oh, and look. It's his app. He can do what he want. He said, I'm not putting that 2 point o stuff into at least the streaming subscription

Jim Collison [01:17:21]:
part. No.

Dave Jackson [01:17:22]:
I think he'll probably thing. I think he'll add transcripts. I don't Yeah. I don't know why, which is weird because he gives that that initiative, the 2 point $500 a month He's been giving them. And I'm like, well, obviously, you support it, but I'm

Jim Collison [01:17:36]:
Maybe he's been waiting. Maybe he's been waiting for this moment for Apple to, you know, to jump on and and for it's gonna move it's going to move now. Like, now that this has happened with Apple, it's gonna start moving faster than it was before.

Dave Jackson [01:17:48]:
Ditto. Well, and much like like in the early days of podcasting, podcasting was limping along. Apple came along and said, we're gonna put that into iTunes, it was the only time I've ever seen hockey growth where it was, like, and then

Jim Collison [01:18:01]:
Yeah. And I

Dave Jackson [01:18:02]:
was like, oh, thank you, Apple. So, hopefully, those will be the same thing As more people are going, oh, it's not just the Satoshi thing. No. Look. You can do this, and you can do that. We're we're making podcasts better. So, speaking of having your name mentioned, this is an old school Rich Graham. I got an Adam Curry mention on The Daily Source Show back in the day.

Dave Jackson [01:18:21]:
I have it Screenshotted. Adam just said something like, I just send people to the school of podcasting if they wanna learn how to podcast. I'm like, I need to put that on my website. It's like, that's a quote. So that's talk about making you feel guilty. Get get guilty. Giddy is the word. Thanks to, Quagmire on, That show.

Dave Jackson [01:18:39]:
Let's see where no. His is Giggity when I think about it. Not giddy. Anyway, moving on.

Jim Collison [01:18:45]:
Is that Simpsons, or is

Dave Jackson [01:18:46]:
that is, Family Guy? Family Guy. Yeah. That's Quagmire.

Jim Collison [01:18:50]:
The Family Guy?

Dave Jackson [01:18:50]:
And Stewie. Stewie Simpson. Yes. Or Stewie, yeah. Jeff C says, I always research my guests now because What shows I'm on, I've been, burned in the pat yeah. That was just one I was like and once I realized it, I was like, okay. How are you gonna get yourself not even so much get yourself out of it. Like, Alright.

Dave Jackson [01:19:09]:
You know, I I'm a little tired. I probably should've done my and I was just the whole time, I'm like, okay. Next time, do a little research. And, again, This guy's a a a big fan of the school of podcasting, so I don't wanna burn a bridge, and it was just one of those, like, oh, and it was kind of to me, I even said this is fun. This is 2 people with way different opinions, and we're gonna have a dialogue. And I said, in the end, I know you're not gonna change my mind, and I know I'm not gonna change yours, And, it was one of those things that's like somebody might hear that episode and go, Interesting. So,

Jim Collison [01:19:41]:
You mean you were civil? You were civil?

Dave Jackson [01:19:42]:
We were civil.

Jim Collison [01:19:43]:
Is that what Oh,

Dave Jackson [01:19:43]:
that's another thing about Podfest. You ready for this? It was amazing about Podfest. Everybody got along. We didn't talk about we talked about podcasting because we all had that in common, and we all got along. Who would've thunk it?

Jim Collison [01:19:56]:
Maybe some were there subjects where people disagreed and they Oh. Talked it out kind of thing?

Dave Jackson [01:20:00]:
I don't even know about that. I just know that if we just talked about podcasting and not about politics and all the other things you're not supposed to talk about. Although politics came up a little bit because we're talking about all the ads money that's gonna come into the space because of, you know, the elections that are going not only just in the US but in other countries, we're like, yeah. So, and then, Todd the Gator, Another member of the School of Podcasting. Thank you, buddy, and an awesome supporter. We've all had that guest that doesn't wanna be there and give single word answers. He goes, talk about being awkward. Jim, have you ever had that? I don't think I've ever had a guest.

Dave Jackson [01:20:34]:
No.

Jim Collison [01:20:35]:
Yeah? Because I pre I pre check everybody.

Dave Jackson [01:20:37]:
Yeah. I

Jim Collison [01:20:38]:
So, you know, they ask. I have them on before we even say they're gonna be on the show, I do an interview. And then, not not on the home gadget geek side because I interview podcasters there. So that's easy. I know they're gonna talk. Right? But on the Gallup side yeah. No. You you check them out in advance.

Jim Collison [01:20:54]:
That's how you That's how you know if you're doing them blind, you know, put your hands up because you're going you're going down the the roller coaster fast. Like, if I I don't recommend doing podcasts blind. I mean, I remember the Blab days and you could people could you just bring people in. You had no idea Who they were. I mean, we do a little bit of that here. Right. We're pretty fortunate that the folks that that wanna join us have all been super great. Yeah.

Jim Collison [01:21:22]:
I guess we did have the 1 Bubba Buie, and we had the 1 guy who wanted to smoke weed. But but, you know, for the

Dave Jackson [01:21:29]:
But that's entertaining. You know? Yep. It worked for Joe Rogan and and Elon Musk.

Jim Collison [01:21:35]:
My my favorite thing was the look on his face when he when he held the when he held the, You know, the joint in front of the camera, and we didn't respond. And and I think he was looking for a response, and we were like, well, thanks for coming on. See See see you. Yeah. But yeah. No. I you gotta I precheck everybody.

Dave Jackson [01:21:54]:
Well, you're ready for this, Jim? I don't know if we're in 3 d or what.

Jim Collison [01:21:57]:
Of course, I'm ready.

Dave Jackson [01:21:58]:
Jeff say saying, speaking of Apple, I'm watching this show with Dave and Jim on a screen. The size of a drive in movie theater, Apple Vision Pro came in yesterday. He says it's trippy, so I don't know if we're supposed to look. Here's here's my phone. Remember bad three d movies where everything's moving things?

Jim Collison [01:22:16]:
Like this?

Dave Jackson [01:22:17]:
That's it. I

Jim Collison [01:22:19]:
I think that's what that is.

Dave Jackson [01:22:21]:
And he will be happy.

Jim Collison [01:22:22]:
It is cool. Watching this in VR would be super cool. Right? Because you can blow that thing up to make it look absolutely gigantic. Just know it's only that big Yeah. On this on this it's crazy because those are so those screens are so close.

Dave Jackson [01:22:35]:
And if you go to and I I I'm praying I have is I think it's just Jeff See, but it's it's because I don't think it's s I e h. So go to Jeff, And that's just good old jeffsieh.com, and, that'll get you all things Jeff because he's gonna have a review of that coming out In the future of the the Apple, Google thingy you put on your head, glasses thing, whatever it's called, VisionPRO or Something

Jim Collison [01:23:01]:
I have the Oculus 2 that I bought last year, and it's pretty cool. I bought it thinking I might be able to use it for podcasting in some way, but Imagine if I did this show and I brought the us into it, and then you all you would see is me With

Dave Jackson [01:23:15]:
a pair of goggles? White

Jim Collison [01:23:17]:
goggles on my face. No. No. Yeah. Might be entertaining for a show though. Maybe I'll try it. Maybe I'll maybe I should try. Then when you're done, my my son just bought some new VR goggles that not they're not the the vision pro, but they're they're custom made, And they're only about this big, but they go right against his eyes.

Jim Collison [01:23:35]:
And he'll be on VR for hours at a time. He came over on Sunday, and his eyes were just red.

Dave Jackson [01:23:40]:
It

Jim Collison [01:23:40]:
looked like somebody almost punched him in the face.

Dave Jackson [01:23:42]:
That's

Jim Collison [01:23:42]:
He he had those glasses on.

Dave Jackson [01:23:44]:
Not saying your son is doing this, but you know one of the biggest innovators in that space is? That's right.

Jim Collison [01:23:52]:
Gotta be porn.

Dave Jackson [01:23:52]:
Yeah. Porn. Yeah. It's like all good technology comes from porn.

Jim Collison [01:23:56]:
Yeah. Listen. They lead on everything. That's the that the they're the ones who pave the way to make all this other stuff happen for us. So, you know, it's just it's just a reality.

Dave Jackson [01:24:05]:
Yeah. Always fun. So, then ask Ralph says, make sure have you ever had this, Jim, where you get on somebody's show And they have horrible audio, like, the host has bad audio. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. It was, that's one of those where you kinda

Jim Collison [01:24:21]:
go I called them. I told them they couldn't release it. I I went to review it. They were like, hey, can you send it to me and so I can review it? And I they were their audio was terrible. I'm like, you can't release this. Like, really? Like, yeah, I know. You can't you you need to we'll do it again or with better audio on your end or what you can't release it. So that I I have only done that once, but, yes, that is happening.

Dave Jackson [01:24:44]:
I just don't you know, I'll just say, like, well, you know, is there a way you can reedit that and Make it sound so you're not in a fishbowl kinda thing. I had one because I don't I kinda edit this show, But I kinda don't. It depends on how much time I have on Saturday, but I am an and machine. Like, that's my my My biggest one, and especially when I'm doing the awesome supporters because I've got, like, 12 things going on in the background, and I'm like, and, Jim Collison is the the and, this you know? So if you don't edit those out so somebody had me on their show and didn't edit me at all, And I was like, wow. I sound like the idiot that I am, which on one hand goes back to being authentic, but I'm like, yeah. I don't wanna like, if I can make myself sound smarter, And I was tempted to kinda go, hey. I'm not gonna change anything. I just wanna make me sound smarter.

Dave Jackson [01:25:40]:
Like, can I edit your show? And I didn't do that, but I also then didn't promote it as much as I normally do. So it's, I'm not sure where Gary is going.

Jim Collison [01:25:50]:
Well, Dave, that's hold on. Before you bring that up Yeah. That's the question. Like, when you are on somebody else's show and the interview doesn't go quite like You thought, do you punish or penalize that podcaster by not advertising at all or minimal advertising or right? You know, you kind of like, well, I know you wanted me to advertise this, but I'm not gonna do it because I didn't the interview. Do you do that? Do you find yourself doing that if you're a guest on a show and you didn't you didn't you're, like, that wasn't my best, or that wasn't their best?

Dave Jackson [01:26:24]:
Yeah. I have I I just know I I remember I pulled a clip, because usually I will do that. Pulled a clip from the interview into my show and say, hey. I was on this show. I call it the podcast rewind, and I'll it's just a quick clip just to say here, and I I think I did that, And I think I mentioned. I'm like, they didn't edit me. And I I I was like, am I complaining? Like, I'm kinda complaining. Like, they gave me a stage, and I'm sitting here going, yeah, but you made me sound like an idiot.

Dave Jackson [01:26:51]:
Well, you didn't make I made myself sound like an idiot. You you didn't stop me from sounding like an idiot, so that was one. Yeah. I probably do in a way kind of and and, like, why wouldn't you? Or and, again, I'm happy to answer this question. Just know my audience has heard this answer. So, Dave, what was podcasting like back in 2005? Okay. The record is it sucked. Nobody knew what a podcast was.

Dave Jackson [01:27:17]:
They asked, do you need an iPad? But my audience has heard me answer that question at least 15 times, And so I get it that not many people can answer that question. I'm just like, does that really bring value to your audience? It's like there's yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's just one of those where I'm like, my audience is gonna go, oh, Dave's talking about 2005 again, and not a bad answer. I'm just here to tell you that, You know, 15 people have asked that before you. Maybe you should come up with something else or you know? Talk about my book. Something Anything.

Dave Jackson [01:27:50]:
But 2005, I've I've discussed that a lot, and, again, I'll be happy to talk about it again, but there's a part of me that's like, Oh, is that where we're gonna go? Here's Randy's talking about when the guest has better audio than the host, been there early on as a host, It's embarrassing when you listen back now. Yeah. That's that's not good. And again, Samsung q two u, $69. Perfect. Get a little $5 windscreen. You're good to go. And as for, you know, having that bad Person on your show with bad audio, SP says, I'll I'll try to do better next time.

Dave Jackson [01:28:26]:
Jim, sorry sorry about that. And Oh, no.

Jim Collison [01:28:30]:
It wasn't SP. I mean, he's you know, he's

Dave Jackson [01:28:32]:
He's making fun. Yeah. I know. And I'm not sure what I know what Gary's talking about. I'm like, I I think I'm done with that conversation. Yeah. And so Jeff, again, is gonna be doing Jeff, z. Am I saying that right, Jeff Z? I think it is.

Dave Jackson [01:28:46]:
I I remember thinking about this somewhere, like, because it's s I e h. He's the dude with the beard. That's all you have to say, and then you'll know him. So

Jim Collison [01:28:54]:
Yeah. Because nobody has beards.

Dave Jackson [01:28:56]:
Nobody no. Jim no. No. Jeff takes be like, his brand is his beard. He's like ZZ Top beard. You're expecting to come like, yeah. Yeah. I'm Jeff c, man.

Dave Jackson [01:29:06]:
What's going on? You're here. Alright. How how? Yeah. Exactly. Gonna do

Dave Jackson [01:29:10]:
a little podcasting now. Alright. Everybody's good.

Jim Collison [01:29:12]:
Buddy's talking

Dave Jackson [01:29:13]:
about a show. This podcast. Yeah. One of the things I know we've mentioned Ralph a lot today. And what's funny is he's kind of a new podcaster And, taking it up to the next level, and he submitted his show to Apple so you could get the fun Apple stats. And that used to take, like, 24 hours, And it's, like, 2 hours now by the time oh, I take I remember my notes. Jeff had done the thing, Jeff. Let's go back a second.

Dave Jackson [01:29:38]:
Ralph had accidentally let Libsyn's or anybody else, submit your show for you, which means they don't control your show, but they control your access to those stats. So this could be Spotify. I keep begging Libsyn to change the verbiage because you can now let Libsyn do that for you, or if it's your old editor and they died and, yeah, that happens, and you're like, hey. I need to get control of my Apple account, and so it used to be you would send a thing to Apple from the email from your Apple ID and say, hey. My show is here. It's not under my ID. I need it under my ID. They email back and go, here, put this string of eight numbers in your copyright field, Then you email them back and say, I did that, and they then do that.

Dave Jackson [01:30:26]:
This used to take about a week where you would go like, you'd send them an email. You'd get an answer, like, a day and a half. You'd send them a second email. It'd be another day and a half. So it would take a while, and Ralph went through that scenario and was done in, like, 2 hours. So apparently, they added more people to the, the Apple App Store.

Jim Collison [01:30:43]:
I think it's automated now. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:30:44]:
So I think it'd

Jim Collison [01:30:45]:
be automated.

Dave Jackson [01:30:46]:
And So with that, holy cow, we're over already. Jim, what's coming up on, the average guy dot TV? I'm like, I'm like, wow. It's 12 o'clock.

Jim Collison [01:30:55]:
Yeah. A little bit over. We, took the night off. My 4th grandchild Oh, yes. Born on

Dave Jackson [01:31:00]:
the Holy cow. Forgot to mention that.

Jim Collison [01:31:03]:
Tonight off. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. It, so I I called the guest or I I sent an email and said, hey. I had a I had a granddaughter. I need to go to the hospital And see, see the new baby.

Jim Collison [01:31:13]:
We need to just move things, and then I'd let the community know. And guess what they said? Congratulations.

Dave Jackson [01:31:20]:
Yeah. They didn't be like, How dare you? Yes.

Jim Collison [01:31:22]:
No. They do. Yeah. Anyways, we have shows. You can check them all at home home gadget geeks.com.

Dave Jackson [01:31:28]:
Very cool. Yeah. And it's, I'm assuming baby and mom are fine. And

Jim Collison [01:31:34]:
Daughter, great. 9 pound 8 pounds, 9 ounces. Royce Evelyn, this is right. And, every everything is great.

Dave Jackson [01:31:43]:
Beautiful. So on the school of podcasting, It is the question of the month, answer, and the question was, what are you, gonna start doing in 2024 that you didn't do in 2023, and what are you gonna stop doing in 2024 that you were doing in 2023? And, so that's like I say, The first couple answers as I listened to them last night, I'm like, wow. Social media is is not working the way people thought it was gonna work, and maybe they're doing it wrong. Who knows? But that's coming up On The School of Podcasting, it's nice to be back in the chair after being gone this week, so thank you to everyone in the chat room. Thanks to Mark over at podcastbranding.co. Thanks to, Dan Lefebvre over at, Based on a True Story podcast, and thanks to our brand new patron. That's right. Radio Free Pro Wrestling.

Dave Jackson [01:32:32]:
Find him at radiofreepw.com. We will be here next week with another fun filled episode of Ask the Podcast coach at 10:30 EST, whatever, 9 Central something something.

Jim Collison [01:32:46]:
9:9:30 Central.

Dave Jackson [01:32:47]:
There you go. Take care, everybody. We'll you next week.