Are You Bored With Your Podcast Format?

David Jackson  
Ask the podcast coach for December 5 2020. Let's get ready to podcast. There is it's that music. That means it's time for ask the podcast coach. It's Saturday. And it's 1030. I'm Dave Jackson from the School of podcasting.com. And joining me right over there, over there is the one and only Jim Collison from the average guy.tv. Mr. Home gadget geeks himself.

Jim Collison  
Greetings Dave. Sorry I cut you off. You agreed. I didn't know what you were gonna stop at when you were gonna start. I was watching you. Greetings. Happy Saturday morning to you. We just came off our big 10th Anniversary Show on home gadget geeks. So 10 years of podcasting over there at the average guy.tv super fun show, by the way, if you ever get a chance to make it 10 years and podcasting eight or nine Collins and yeah, for two guests that started with me originally that came back so so it was it's been a big week for us here at the average guy TV. So it's always good to be here on Saturday mornings.

David Jackson  
Nice. And are you feeling thirsty at all?

Jim Collison  
Every Saturday morning this coffee just energized

David Jackson  
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Jim Collison  
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David Jackson  
Jim, have you like from the you just said you've been doing this 10 years? Is the show primarily the same though?

Jim Collison  
Are you still in your lane? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's still very much the same. You know, we started the show with the intention of helping people with technology, right? We were, we were the neighborhood tech guys. And we wanted to help people. Same kind of thing. We're in its interview style. So yeah, I think we stayed in the lane for 10 years. We we swerve from time to time I've had on, you know, I've had guests on that are promoting their books that aren't necessarily technology related, or whatever. I've done some of that. And I get a little backlash from the audience when I do those kinds of things. But for the most part, yeah, we in but we've definitely found some things to where like, we do some things now that we learned during the show that we knew the audience responded to well, right. We did. As an example, like my daughter came on. Hmm. And we talked kind of about technology. But my audience is really interested in what my daughter has to say. And so we've kept doing that. Right. So yeah, so for the most part, but then little swerves from time to time.

David Jackson  
Well, I'm going to play a clip. I'm a big fan of this show. Do you listen to Mike Rowe by any chance? Do I do the way I heard it? And I'm hoping I can do this and pause it. If not, we will. We'll find out here as we go. Give it a

Jim Collison  
and I just realized I was having a hell of a time writing anything. Because every time I sat down here, a little keypad The only thing that came out the other end was not a story for the curious mind with short attention span. It was it was something else, you know, it's really been fun channeling Paul Harvey, and I don't want to stop doing that, you know, forever. But I gotta tell you, it's also been really instructive listening to guys like Joe Rogan. And comedians like Bill Burr, and some other podcasts that I've stumbled across. And I admit it I envy. I envy the form, you know, where you can sit down with a friend or a, or an expert or a celebrity or just somebody who's interesting and now listen to how busy he is. Talk to them, you know, like a human being. I just think that's something that I want to experiment with if I can. But this show is has been sucking up a lot of our time. And there's a terrible rumor that seems increasingly likely to be true that discovery wants more dirty jobs. And another rumor that that Facebook wants more returning the favors. And another rumor that TBN once more of somebody's got to do it or something like it. There's even a rumor that this podcast the way I heard it might very well be turned into a TV show. So this is all good news.

David Jackson  
Yes, it's a good problem.

Jim Collison  
But it just means, you know, in this weird zero sum game, I've only got so much time to do whatever it is I can. And man

Bangs Naughty Bits 
writing takes time.

David Jackson  
Yes, it does. Particularly for you. But I was really bummed to hear that he's thinking of making a show longer. Because even says at the beginning, it's short stories, or the show.

Jim Collison  
I heard it, right. Yeah.

David Jackson  
Yeah. So it's the way I heard it by micro great show, by the way. And it's it's short stories for the curious mind with a short attention span. And that is my shower podcast. Like, I turn it on, I get in and when Mike is done, and that's with me starting in about two minutes in so I skip the commercials. When Mike is done, I don't care how warm the water is, and how great it is. That because I would stay in the shower for a week. Sometimes I would get out and I kind of was like, Oh man, I hope this guy doesn't change his format. And I listened to that. And I was like, number one he's doing the thing I say to never do. He's comparing a show to other podcasts.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Mm hmm.

David Jackson  
And he's like, I listen to Joe Rogan. I don't know about you, I've listened to Joe Rogan. And if it's not a guest that I don't know it, even when it is a guest, like I was dying to hear Adam curry on his show.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
One of the worst interviews.

David Jackson  
I mean, like he does a really good job of having dialogues. But there's a lot of times that I'm like, Man, this could be like, and again, who am I to say that guy's got for an audience, but a different audience.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Yeah. And a different group.

David Jackson  
So I was kind of like, I think that's part of the problem. The other part that I cut out is, he had a thing, he did an episode on a baseball player, it was like one of the first gay baseball players. And Billy Martin introduced him and use the F word. Oh, and Billy Martin Jr. said, my dad never said that. yada yada. And of course, his show is this is the way I heard it. And I think it really kind of set him back because he was like, wait a minute, I am at times just repeating other people's stories in a creative way. What if the other people got the story wrong? And I think it kind of like, Oh, wait, I'm I'm perpetuating. What could be gossip. I think that's really what kind of started this. But I was just like, I don't know. It was just like, please don't change your format. If you want to do a longer show do a longer show. But don't change your your format. That was in fact, I actually went over and I put like a four paragraph thing on please do not change your show. I it's the short attention span. That's me. And if you change it, you know,

Jim Collison  
yeah, I almost prefer he stopped. Do if he's if he's going to do a different show, just doing a different feed, and stop. And it's okay. It's okay. If you're, if you don't have enough time to do it, it's okay. I mean, that's what somebody's saying. It's like, the writing for a very short show. And as tight as he makes those shows, it's a lot of work. I mean, it's just it's, it's super well done. I mean, it's some of the best quality you'll find anywhere. He is so magical in the way he both writes in the way he speaks. But I yeah, I think No, but here's the deal, Dave, he can do anything he wants.

David Jackson  
That's it. That's the thing.

Jim Collison  
You say this all the time. So it's like, if he wants to do it, if he wants to go long play on his on the way I heard it, he can do that. Now he may sacrifice some listeners and the process.

David Jackson  
Well, that's it. He may, he may sacrifice me in this case, I really like because there was another show, I used to listen to that. She It was a new show. And she said all the best news in less than 10 minutes. And she kept adding more and more segments because the show needed to be longer because she wanted to add more sponsors. And I was like, Huh, that's not what I tuned in for. You change your format. And so I tuned out, I don't listen anymore. But that's my whole thing I guess is, is if you change your format, you might lose your audience. But you also have to keep in mind, you also might pick up that audience and there gonna be some people that just stick around. Yeah, you might gain might gain some,

Jim Collison  
you know, and then depending on how long you've been out there, I think matters too. If you've been out for six months and you go to change. I don't think it's as big of a deal is if you've been out for three years, because you've weeded out the audience already, like the people who want to listen to you all are already there and the ones that haven't have left, right, they're gone. And then if you radically change at that point, whereas then you know, you're shocking your audience where it's six months, you know, you're still kind of the you know, you're figuring it out your audience is figuring it out. Right, that kind of deal. So I think it kinda depends, if all of a sudden and I've done some radical on home gadget geeks, you know, I've done some, a few changes to the norm. You know, I wanted to do shorter content on home gadget geeks, cuz it wasn't, you know, we're an hour and 20 minutes. So I was like, we need to get something shorter. So I started home tech tips, which was an offshoot of that, and I did I don't 3040 episodes of that, where I pulled out little short tidbits and put them on home tech tips. One of those on YouTubes done like 25,000 views, which in YouTube, land isn't all that much, just to be 100% honest, but it's a lot for me. So, you know, I tried, instead of changing the show, I tried to do it. I did an offshoot of the show, and and did something different. And I think that's a that would be the advice I'd give if you're going to do something different. Don't do it on your, on your established show do something different.

David Jackson  
Yeah, that would be my thing. I'm like, we're really going to change it. That of course, I said, Rogen. So everybody is trimming in because this was the month Have you seen what they did do a show. Let me share my screen here real quick. If you go into spot, and this is Spotify, on a desktop, so I'm sure the app looks different. But what they did is they broke up his stuff into playlists. So here's Joe, on all the viral episodes. Here's one where he talks sports. Here's when we talks health, here's motivating guests, he talks academics, and then you actually have his show up here. And what they're doing different now is I hit play. And there's no seven minutes of commercials. So like one that's different. And you know why? Because they let you get sucked in about two minutes. And then it's Joe on a completely different microphone, said the guy listening through podcasting yours, doing his ads, and you can't skip them. And I was like, Oh, and I was not like I I've heard some really good interviews on Joe Rogan. I thought his interview of Barry Sanders was running for president. I thought that was really insightful. I loved his interview with Ted Nugent, because Ted Nugent was explaining how his son is a vegan. And I'm like, that's got to be an awkward Thanksgiving at the new gin house.

Jim Collison  
Now you just have more mashed potatoes.

David Jackson  
Yeah. And they had Are you all of a sudden uploading a video? Because you've turned into? Oh, great.

Jim Collison  
I was looking at a video. So yeah, I should stop here.

David Jackson  
Because all of a sudden, you're you're doing the robot and like, Oh, no, that's,

Jim Collison  
that's interesting. I was. So my doorbell rang. So I checked, I was checking the ring count. And it must have when I did that, it must have created a file to upload at the same time. I have to remember that.

David Jackson  
How about now? Am I still a still okay, you're you're getting there. But yeah, you're still pretty choppy?

Jim Collison  
Talking. We'll come back.

David Jackson  
Yeah. Dave says What if he did the current part is the segment of a larger show? Yeah, I mean, I've done that. I have a, I took a segment because of my podcast. And I made it its own podcast, because if I had a client that's like, I'm thinking of starting a podcast, like what's the biggest benefit? I can just go because of my podcast, calm, go, go listen, you know, there, here's how you benefit from podcasting, and that whole nine yards. So you could and then so you can have as long as thing? I don't know, I think he had two things that are number one, he was talking about just how it's a stressful time. pandemics are not fun. And he's got it and then that the guy that kind of said, Hey, dude, you're, you got your facts wrong. And you're you're ruining my father's name. I think that really kind of knocked him back. And I think those two things because I know right now, I started a podcast about Akron, Ohio. I quit, because the only news that's available because that was me, I was just gonna be reporting on. And I went to I have a whole list of Akron sites to check to see what's going on. And there's one topic and that's the Coronavirus. And I'm like, I can't I'm just done with it. So, and then my case, I just said, Hey, I'm taking a break till probably 2021. I'll be back, you know, and that's what Mike does. Mike did really do a great job when he got his book deal. He said, I'm stopping the podcast for about three months, I will be back on this date. And when he came back, he said, Hey, I'm back. And the good news is, I think I have a TV show. So I'm going to be very spotty for the next couple of weeks. So

Jim Collison  
with Mike, this really quick, one more thought on this before we transition off of it. You know, it's a case where success has led to a lot. He's where he's kept to make some compromises. You know, he's kind of the end, he's really the opposite of Joe Rogan. When we think about what he does, I mean, Rogan, really, I'm not gonna say he mailed it in, but what he does is the easiest thing to do, like he just sits down and talks for three hours. And yeah, you got to do a little research and blah, blah, blah. That's actually, I think the super easiest way to do it. What Mike does is infinitely harder because there's I think his quality is just much, much higher, it's tight. It's concise. It's done very, very, very well. So You know the the the two are very very different and and in a good for you for letting him know hey like, like don't don't compromise your quality on this thing now if he wants to do what he can but you know we it? Yeah, that's just gonna be he's

David Jackson  
obviously a very creative guy because I didn't realize he was the guy writing those stories I thought he was just I thought he had a team and that was going to be my advice to him like, go get a writer, find somebody else if that's the hardest part. See if you can get somebody who could could

Jim Collison  
enjoy the show down just to be honest, if he if he doesn't have time for it, just shut it off for a while and bring it back. Dirty Jobs was good. They did dirty jobs. And then did it come back or they're thinking of bringing it back or something? He's

David Jackson  
like thinking, I'm like, I guess that's one of the things to me. I'm like, if I'm Mike Rowe, and I'm making decent bank with a podcast and I've got a Facebook show. And I'm like, I'm just gonna be like, Hey, I know Dirty Jobs is kind of what I known for, but I don't need to get dirty anymore. And let's see like that. Yeah, I was like,

Jim Collison  
Ryan always kept that feel good. He has that kind of feel good vibe about him, you know, increase feel good shows. And yeah, you got to do some work.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Yeah, you know, you

Jim Collison  
got to do some work well, good for him, you know, good for him for for being popular in that and for having to make those decisions.

David Jackson  
Well, and I'll give him kudos. He's being very transparent. Yeah. He's like, Hey, here's what's going on. Here's what's in my head. And and when I went over, and I looked, I went back today to see, you know, did my comment on my Facebook posts. And really, it was his audience saying, I like to short show. But I love you more. Do what makes you happy. Do what makes it was over and over Happy Thanksgiving. I'm thankful for your show. Do what makes you happy. So I wish I get and and he's very honest in pointing out that he got inspiration from Paul Harvey. Yeah. And I forgot to write down the name who asked this. Somebody asked in Facebook, who is your podcast role model that you listen to so you can perfect your style of podcasting? Did you have anybody?

Jim Collison  
Yeah, Leo Laporte is was was was my inspiration for sure. And I got a chance to meet him at

David Jackson  
Yeah, yeah,

Jim Collison  
yeah, we got a chance to meet him in Orlando. So that was in a hurry. Right. I think his son's name is Harry. Harry was super interesting. I've heard about Harry growing up over the years and then to meet him was super cool. So yeah, I definitely and I still kind of do I mean, Leo is is the king of I think is the king of this of doing what Rogan's now doing. But these interview shows that are weekly that are, you know, they're variety, basically, variety shows. Leo is really good at it. And so I looked at him a lot.

David Jackson  
That's funny because I I just realized I haven't listened to Leo in a long time. I used to, I would pop in every now and then. And it's just not a name that comes up. It was always he was kind of in the same way of Adam Carolla. His name doesn't come up hardly anymore. It's Rogan, Rogan Rogan, you know and

Jim Collison  
and Rogan will go he'll go the way of this is just it's just a time it'll he'll do his thing. You know, well, Kyle,

David Jackson  
Bobby, when Kyle bondo in the chat said, He's like, I like Rogan, but I'm not going to Spotify. And I was like, I it's gonna be interesting to see because I, Adam curry, who is if somebody said, who inspired me to start a podcast when I heard Adam Curry's voice come out of my speaker. That was when I was like, wait a minute, you know, I know that guy. This sounds fun. But I think my influences if somebody asked us my influences, I would say, and it's not even a podcast with Dave Barry is a very sarcastic writer that growing up, I just loved his column. And then probably David Letterman, the NBC days when he was like, Look at us, we're on national television. I can't believe I'm going to do the suit of seltzer. You know,

Jim Collison  
he used those early days or super funny. Yeah. So I think he got, you know, after his heart attack, he got he kind of settled down and didn't do as much but those early days were certainly interesting. Well, in, in creative, right, and I you know, so I think there's some, there's some opportunities for us in that, as we think about those influences, too. As you're mentioning, I had other one other one in mind that I was thinking of my shoot, it has disappeared. But, you know, you don't have to be them. You can be like them, you can learn from them, you know, learn learn some tricks and techniques. We spent a little bit of time this week interviewed of somebody at work. And we were talking about you know, practicing this craft and the art of going back and listening to your own voice. And I think that's actually something you know, podcasters don't do enough of they don't go back and listen to their own audio, you know, and learn from themselves. How did that go? did that go? Well, how did I do that? Is that a great way to do it? Those kinds of things. I think we can just learn from ourselves sometimes. Yeah. But it's hard.

David Jackson  
It's hard to do. And don't go to last week's show. Go to like, yeah, four months ago, so you can listen with completely fresh ears. Yeah, I love to. I heard what it was like listening to this week. Oh, really early episodes of the podcast review show number one. Apparently my voice is getting deeper. Because it's like, wow, I just like, Hey, welcome to the podcast review show. And

Jim Collison  
I think it's being tight versus being relaxed. It's the longer we do this, the more we get relaxed in our voice, it's the same kind of thing. I went back and listen to the very first episode home gadget geeks, and we played it in the pre show of the 10th Anniversary Show. In it, it's pretty cool. You know, you're like, Oh, my God, what

Bangs Naughty Bits 
was I?

Jim Collison  
What was I thinking? You know, and it's a little higher pitch to

David Jackson  
a coach Dave says challenge is the mother of invention. The inspiration for my first podcast, back in 2005. was reaching a focused target audience distributed around the world with different time zones with a very nuanced message. Yep, that's it's that that's really I one of the things I did, I had a client of mine reach out, and she said, I want to do this show. I want to talk about relationships and blah, blah. And she said, but I want to be funny. And she sent me a link to have you heard of the show call. I think it's called me, daddy. Hmm. And I think this is the one it's on barstool sports. I think this is the one where they had two co hosts. And they went, and then they split up. But the one that's left has like 1.5 million Instagram followers, and probably another million on Twitter and blah, blah, blah. And I'm not approved by any means. But she's 20 something. And she's a social influencers and dropped so many f bombs in the first two minutes, and was talking about genitalia. And just like an even even says in her bio, and I have absolutely no filter. And I was listening to this. And I was like, I just it was like, Wow, I can't believe she Wow. Wow. Wow. And I was like, that's interesting. Because you're either at this point gonna tune out because it was not subtle. It was like, you know, she refers to her. Her audience is always like, Hey, you know, blah, blah, blah going on stuff. And it was like, wow. And and I was like, so you're either gonna love this girl or, or turn her off and go I think I'm getting the vapor sign like I can't she's just sent me into a tizzy. I can't believe she was talking like that. So that was and so I thought about that a lot of times that's people that really have an audience. You know, they they're gonna make you go one way or another you're gonna love him or hate him. So, but you know, you know who I love?

Jim Collison  
Well, we I love people who let me pour more coffee, but that's it.

David Jackson  
And we also have Mr. Naughty bits on deck. So that'll be coming up in just a second. But oh, and I have to play the jingle cuz that's right. The teacher's pet is now the dog Podcast Network. If you are into dogs, you got to check out the dog Podcast Network because James is going to be launching a new dog show. So I think it's one of the things he wants some advice on but it's so he signed up to be the teacher's pet that's just discounted one on one consulting so thank you James for coming on board

Jim Collison  
like the ground like the graphic on that.

David Jackson  
Yeah, it's it's really he's here's the thing for all you coaches that think hey, I'm going to start a podcast coaching business and people will knock at my door. I think Do you remember when podcast movement did that thing with the weird murmur rooms? Yeah. Virtual that was months ago. Yeah. And I believe I haven't met with James yet but I'm pretty sure that's where I met him. Oh, man, so I'll be interested to see how he he ended up working with me but I mean, that was months ago so it's it's a it's a slow grind at times are awesome $20 supporters. People like Kim craggy over Toastmasters. If you if you want to develop your voice, reduce your editing time and improve your content. Toastmasters one on one dotnet Greg over debt shepherd.com if you want to get your finances in line for 2021 the man is teaching financial wellness over debt shepherd.com Shane at spy berry calm who will be coming on the School of podcasting in the future because he's kind of crushing it with his other show, which is tour printer, which you would think would be really hard because who's traveling these days? Glenn, the Geek Hiebert who from what I understand is on the path to getting back in all healthy so we're glad to hear that you can find him over at the horse Radio Network calm if you like horses. He's got every kind of horse every kind of podcast over there. Max trescott. If you're into flying around in the air, check out aviation news talk.com Sullivan if you're looking for an editor, check out Sonic cupcake.com and if you are want to connect with some independent creators, check out the indie drop in network at indie drop in.com Michael Delaney is over there at baby mountain radio productions where podcasting and hard work are made fun find him at baby Mt. radio.com. And if you'd like to be an awesome supporter, go over to ask the podcast coach comm slash awesome and we're trying something new. You can also go over to ask the podcast coach comm slash store. And you will find things like my book profit from your podcast, you'll find links to the school of podcasting, you'll find links to my Patreon account, which we just talked about, you also see a link there to Jim's Patreon account. So if you want to become part of the home gadget geeks tribe, you can do that. As well as a PayPal button. Just go to ask the podcast coach comm slash store. So

Jim Collison  
that's good. Thanks for doing that. Dave. Thanks for putting that on there. I don't know not a requirement, by the way. I don't. I just it's nice of you.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Thank you. Well,

David Jackson  
I was just like, you know, some people like you know, it's it's nice that the awesome supporter goes in my pocket. I'm like, well, there may people is like legitimate like, Oh, I want to give money to Jim, how do I support Jim?

Jim Collison  
I do I do have a Patreon. I'm actually this week actually, maybe even today I'm buying the the mo two m two. So that's coming right out of the Patreon funds to that's what my folks Give it to me to do is to buy equipment. And so we've been talking, you know, when I went to Ed's place a month or two ago whenever that was at Sullivan, I hung out with Ed for the for the weekend. He talked me into it. And so I've been I kind of been waiting for that all those all those dollars and cents to line up and going to purchase it. It's To be honest, it's been out of stock. You can't You can't buy it. So it's supposed to be back in stock here. I'm hoping I'm gonna check today but it's been out of stock for the last couple weeks. So hoping it's coming up and we'll keep checking on it. I just I probably need to contact my Sweetwater guy over there and say, Hey, just buy this thing for me and Dave, do you have a sweet Sweetwater affiliate but yes,

David Jackson  
people do. Go to ask the podcast coach comm slash Sweetwater and I was going to show you I think I ate it all. When I got my P for

Jim Collison  
Yeah, this little project face and some candy.

David Jackson  
They sent some candy I was like oh cool is that and if that's not enough, But wait, there's more. I got a Sweetwater sticker so

Jim Collison  
I think your computer over there

David Jackson  
that'll be going on the iPad

Jim Collison  
shortly. Hey, is bank still waiting?

David Jackson  
He's still waiting. He's very being very patient and only bangs naughty bits king of all things Reddit. Mr. Naughty bits. How are you? How are you?

Bangs Naughty Bits  
I hate to go this route but are you aware of a YouTuber named PewDiePie?

Jim Collison  
I am I've heard of it and that like a long time ago, kind of

Bangs Naughty Bits 
still the Top single solo tuber out there.

David Jackson  
Oh, and makes dizzy like boatloads of cash boatloads of cash when you get

Bangs Naughty Bits 
back to the cash. There's a cash tie into this. Okay? He was doing something that probably was netting him $10,000 would have netted him $10,000 he and a guest we're screwing around as apparently his will because I don't watch PewDiePie I can't manage make myself do it. He annoys me too much. But he broke out a recorder Yeah, a recorder as in what you give a kindergarten class to play music. It's sort of a flute with holes down the top got it. Okay, and he and his music musically associated guests, if I'm not mistaken, decided to play some music and for about 20 seconds they decided they were going to play my heart will go on by Celine Dion. Now, by play they move their fingers on the recorder and blue in it really loud. You would not understand that this was by heart goes on by Celine Dion. Okay. If you listen to it, it was copyright right struck 20 seconds of bad recorder playing. That didn't sound like the original source code, most likely because he said let's play. Video one by Celine Dion

Jim Collison  
struck down by YouTube

Bangs Naughty Bits 
and confirmed he appealed it it was confirmed and the whoever struck it down probably got about $10,000 worth of revenue before he took and monetized his own video. So you can get copyright struck, copy struck. Not just for playing The music but for claiming you're going to play the music. Right? YouTube will confirm this. Hmm. Even if you don't play anything resembling the music.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
That's a weird one.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
So when you go out and you grab random real music out there, you don't have a chance guys.

Jim Collison  
Yeah, yeah. Well, I think we I think everybody knows at this point you can't

Bangs Naughty Bits 
No, no, no, no, nobody knows. Nobody knows this. This question comes up every week. Yeah. Well, nobody knows until they get hit by it. And then they're suddenly shocked.

Jim Collison  
Well, this audience knows because they hear us say it all the time. So

Bangs Naughty Bits 
yeah. started implementing automatic copyright monitoring of background music. Yeah, about a month ago, as they panic because they had no idea this was happening.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Right. Right.

David Jackson  
Interesting. Anything else there

Bangs Naughty Bits 
is to avoid Tick Tock like the plague. Yeah,

Jim Collison  
that's a good that's a good that's a good advice. That's one area. I agree with you so

David Jackson  
nice. All right, my friend.

Jim Collison  
I bangs Good. Good hearing from you, man. Great, great sound. But today, yeah,

David Jackson  
see you sound great.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
That's a Shure Beta 50 a day as opposed to the big boy.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Nice. Awesome. Nice. Yeah. Sounds good.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
You have a great day.

Jim Collison  
All right, take care have a good Saturday.

David Jackson  
Well, that leads us very nicely to a question that came up in Facebook. And then it came up from somebody who attends by Northeast Ohio. podcasters meetup. And the question goes a little something like this.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Hi, Dave, this is Kim plot, and the guy who's on your Northeast Ohio group, the B guy that, that you see every month, a quick question on a topic. And we were wondering our group about liability. And, you know, how does that work? If someone decides they don't like what you say, or they accuse you of saying something that is unsuitable to them, and, and all the things that can go wrong with liability. So just a thought kill met growing Planet media.com any thoughts or information or directions you can point me, um, would be appreciated, appreciated. Thank

David Jackson  
you. And it's one of those things that man, I'm gonna say, five, maybe 10 years ago, somebody had a booth at podcast movement or pod fest. And I remember thinking, hmm, like insurance for podcasters. But, but you can get some sort of I just did it. I just went liability insurance for podcasters in thimble calm came up. So I have no idea what it is. I did a couple other you know, starting as low as $25 a month and I'm like, that's why nobody has it. It's a monthly thing. And it's one of those things where, you know, if you got it, it's it's in all insurances. Like, you don't really need it until you need it.

Jim Collison  
Right. So yeah, I need it for Do you think things would you would you think you say apparently, right? I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna say something about somebody, and they're gonna sue you, that's where you would, that's where this kind of insurance would kick in. Right?

David Jackson  
Yeah, I guess defamation of character. Maybe if I say something, it's so if you're doing any kind of reviews, like the podcast rodeo show should probably have insurance. Because somebody can say Dave said, my show was awful. And you ruined it and, you know,

Jim Collison  
insurance against libel? I don't think you can buy that kind of a, I think it's I don't think it's for that.

David Jackson  
Yeah, I mean, that's why I say at the beginning of the show, this is an opinion, and only an opinion. So errors and omissions bank says. So Oh, they're talking about mastercards. You never know what the chat rooms chat rooms having their own show. So I'm not really sure to be honest. I just know, I got threatened when delo had a thing. And I lost my crew. They, they had had a website that said this sale ends in like, you know, 34 minutes. And I went ahead and bought it and woke up the next day and the sale was still there. And I was so bad. I was like, Oh, you guys lied to me, blah, blah, blah. And I did a YouTube video. So there are a bunch of crooks and thieves and blah, blah, blah. And they politely just said, You can't and I said nobody should order from them. I think that's the one that really, that's when they unleash the hounds. And they said before we sued you into oblivion. Would you like to take that down? I went. And so I asked a Gordon fire mark, and he goes, you can report on your experience. Yeah, this is what happened. Blah, blah, blah. He goes, but you can't just say, you know, I hate these guys. They're thieves. You got to you got to have a little, you know, and he goes and document what you did, which doesn't always help by the way I forget the other pod Meo I think it was that I had a thing on and I did I mean, I screenshots. And the problem was their VC backed. And apparently the VCs were like, hey, every time we Google, this company, this guy has a post explaining what a horrible time he had. And they threatened lawyers. And I was like, I could have said, No, it's documented as like, I mean, I don't know about you, anytime I can stay out of court, on anything. I am, like, you know, what, not where that I'm not getting a lot of traffic from that. So

Jim Collison  
it's, I listen, I, I, I listen to a lot of reviews. Because what I do with home gadget geeks, and there's, there's an appropriate way to review something, and then there's an inappropriate way. In some people just fall into this trap of thinking they have to word use words like, inappropriate and trash and, and hack, and, you know, and you're like, Ah, I'm not sure that's really the right way to go. You don't have to say it's the best thing ever. But, like, just be careful about the words you use, you know, but that kind of stuff back that's insurance idea. I mean, you don't have to the current culture like that's, that's like, when you do those kinds of things, you just kind of fall into the Reddit culture, or you just kind of fall into the YouTube comments, culture, right? Where people just say whatever they want in when you're doing on a podcast and recording it, I guess, you know, when you're in Reddit or Facebook, it's recorded there as well, but doesn't have to be that way. So I know, this our audience, Dave, everybody is really good that listens to this show. So I'm sure nobody's worried about that.

David Jackson  
Yeah, I guess a lot of it would depend. And I, I almost if I had time, I would. Yeah, I see here. Here's one, you know, General Liability Insurance in five minutes. There's all sorts of different places, but Well, that's

Jim Collison  
why our coaches, we sometimes recommend that our coaches get some kind of insurance because you're working with people and that you just never know what's going to go what what's going to happen and those kinds of situations. And so having some kind of it's almost like buying a retainer is what you're buying with. Yeah. You're just retaining somebody to help you in these cases.

David Jackson  
Yeah, I just googled it. This is again, thimble must be having a great SEO team, they came up again, as a podcaster. You know, your show keeps people on company on their commute. Whether they're tuning in to hear about an unsolved case, or tips, cultivating happiness, you know, your podcast keeps the energy throughout the day, you deserve to do it worry free. Beyond the risk of bodily injury from anyone from weight injury, anyway, from an advertiser, to a subject of your reporting might become litigious. If you fail to era sponsors, as often as contractually agreed upon, they could claim you're responsible for their lost revenue. See, now this is really, you know, how much does insurance cost? Well, you have to get a quote, of course, what is covered bodily injury? I don't know, Jim, have you ever gotten hurt on the job doing as the podcast coach, or you might have pulled a muscle pulling that big coffee mug but

Jim Collison  
but but Dave, there could be I mean, in some way we laugh about this, but never know, like, what people are going to do. You know, I'm sitting in this chair, I'm pouring coffee, it's super hot, I poured on my lap. It scolds me and damages me for life, I turn into a different person. And I start saying, well, I did this during a time when I was on asked the podcast coach, and in Yes, Dave does not pay me to do this. But he has, he now has my patreon on his store. So it's an implied relationship that I write. I mean, people get crazy when they get hurt, or they get crazy when, you know, especially if that coffee spill caused 100 and, you know, say caused a million dollars worth of damage to me, you know, and medical costs, well, all of a sudden, then I'm just looking for ways to help get this paid for. And when you take it to a lawyer, they don't care. They don't care that you're my friend. They're like, let's Sue David Jackson. Like, let's just, you know,

David Jackson  
as I as I read through this half, these are sponsor related. Like, if you mess up a sponsor, they might claim loss of revenue, blah, blah, blah, but I guess, call me naive, I don't really worry that much about it. Because now There Will Smith had a great video on YouTube. And he was doing kind of an Ask me anything. And somebody asked him, like, would you rather be rich or famous? And he said, You know, I gotta tell you, I love being famous. He goes, because everybody wants to be loved. And when you meet people and they freak out because your Will Smith and this and that. He goes but on the other hand, he goes, I now have a team, a team of people who do nothing, but take on he goes, everybody suing me for the stupidest stuff. You've you kind of go Wait, why you can even sue for that. He goes, yep, you can. He goes and you got to go defend yourself. He goes so I vote. He goes That's the downside of, of kind of fame. So, or, yeah, so I don't want to say you don't need it. I'm just saying, I guess I would have to depend what the quote is. If they say it's nine bucks a month. Okay, maybe, I guess. But I would also have to get a lot more details on, you know, somebody Sue's me because I don't like their show. You know,

Jim Collison  
if I was thinking about it, I would pay a lawyer for an hour of conversation about it to say, okay, you know, somebody, especially who works in business law, right? And say, Okay, here's what I'm doing what what, what is your recommendation? And what should I do paid that? Pay that lawyer, whatever somebody you trust, to give you that advice? And then it's a one time fee, and then then do what they tell you or don't but but that's what I would do. I get a little I'd get a little advice first.

David Jackson  
Yeah, the the chat room was talking about the McDonald's

Bangs Naughty Bits 
coffee example.

David Jackson  
Do you know if you look into that, though, cuz everybody's like, that's insane, that she got that kind of money. They were warned in the past. That's the reason I didn't realize that if, again, we're not here that on a podcast now. I can't remember which one and I can't, but they sent in the very way that like, if you actually research that the reason that woman won the case isn't because it's like they had been warned in the past that they were way over the the whatever recommended temperature level. Yeah.

Jim Collison  
And so you're kind of like, you're gonna get sued for talking about it. So yeah, you're gonna get a cease and desist. McDonald's is listening.

David Jackson  
Yeah, I'm moving on to our new Teacher's pet James Jacobson, we saw his awesome, you know, dog network. He said, How should I introduce a brand new podcast to our existing podcast audience? And I, to me, this is one of those where I think sometimes, because it's new, and you want to bring everything you can out of it. And you want it to be perfect. I there's a part of me that kind of goes, you might be overthinking this one. Because I mean, what are your options? You could either if we look at NPR, and this kind of drives me nuts at times where they'll just put the whole episode

Jim Collison  
down Radio Live does that all the time? Yeah. You know, radio is the flagship, and that is one of the flagships Yeah. So they just run, they'll just run that down. The full thing.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Hey, we created a new one, I

Jim Collison  
think, what was the one about the the amendments, the Constitution, I forget what they created a new Jad created a new one. They they played several episodes. So that's, you could go that extreme.

David Jackson  
Now, how does when that happens? Like, do you like that? Do you close? Like, it's close to what they're and sometimes,

Jim Collison  
if they start, I'll give it five or 10 minutes. And if I don't like it, I'll just go, you know, Ford, Ford, Ford, Ford, Ford, for till it's done. And it deletes it automatically, though done. Yeah. And that's, that's the beauty of it is I can do that. But I think I don't think that's wrong. But they do. I think we're gonna do it at Gallup, we've got a new podcast that launches Tuesday, and we're gonna send it down a couple of the streams that we have, why wouldn't we, like, you know, just get people off it. Now, I wouldn't send a four hour show down the stream for somebody to listen to, I might send a snippet or 15 minutes. So that's,

David Jackson  
that's what the chat that that would be my advice, make a really good trailer, and send it down to the other networks and then have the other net will have the other shows if that's a network, I'm assuming that's part of the deal is hey, you know, this show, like this week, we're going to promote, you know, Karen show and then next week, we're going to promote Bill's show. And if you can have everybody kind of focus on one show, a month or something like that, to drive traffic to a specific target. That would be my advice, just come up with a cool trailer and

Jim Collison  
skip it. I don't think I would put it in the fee to skip and this is, or this is what radio lab does. By the way, a code three got it's more perfect. The show I was thinking of, ah, I don't think I would replace you know, if I'm a regular Thursday guy or gal, and I don't think I'm gonna promote it. I don't think I'd drop it down the feed on Thursday. I think I drop it down. And I lead in with Hey, we have a new show that we want to share with you. You know, it's totally optional. Thanks for your consideration kind of thing. I think that's what I would do.

David Jackson  
That's the key to because I A you don't want to just like hey, it's Thursdays time for gym. And also you're like, wait, who's this? So that's you don't want to confuse people. So I would definitely would be a bonus episode and I would do exactly what you said. Because otherwise, somebody's gonna think their phone got hacked. They go to play your show, and all of a sudden something else comes out. So you're like, hey, thanks so much for listening. Just want to give you a heads up, there's a new show on the network, or whatever, yada yada yada. Here it is. It's really great. Wait till you hear this and then play the whole thing or the trailer or whatever you're gonna do. I'm with you on that. I don't know that. I would just You don't want your audience going, what's going on? That's just not good. Yeah, if

Jim Collison  
especially if they're very different, if they're close, then maybe you can get away with just playing it. But I still a big fan of the lead in, you know, with the, with the regular host leaving it in even with 10 seconds of, Hey, we have new podcasts. We just wanted to share it with you. Thanks for listening.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Yeah. So never works.

David Jackson  
Is it never good idea to have your, your audience confused? You know, yeah.

Jim Collison  
Consider it. I mean, you can do it. But I think it's just about being considerate and kind of think through, you know, I always try to think, what are my listeners thinking at this point, what, you know, they're in their car. They're driving to work, I hear a lot of my a lot of the ones that listen on on the home gadget geek side, they're commuters not anymore, then, but, but they were they were commuting a lot. And so I was like, Okay, what kind of experience can I give them that will is not jarring, or that they have to all of a sudden start touching buttons to figure things out. You know, I just, in my case, long play that's consistent and mildly entertaining. That's what I'm looking for. And that's what my audience wants. That's what they've gravitated towards.

David Jackson  
So I just tried to think about that experience, you know, and then Chris Nessie says have the new host as a guest on the other shows to promote Yep. Yeah, that's that's one of the things that Jordan Harbinger is part of podcast one. And I think one of the perks of that is he gets like he's got to interview Adam Carolla and some of the other celebs over there, because that helps promote their show. It's great for Jordan, you know, that whole nine yards. So that's another advantage that but yeah, just anything you can do just to get in front of that audience. And

Jim Collison  
in our case at Gallup, you know, we have to we have the the podcasts, the Gallup podcast, and then I have my called the coach stuff that I do, it would make sense to just drop it down that channel or drop it down with a, a teaser from the host of the Gallup podcast saying, Hey, this is what this isn't that played in its entirety. That would make sense, it would not make sense to do that on my on my channel on the on the coaching side, it would make more sense to interview them and turn the interview into a conversation that's valuable for our coaches, the folks that are listening. And so to the same company, but two totally different ways we should promote it based on the audience that's coming. So I reached out to the the executive producer of that show and said, Hey, do you want Can I get those ladies on my program? And and would they be okay with an interview and we'll you know, in a couple weeks, month, whatever, whatever works, we can promote the show that way. And so we're working on you know, figuring figuring out what that looks like. But it's just you can't it's not a one size fits all. I think if we kind of think about what's the audience expectation, what are they expecting at this point? And then meet him meet him at that expectation.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
There you go. Jim, are you on Tick Tock?

Jim Collison  
I am not know that. One thing. I've stayed away from it. I'm glad of it.

David Jackson  
Yeah, it's I had somebody this week, one of my clients, and she's just killing it on Tick Tock. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, and so I am also not on Tick Tock. So I say this to anyone who is on Tick Tock. Here's some things is this was from Jason green. Oh, here's a here's a pop quiz. And Jim, I tested you this morning. And you'll be happy to know. That's right. You passed the pop quiz. One of the things that people do on Facebook, is they go over and they like answer questions and things like that, in this case, Jason green, I'm sure he actually is a really nice guy. He has pictures of his kids on his Facebook, and everything else. But you know what, Jason doesn't have his website link. And I was like, ah, couldn't so. But Jim, not only has his Facebook, he's got his Twitter, you got like all your contact information when you go to the about page. Yeah. And I was like, I better have mine. And I did. So if you're using Facebook as a way to kind of, you know, network with people. You want to do that. The other thing it's kind of fun because I just did one. I don't know why, but I'm going through a second puberty pool.

Jim Collison  
Where are you starting?

David Jackson  
Yeah, I keep my voice keeps every now and then I did a video yesterday. And I'm like, and what I'm talking about and I was like, What? Nobody likes Charlie in the box.

Jim Collison  
The Brady episode. Well, he's the kid that does that. Greg not it's not Greg Brady. Peter. Peter Brady.

David Jackson  
Yes, my step twin brother Peter Brady. Anyway, um, anyway, back to tick tock, Jason green, who by the way does not have a website because I was gonna say, Jason, hey, from the such and such podcast, it's such and such. Nothing. So fix that Jason. He says my entire promotion of my podcast is through Tick Tock. Today I'm in the top five of my subcategory and top 50 in my main category in four months now, as neither Jim or I on Tick Tock. It sounds good. I don't know if it is but Okay, we'll go with that's good. My last podcast never came close to this. close to what though, and I spent money on advertising. If you try Tick tock, here are some tips. Stick to your niche early on. That's kind of don't stray. Tick, tock doesn't want to see you walking your dog if your niche is surfing, unless your dog is surfing you, which is kind of good advice for everything. We might actually talk about that here in a second Mike Rowe is having a crisis. Use a brief description followed by niche hashtags, use at least three, teach, teach your niche and then provide your podcast later. I known as the person in my niche, use more 15 seconds in 62nd videos, use the trending songs but not the trending hashtags fit your topic into the trending thing. That's what I like to call playing in traffic. And I just wanted things where I was kind of nervous about it, because you heard all sorts of weird things.

Jim Collison  
Still not a still not a great app, but one.

David Jackson  
And there was a dude that just came along by the training. Well, there was a guy that just came out who's gonna lose his job when the transition from one president to the other came is going through. He was kind of like, hey, guess what the biggest threat is to the US. It's China. And I was like, You know what, maybe I'm not gonna get

Jim Collison  
you well. And I think for you, for you, our US audience for folks that are in the United States, Instagram is just infinitely better. Yeah. So it's just there's that, you know, it just it just is what it is on that. Yeah, tick tock. It's I I would if I'd be very careful, that app, very careful that I don't, I'm not listening. I'm not a tinfoil hat kind of guy. But in this one case with Tick tock, just be careful. I want to think about it.

David Jackson  
Yes. Jim, what's, uh, what's coming up on

Jim Collison  
the average guy.tv. And I alluded to it in the beginning of this show, 10 years, we celebrated 10 years of home gadget geeks, 171 episodes in yours, Dave, tons of fun. We reminisce a little bit, but we kind of brought a whole bunch of value around home storage and security is kind of where we started. The network was around, you know, home data storage. And so we're producing it right now. It will be out here later. You can you can find it over at the average guy.

David Jackson  
And coming up in the post show, john is asking, he's looking for a cost effective USB interface. You'll hear where my answer is the same almost for every question on this now, but done the School of podcasting. I've got somebody who didn't have an audience didn't have a big social following. started a podcast Two years later, is getting about 8000 downloads per episode. And I was like, how did you do that? And it took me a while because it's not, he's just promoting it on social, there was no golden ticket. And then in the shower, because that's where all great ideas come in. I was like, that's why that worked. That's why that works. So we're gonna have it's kind of a like, we're gonna be looking at the power of the niche. But also Wait, why did his show take off in my didn't so that'll be coming up on the School of podcasting. This week, I want to give a quick shout out again to mark over at podcast branding CO and the awesome 34 people in the chat room here. We're here every Saturday, ask the podcast coach comm slash live. And again, if you would like to support the show, just go over to ask the podcast coach comm slash store and you can become one of the awesome supporters. So everybody stick around and be safe out in this lovely holiday time. Because if you don't need it, don't go out. That's the advice we're getting here at least in Ohio, but stick around for some post show.

And we're back. So if somebody says hey, what recorder should I buy? I go the zoom pod track before. If somebody says I'm looking for an interface for my you know, to plug into my laptop, I go the zoom pod track before, if somebody says I need a mixer, I'm gonna have multiple people I say the zoom pod track before if somebody says I need a way to tie my phone into my computer, I say the zoom by drag it's 200 bucks. And look I love focus right there a sponsor of mine for the school of podcasting, but their units about 150 bucks I think for the latest what's that motor going to run you Jim?

Bangs Naughty Bits 
I want 70

David Jackson  
Yeah, this is 200 bucks and And granted, the Motu has better probably preamps than this and it has you know Few more features, but it's not a recorder. It's you can't tap a phone into the mode to think so for me. You know, and it's portable. It runs on batteries if you want it to. So that is and that's what people go Why did you buy a pod track before? Like, why did you buy it on mine? Because I'm going to recommend this out the Ying Yang. And I that way In fact, I was gonna use it today. I forgot. I've not even opened he still taped up. But, and I think open man, get

Bangs Naughty Bits 
it open. Dave Jackson,

David Jackson  
do I have I don't have anything to open it with. Hold on. Maybe there's no tape. I thought I felt tape. Daniel had a thing he said. I think the ps4 would be overkill for interfacing a mixer for someone who already has a PC. Yeah, maybe it does. My whole thing is it's kind of like you grow into it. It's I love the fact that it just kind of does everything. So here's the box. We'll do a little unboxing here. So we flap that up. And you have of course your lovely. A manual fits all of four pages if that. And then here's another manual in 27 different languages. That's always helpful. And it comes in a little bag. Oh no, it's cute. It's a little. No. And some batteries in it. That's it. Basically, there's probably a cable in here, I'm assuming. But it's got this little burlap bag kind of thing. I guess I could do this. temporarily. So there's this and then you pull it out. While Ah, there it is. It's got two batteries down there up here. I'm going to assume if I pull these out somewhere in here. No, there's no cable with this. Really? There's no cable that doesn't seem right. If I pulled I would be hard. No cable there no cable there. There is no cable to plug this thing in.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
How does that happen?

David Jackson  
Wow. Okay. Not a big deal. But one would think there would be a cable because you know, I got to plug it in here. USB cable or no power, you know, well no power cable. Because it runs on USB. Or you could like I could power it up with a brick you know, USB thing. But that is kind of surprising. But that's it and it's like I

Jim Collison  
feel What's that? What's it feel like? You'll feel feel heavy is it kind of like it's kind

David Jackson  
of light it's I always say this is not it's not it's it's plastic, you know, this is much like the h4 it's you kind of pick it up and go Okay, this is light in this plastic. So I wouldn't drop this too many times. But when I I'm not joking when I say it's the size of a checkbook. It's really really,

Jim Collison  
I almost put some weights in the like I'd almost line the plastic with a little bit of weight just so it fitted and feel cheap.

David Jackson  
But if you're like me you've got a ton of these cables lying around doing nothing anyway so but that is the and then you know for now I'll put it back in it's little it's a little bag and so doesn't get dirty. And I'll probably just keep the box back there to promote it but that would be my thing. Otherwise, I'm with Jim if somebody said what I'm what USB interface. I like the mo to I like focus right stuff, but based on bandroom. So if we talk about influencers based on Bandura his reaction to the Motu and I think it's only I think it's about I think it's $20 more than a focus right? I'd have to look it up. And of course these are all available at ask the podcast coach comm slash Sweetwater and I'm not even gonna bother trying to put the box back together. Just keep the outside one so it looks pretty.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
But

David Jackson  
I get what was John's original question. He just wanted to plug it into a laptop, right? I

Bangs Naughty Bits 
think so. Yeah. See,

David Jackson  
I would. I love the fact that cuz I mean, last week, we talked about this before we started recording. And speaking of that, I'm not recording so thank you stream yard and YouTube for having my backup. I talked all about them completely forgot and spreaker now I think about it. Um, last week, our show was what 90 minutes I guess. Yeah. And at the at the 80 minute mark. All of a sudden, every channel on the road caster went good. And I was like, Huh, and I think I ended up pulling the audio from stream yard to get the last 10 minutes. So I don't know what was up with that. I don't know if I accidentally pulled out the card. When you know it wasn't done or something like that. But that that bugs me stuff like that I'm like, Huh, because I don't want to hit record and go, I hope this works this time. So I will be, I will be keeping you abreast of any things like that I'm kind of bummed that I didn't record because I wanted to. I've done two interviews since then. So it's been fine. So we shall see Him so. But that's the only thing I would kind of worry about this is I would get some, I'm sure they make cases for this, I would get saved. And in fact, the H 496. came with a case it was like this little plastic coffin. That was kind of cool. And, you know, so that's, again, there's there isn't much protecting this besides this little bag. And I know the road caster, there's all sorts of companies making cases and stuff. for that. I did not reformat the card yet. I'm going to today, because I have some recordings on it. And as you know, getting recordings off the card, if you want to actually because I could copy the multi wave over. But I, I wonder if I do that. No, the with the road software, it's either got to be on the card or on the road caster for that software to work, I don't think you can point it at a folder. Because I do like the way their software not only takes the multi wave and kind of pulls it out. It also identifies every track word, if you use the one from sound devices, you kind of find yourself going Wait, what and I think it's odd that channel one on the recording is channel three, because they count the stereo mixes channels one and two that drives me nuts. So you have to sit there and do math. And go wait. Mike one is actually Mike three, which makes Mike five Mike number seven, and then you cross the two and divided by four. And it's like Why? I just need to know what channels when so when you use the road software, it actually labels them and actually like that, so But anyway, so yeah, john, thanks. You're welcome. He says like, thanks for the suggestions. And of course, you can buy that at ask the podcast coach comm slash Sweetwater get a built in two year warranty free shipping, tech support and candy. I mean, what more do you want? Um, do we want to talk about Christmas? Does that help? Yes,

Bangs Naughty Bits 
sir. Thanks. So we can

David Jackson  
I don't know, guys, but I was telling Jim I feel like I'm in a bad ranking bass, a claymation. You know, Christmas thing. We need some music like bam, bam, ba Christmas has been cancelled at the Jackson house.

Jim Collison  
Hold on. Wait, if we're gonna talk about Christmas, let's let's wait.

David Jackson  
So, yeah, so we've decided mainly because my brother, I think my brother and my sister in law and myself, we're going to get together just a high five. But there's no big family gathering because my brother, myself and my sister in law all work from home. And we don't see anybody so we know where, you know. But when you get into my sister, and especially his grandkids, that's the part that's killing him. Because his grandkids are fishing.

Jim Collison  
This is hard. Like, it's harder than I thought it was going to be. We did Thanksgiving and we shouldn't have. But now I've been telling the kids Ah, I don't know if we're gonna do Christmas. And they're pushing back hard. Like they are like, Oh, that is depressing. So yeah. hard decision.

David Jackson  
Yeah, we and we thought about shipping everybody their presence, and then getting on zoom. And opening presents live. So you can see the reaction and such. But yeah, we've decided to cancel it.

Jim Collison  
So having a having a slimmed down trim to Christmas. It's hard on people. It's just, you know, my, my marine son, who's home now, for a couple Christmases he had missed every Thanksgiving for the last five years. So you know, like we were we were kind of dead set on is probably a bad way. It's probably a better. Let's say this. We were at about There we go. We were adamant about having it this year. But but he's been home for Christmas before but that's a tough, you know, that's a tough decision.

David Jackson  
Because, you know, when you get grandkids involved, I mean, that's half the fun of Christmas when you're old. Because even my brother, we're gonna do the exchanging of gift cards. I'm like, why are we even doing that? Because then you have this weird thing. Like, here's your whatever. What if he gives me a $50 gift card? And I give him a 40. I'm like, Oh, wait. So that'll be kind of weird. So Ah, Gary says I had a question about multi WAV files. Is there a way to drag and drop those into Adobe Audition? Yes, you can. I originally thought no. But then I found out that my Adobe, whatever thing that runs in your little corner of your Windows machine had not updated Adobe and when I updated it because I was like really, but yeah, just drag it in and it'll whatever A dip that my guess is a way of doing that. So anyway, um, yeah, um, yes. The ninth, I believe, is when podcast movement is doing a virtual meetup. So that's this week, sometime, if I remember right, I saw that in. Here we go. Do I have the link? I do have the link, look at me. Yay. Trello. This is the link to the podcast movement. And that'll be in the show notes at ask the podcast coach comm slash three to zero. But if you're listening to this, you're in. You're an awesome supporters. So it'll be in the show notes for that. So

Jim Collison  
there you go. And they're about the apple deadline.

David Jackson  
Do we have Apple deadline has another one. Yeah. And they just got back. So if you were like, hey, why is it taking so long? The next deadline is December 23. through January 2,

Jim Collison  
is there. By the way, just submit. Don't worry about deadlines. just submit it. It's it just get it in there. Get it in the queue. You never know. We we, you know this this podcast I was talking about during the show. We got notification of that Tuesday of this week. And they're like, Hey, we want to launch next Tuesday. I laughed. Yeah. And then I was like, Okay, I there's a lot I can do for you. But submitting it to iTunes, I'm I'm at their mercy. So I can't guarantee that it'll be ready by the eighth. I can give you an RSS feed. I can give you everything you know, on spreaker. We can set that up in a day. But so I submitted that Tuesday, and I haven't heard back from him yet. So it'll maybe maybe it'll come Monday or Tuesday. Maybe I'll get lucky. It'll show up Monday.

David Jackson  
Yeah, the other deadline, of course, is December 14. That's if you're going to participate in what is my favorite podcast and why for the school of podcasting. I've for probably seven years now, that's been my last episode of the year. And the big thing we're looking for there is why is it your favorite, but also if you have a podcast while you're there, be sure to tell us where we can find your show. And you can find all that at school of podcasting comm slash. That's always a I was like it because I discovered shows that I didn't know. That's the other reason why I like it. I mean, I still have my little last five and a five segment. But I haven't done one of those and so long and neither is my audience. I think we forgot about it. So I need to bring that back. Because that was always a cool little way to discover new podcasts. And so get those in. Don't wait till the last minute that makes Dave very nervous when all of a sudden on the on the 15th. Whenever he goes, Hey, I missed it. I was like and but I did get smart. I started doing the deadline is now two weeks before because a somebody's going to tell me on the 15th I missed it. Can I please get mine in. But also it takes a while to edit those, in some cases down. And it's not that I don't I mean, it's great to hear people go Hey, Dave, thanks so much for the show. I really like it. And then they say all sorts of very nice things, which is great. I just, that's not to me, that would be kind of a douchey move to like, hey, let's listen to a bunch of people tell me how great I am. So I always cut that out and just stick to the question for that. So that always takes a little doing so. Um, Gary says I set up Lipson account, am I limited to one podcast? Or can I do several you can do as many as you want. Each one needs a plan, because every plan has its own feed, which is great, because I have one building a better Dave is on a $5 plan. Why? Because I put that show out about once every two months, as the podcast coach is on a $20 plan, because we do 90 minutes every single week. And plus I want the advanced stats. So if you I don't know if this is gonna work in the chat room, we'll try this. There's your auto response from Dave on how to do that, click on your name in the upper right hand corner and choose register new show. For more information go to hosting multiple podcast Well, that's actually a link. But if you search for that title, hosting multiple podcast shows under a single login, that's in our knowledge base so that you can do that. And other places. I know there's spreaker you can have multiple shows they have a different business model, where it's it's maybe more per month, but you get multiple shows. But they typically there's a limit in there somewhere. We're in limit. The only limit Lipson is is how much can you upload each month. Um, people like captivates another one, where you can have unlimited shows Unlimited, you know, episodes. But the more popular you get, the more expensive it gets. So it's six one way half a dozen the other. So there you go. expander. I

Jim Collison  
just had is that web based or is that a application you have to it's

David Jackson  
great about text expander is let me see if I can I'll do it on the School of podcasting. It's web. It's, it might as well be web based. It's an app but the app works on everything. I think I can even do this on my phone if I wanted to. And you could have like I have links I have really long stuff, you can have HTML, anything that you want to retype. So what I do is like for the horse, whatever you call the podcast rodeo show, I have a thing that I put at the bottom of every episode. And so that's that, and I have, it's the same kind of, like format, it's always like, here's the name of the show, here's their description. Here's, you know, this and that. And so all I do, and I'm going to share my screen here in two seconds, as soon as I get done, logging in. Here we go. Okay, so here I am in WordPress. And I'm going to switch to the text view. And if I just type in, in my case, I always add a hashtag of the bidding. So I don't accidentally type this by accident. So hashtag rodeo show, out of being. So just typed all this in. And when I go back to the visual view, it's got all of the stuff that I need. And I just come in here and fill this in. For some reason, those images aren't showing up, which is odd. But I will look into that a little later. Um, but that's all that so if I you know, if somebody, you can also have a prompt you. So if somebody says, my podcast is broken, and I look and I try to look up their account, and they've emailed from the account, it's not on the thing. I just type in hashtag WTF. And it pops up a thing is this going to Oh, it's over here. I'll put this on the screen. And it actually has me fill in. So I could say, hey, Jim, thanks for reaching out, I looked at you know, your email, Jim, at the guide on TV, or TV, not TV, I click on OK. And then put that all in there. So you can have a little pop up stuff. School of podcasting comm slash text expander is my affiliate link for that. But I use this all the time. I don't use it. I mean, you would think I would use it a ton at Lipson. And they unless it's a really well thought out text and things like that they kind of they're not a big fan of sending, especially the one thing you would never do. And this is any company, never send the exact same answer twice that that does not go over well. So, but I use it all the time for all sorts of stuff. It's pretty and I know there's one on on Mac, I forget the name of it. That's pretty handy.

Jim Collison  
But it's not a browser plugin.

David Jackson  
It's what it is, is when you fire it up on your thing. It's pulling the database of what they call snippets from the web. So that's what I love about it is I can fire up my laptop where I had, I forget what I was using before, but I would have to like export, and then import it into whatever machine this goes out in your databases in the cloud. So no matter what app you're on, if I update a snippet, the point at something else and go to a different machine. It's I've got the latest greatest stuff. So

Jim Collison  
windows box, I'm going to need to install it. I can't it's not it doesn't have a browser plugin.

David Jackson  
I if there is I've never used it. It's so I think it's Yeah, but I know it.

Jim Collison  
I'm banks, you say it's Mac only I'm on their website, and they have a Mac, they have a window install on their website.

David Jackson  
On on TextExpander. Yeah,

Jim Collison  
yeah, I'm on their site, and it has a Windows if you go to the download, I'm using Apple Mac, Windows and Chrome.

David Jackson  
So there you go. There's your web based version. So I've never even played with that. That's pretty cool.

Jim Collison  
Chrome. Oh, okay. Well, it's chrome assuming that's the Chrome browser. See, that would be helpful to me, I've been thinking about doing this because I do I'm doing more and more of these support things that I'm doing on a regular basis. And I say the same things over and over and over and over. Right? So I have a buck something like that right? 45 bucks.

David Jackson  
Yeah, it's really and I'm here to tell you it saves you so much time for me. And again, I'm not complaining but like you just said I mean when you're dealing with customers, you're gonna answer the same questions over and over and over so when somebody says my budget is you know, 100 bucks what's the best microphone and just hashtag 100 and air comes with the links and you know that it's it's one of those things where you kind of go really what like does it really help that much? Yeah, and then it's just everything I like I talked about the book story where the so many times that I now have hashtag story worthy and it's my Amazon affiliate link all this stuff that you just anything you find yourself repeating. It really comes in handy.

Jim Collison  
Groups, I'm thinking I have some groups on Facebook when they enter the group. We they're all private so you have to request what I let him in I say Hey, welcome you know, here's a few things that would be handy when I when I add them to the we have another private Facebook group, I send an email that would be handy. The question question would be like, when I'm in Outlook? How would I get that to work? If I'm using the Chrome extension? My, they won't let me install that on. Okay. So I need it to be browser based. And I could put it in Chrome. But if then if it's in Chrome, I'll try the free trial. I think they have a free trial. Yeah, I'll give free trial. I've been, I've listened. I've heard you talk about TextExpander. since I met you, you know, you for a long time. And every time I'm writing something repetitive, I think that Dave Jackson, I shouldn't do this.

David Jackson  
I want to check out my thing, if you go to school of podcasting.com slash TextExpander. Yes, that is my affiliate link. And it's what's great is they will send you an email, and let you know how much time you saved, like you sent out, you know, 400 snippets this week, saving you, you know, two hours and 42 minutes, if you had had to type this stuff out. And you're like, holy cow. So there we go. JOHN says john Wilkerson

Jim Collison  
work. And that will work for me. The web version is awful, like Outlook web back. Awful. So I just started want to get my own advice, in the in the real show about saying something terrible about somebody else's product. I, I don't like web version of Outlook. It's it's just it doesn't fit my workflow. So the work email I much prefer to do on Outlook on the Outlook client. So there's some ways around it. There's some things I think I can do. Appreciate that. I appreciate it, john. And we do have it. I just don't use it.

David Jackson  
Yeah, I haven't used outlook and forever. It's like every now and then I will. Here's the thing. Do you know, is there a way to set Gmail as your default email thing, because I hate the fact when I click somebody's email, it launches, Windows. Yeah, windows,

Jim Collison  
go to search and type in default applications.

David Jackson  
Because that drives me nuts.

Jim Collison  
Say, I think there'll be an email, and then you can choose what you want it to do, and set it there.

David Jackson  
Yeah, cuz it's one of those wherever, like, it's, it's like, if I click on a link, in Gmail, it will use Gmail. But if it's something else, it's like, and here comes, you know, Hotmail, my, my Microsoft, whatever is on this thing. And it's like, ah, and then you got to it's again, it's not the end of the world, you copy paste, and you go back into Gmail, and you're good to go. But text Blaze, never heard of it. Pretty probably does the same thing. But it, that was a text expander text expander. And I have to put my mouse over to remember what that backblaze are probably two products in Evernote, trying to get anything else I use on a daily basis. in Gmail, obviously, my Gmail, I, anybody else, just tired of email, I'm still getting like Black Friday sales. And I'm like, we're in the Christmas kids like, and I don't know, who got somehow my my David School of podcasting is on every list. And I keep marking these things now as spam and they just keep coming. And I'm like, I'm gonna put a What do you call those little pieces of skin. If I go to my email, probably got one time you how to remove it. I get those every day. And I'm just going to start making filters that say if it says this, wiping off the planet. And this one to Prince Harry got all his hair back. I get that multiple times a day. And I just like I don't really, I mean,

Jim Collison  
you know, they send them from weird mail clients all the time. So you block wine and a pop up somewhere. Yeah,

David Jackson  
um, the tomorrow it's over. Since I'm in my email, I might as well read when I'm trying. Okay, here we go. Um, there's anything good at Sweetwater?

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Mm hmm. Not really,

David Jackson  
when I look at it. Drum stands, guitars. They do have a lot. They even have plugins over there. I didn't know that the more I kind of start to play with them. skin tags, thank you. Yes, I get emails about skin tag removers. And I was like, thanks, but you know, and I'm just like, I can't get them to. I know. Jason Bryan has he used something that gets you unsubscribed and you know, I have a junk email that I use when I'm signing up for something and I'm like, Oh, I bet I'm gonna get a lot of spam for that and that that email is just ridiculous. So in login, I'm like, I'm tend to just go everything in the inbox, delete, just forget it. I'm done. If I need a password, I'll have a reset or whatever it is, but it's just it's it's tons of just junk. It's

Jim Collison  
funny people's different tolerance levels for some things that other for some people. It's like oh, You can tolerate this and others like yeah, it's it's not a big deal. Yeah,

David Jackson  
I'm glad you brought that up. You know what I did yesterday? Because through I think tomorrow if you go on YouTube, whatever it is premium, they're what they're calling it. Premium. Yeah. Yeah. I had just had enough of the ads. Yeah. Like it was just like, and I had one where it was an ad and you skip the ad and like three ads, I'd like skip through. And I think the last one I couldn't skip and it was long and I was like, Okay, how much is this? It's like, 12 $14 a month, something like that. And I just went, you know what, I'm, this is the the annoyance factor. You've annoyed me enough. extortion?

Jim Collison  
Yeah, they, they created product, got you hooked on it, then began to fill it with ads until you absolutely couldn't stand it anymore. And then said, Hey, but for $13 a month? We'll take care of that. I mean, a little bit, uh, I don't know, it's like, the mafia work, Steve, I just don't know, you know, like, Hey, I mean, you can live you can do business in this neighborhood, you'll be a lot safer if you just pay us on a regular basis.

David Jackson  
Yeah, it just really was getting out of control, like every, and then the mid roll. Now they're doing mid rolls, so you'd be watching a really cool video, and all of a sudden, yeah.

Jim Collison  
And I was just like, okay, terrible, whatever it takes, or using brave to, because brave will block all that. But then it started creating for the brave browser. So chromium based browser that kind of emphasizes security, and they block a whole bunch of stuff and, and pretty good browser, but it then, like it started causing some stability problems on my computer. And I was like, you know, it was like turning on and off, and weird things were happening. And I was just like, so if you don't want to pay the extortion on YouTube, you can go to brave br a V just like it sounds, you can go to brave. There, you're gonna see a weird cryptocurrency thing, they've got this weird program that you can for searching, you can gain crypto, just ignore that. That's, that's the weirdest thing about that just kind of leave it off. But you can use brave to do that. But Dave, I, I installed a new Google mini device. And it came with, I don't know, three weeks of free premium or something like that. And so I didn't even intend to install it. But they're like, yes, I'm gonna have to watch this. So I don't get charged. So yeah, so I've been trying premium too. And yeah, it is a much better experience. I just don't know if I'm gonna pay the 13 bucks to permanently block it, you know, kind of like, I don't know, catch is such a,

David Jackson  
I just know, it's one of those things where, like, the first couple videos, it was like, Wow, there, there really are no ads. Yes. Like, that's cool. And what's going to be interesting is that's going to become the norm. And so if I ever turn that off, it's gonna seem so obnoxious that you like, oh, there are,

Jim Collison  
there are plugins, chime mentions. Yeah, like, you could put plugins in Chrome in your Chrome browser. That'll block it, too. There's there's ways around.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Yeah. Um,

Jim Collison  
and providers when you do that, I just mean, full transparency, like, right? People live on youtube, if you're blocking their ads, you're hurting them.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Right? Just um,

David Jackson  
the other thing did you hear this is not podcast related. But it's interesting, because it's media Did you hear were Warner Brothers is now releasing major movies. They're going to do this for a year on HBO, Max. And, and then a month after that, it'll be in theaters, but it's coming. I think it's coming to HBO max for a month, and theaters at the same time. And then after a month, it'll only be available in theaters. And I was like, and they're gonna do that for a year. So that'll be interesting.

Jim Collison  
Or Wonder Woman 1984 is launching that way

David Jackson  
on Christmas. Yeah.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
Yeah.

Jim Collison  
So I think that's going to be the way like this is going to force them into that. And I think the theaters will will then once we get theaters back, they'll have to do some things to get people to come again. You know, so I man, I think that's three years worth of damage, I think it's gonna take three years for, for mercy

David Jackson  
on that, before it begins, it'd be one thing to go with safe, and they're gonna have almost like a new product, where you have the early adopters that come in, and then when the ceiling you see that the early adopters didn't die, you're like, Okay, maybe it's safe, and you start going back in then you finally feel a little more comfortable with that, you know, so it's going to be different I mean, especially now that I'm not in an apartment, and I can actually crank my I don't have surround sound but I've got pretty cool sound in my living room. And it was like do a really neat because I noticed now I left the TV on and the subwoofer is a little like it will actually, you know, jog your feelings at times. And I'm here way back. I mean, it's way at the front of the house, and I'm still hearing on the commercials and I'm like, ah, somebody forgot to turn off the TV. So that'll be interesting to see. Um,

Jim Collison  
I'm down on tickets, like, go into this had gotten ridiculous, right? You know, we were paying $15 a ticket. Yeah,

David Jackson  
I used to Dave I just cancelled that service. Dave says, Do you remember when Netflix used to send you DVDs? And I was like, yeah, cuz they had really that much. It's weird that a better selection in DVDs. And they did streaming was weird. They had a lot of cool documentaries, a lot of musical documentaries that weren't

Bangs Naughty Bits 
always thing.

David Jackson  
And I was like, Huh, but um, yeah, that's my whole thing, though. It's weird. Because if I go to the movie, and I pay, I think a movie ticket was like, 13 bucks. I have a problem now paying 20. Because I understand that when I go to the movies, and I pay 13 for a ticket, and then $12, if not 14 for popcorn. So I'm gonna blow 30 bucks. So technically, it's cheaper. I'm like, Yeah, but the ticket for the movie is was 13. Like I would pay. It's weird, because we'll pay five bucks for a Starbucks. But I'm like, if they would back that movie price down to 15. I'd be reading them like nobody's but 20 bucks. I'm kind of like, Hey, I think you're gouging me their kids. So

Jim Collison  
the best thing that ever happened to me was pandemic in some regards. I stopped going to movies, I stopped drinking $5 coffee, I stopped driving my car every day to work. I stopped buying lunch at work. Like, you know, we had a cafeteria. And I mean, I just kind of think of that. And then, and then all my utilities have gone down, which is kind of weird. Electricity went up a little bit. But gas went down. My water bill went down some of those kinds of things. And so I was like, wow, this is a pretty good deal. My auto insurance went down. I just got my auto insurance bill. And then there I have USDA and they, they're crediting now because we're driving less. And so they're like, yeah, it's it's less for you. Congratulations. So it's like 15 bucks.

David Jackson  
They've done a really good job with their branding, because as soon as you said USDA, in my head, I heard you

Bangs Naughty Bits 
as a they just

David Jackson  
their audio branding. A bank says his his local mall theater is closed for good. Me the mall is closed for good. It's like,

Jim Collison  
yeah, I am, I did buy some office chairs from Office Depot, which is officemax, too. And I ordered those last night at eight, nine, maybe. And I got an email this morning right before the show. They're ready. So they have they have like a drive up, touch lists. I'm going in, they'll scan the thing and then I'll load them in the back to the Subaru and we'll be done. So I'm gonna pick those up right after the show.

David Jackson  
The thing I was trying to find today, or last night when I was out shopping, I'm an Amazon gift card. I kind of get why you can't find one at Walmart. But I went to a grocery store that has a ton of gift cards and I cannot find an Amazon gift card because that's my brother. He's like yeah, just give me an amazon giftcard so I had to order one and it's probably not gonna get here before he goes to Florida so I mean I know I did a brief overview review of Dave Jays book especially the links for the resources What am I missing here somewhere

Jim Collison  
I might have misspoken my water bill may not have gone down I may have actually gone. Yeah. So that I think now that I'm thinking about it, I watered the lawn a lot this summer. So yeah,

Bangs Naughty Bits 
actually drive

David Jackson  
ins. We used to have more drive ins in Akron and there's one left. And that one actually did pretty good because you could go to a drive in, bring your own popcorn. When you when you hear the phrase driving, what's the first thing that pops in your head, Jim?

Jim Collison  
Oh, hiding in the trunk. That's it.

David Jackson  
I thought of hiding in the trunk. And Mad Dog 2020 I got very sick one night drinking Mad Dog 2020 when I was young,

Jim Collison  
I would have been buddies. JACK for me. I went to a concert with a friend and he got all jacking beer, drinking jack and coke and he lost it all. And it wasn't even me. I didn't even drink any of it. But that that's the thing. We had a capital drive in theaters when I growing up in the Bay Area. I lived in San Jose and going out to the freeway, there was a capital drive in theaters right on the corner. And as a kid, some of my fondest memories are when we would go my parents would take us out to we'd you know do dinner at somebody else's house and we'd be driving home and we'd go by the theaters and you could see the movies movie. Yeah. on the freeway. And and then, you know, on the back of the signs was what was you know, the times and what was playing

David Jackson  
And I just remember as a kid thinking how cool that you could see a part of these movies? Oh, we would we we had one right near my house, like if you wanted to walk 20 minutes, and there was like trees so that you couldn't see the movies. But if you're on your foot, you know, you could drive through and I wouldn't climb into it. But you could hear the movie if you were quiet because everybody had the, that's back when you had the thing. And they they everybody had their windows down. And then you put the speaker on that and you could actually hear the movie. And so the whole thing we'd be hiding in the bushes, watching a movie like cars coming like is it the cops in your like, the whole time you felt like you're like America's Most Wanted for watching a free movie, like they're gonna throw throwing in the slammer? That kid watching stealing free movies? Yeah. So it's like, it's amazing how many stupid things you do when you're young. Because I went from like, like, I didn't even start having any alcohol. Till way, I was way late to the game. And then I did it for like two years. And like, like, let's just do this. And I just kind of woke up one day went, let's see, I'm broke. I have the skids. And I have a headache. And I'm like, and they keep telling me this is fun. And I just went, I think I'm done. I'm done. That's good. You know, I'll have a beer every now and then. But I'm not the days of like, let's go get hammered. Do like plus when you're home like it takes you a week now to recover probably

Jim Collison  
on the way out. My favorite my most favorite podcast movement, memory with you? Yeah, what we had gone. It was one of those nights where they were having the parties, you know, going on, we had gone out, you've gotten stuck. And you were like, you're like 20 minutes behind us at every stop. So like you're trying to catch up to us. But by the time you place we'd move in. So you finally caught up to us in the bar at this was in Orlando and and he caught us up to the bar. And I was we were hanging out with Todd. And I think he was I think blueberry was buying. I think that's what was happening. And so I'd had a few and I was feeling pretty good. And I and I said Dave, we're having a great time. And you looked at me You look me straight in the eye. You're like, apparently so and so much anguish must have said I'm hammered. First of all, you're you're pissed that it took us so long to find us because we had you know, we kept moving around a little frustrated. And then you kind of came into the party and nobody likes to be the sober guy that comes into a party, especially that late, you know, cuz everybody is just waited. So that's my favorite Dave Jackson, apparently.

David Jackson  
Well, I remember to I was probably had enough of the loud music, you know. And you just because I remember that I think the place we're at, they had a bar.

Jim Collison  
And then you had the sitting area where we met Leo. And then sometimes you would even go out further into like this just empty because you're like, I need to get someplace where I can hear myself think we moved away. This was all the way back at the hotel. So it was probably 30 I think or so 1130 close to midnight, you finally kind of found us in there. And that bar was loud. Like it was packed and it was just loud in there. You know you you're just not good for your voice at all. And in weeks to recover from podcasts. But just you were so mad. You just looked at me like apparently. Wow, you were you were you are pretty frustrated in and I was I had had a few so it was I didn't

Bangs Naughty Bits 
finally mellow out hopefully,

Jim Collison  
you were fine. No, it's just one of those. It's like when you you know nobody Nope, sober person likes to come to a party where everybody's drinking. And it's the worst thing ever. Right? You know, you're like, Oh, these people are just stupid. Everybody thinks we're having the best time in the world. And you're like, this is so dumb. So well.

David Jackson  
Nothing more fun than being married to an alcoholic for 10 years. So there might have been triggered as well. You never know. So we got some

Jim Collison  
of the we've had some of those pandemic moments where we're a few of us have enjoyed it. One person hasn't. And so we're goofy and that one person's like you guys are so

Bangs Naughty Bits 
ever. Yeah, we got it. Oh, yeah.

David Jackson  
There you go. Craig has he says the trick is you stay in the same place and let the drinks come to you. There you go.

Jim Collison  
That was that was a fun. That was kind of a fun evening meeting Leo. And then we kind of I kind of moved around and hung out with a couple different names. Todd was fun to hang out with.

David Jackson  
That is always the best. Because especially if he's had a few you know, he's, he's

Jim Collison  
Yeah, you think conspiracy things. The things he says you know, even when he's sober. It all it all comes out. Like it's always you know, you know, Todd he always says I can't say anything. I know that. I probably shouldn't say this.

David Jackson  
Yeah. Then you like oh, whatever's next is gonna be the best.

Jim Collison  
I hope he doesn't listen this part

David Jackson  
Don't think he's an awesome supporter. So Oh good.

Bangs Naughty Bits 
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