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What if a single piece of tech could revolutionize your entire podcasting setup? Join us for a lively Saturday morning chat where we kick things off discussing the brand-new Rodecaster video switcher, a game-changer priced at $1,200. Jim tricked some people at his job using eleven lab voices. We also talk listen notes, and running out of steam, and more.

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Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Greetings

01:07 - Discussing the New Roadcaster Video

02:32 - Podcast Branding and Sponsorships

05:56 - AI in Podcasting: Then and Now

08:18 - Listener's Podcast Journey and Monetization

10:46 - Challenges and Realities of Podcasting

15:22 - AI Tools and Their Evolution

21:28 - Captivate's New AI Features

24:38 - AI's Role in Content Creation

43:09 - Managing Multiple Podcasts and Platforms

44:46 - Issues with Spreaker and Monetization

47:28 - Podcast Landing Pages and Customization

48:30 - The Shift to Ad Networks and Better Stats

49:19 - Challenges with Podcast Platforms

50:19 - Listener Preferences: Audio vs. Video

50:39 - Advice for New Podcasters

54:36 - The Debate on Listen Notes Rankings

01:05:28 - Microphone Recommendations for Roving Reporters

01:11:43 - International Podcast Day Reflections

01:14:09 - Thank You Awesome Supporters!

01:17:31 - Movie Talk and Entertainment

01:22:34 - Podcast Chapters and Features

01:25:37 - Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts

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Ask the Podcast Coach for September 28th 2024.

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Let's get ready to podcast.

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There it is, it's that music.

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That means it's Saturday morning.

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It's time for Ask the Podcast Coach, where you get your podcast questions answered live.

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I'm Dave Jackson from theschoolofpodcastingcom, and joining me right over there is the one and only Jim Cullison from.

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I was looking for the balloons, like no balloons, when you no, I turned the reaction.

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Oh, from the average guy, happy Saturday morning to you.

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Always good to be back on a crispy, fall-like morning here, and fall is on its way.

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Always good to be on.

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Ask the Podcaster.

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Yeah, Gary says I'm probably playing with the new Rodecaster video.

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Yeah, because I got $1,200 in the couch cushions just sitting there doing nothing.

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That's not a bad price for that.

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I mean for what it can do, Like it used to take a lot of equipment.

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You know the audio side of things makes sense.

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That's a little cheaper.

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As soon as you introduce video switching it used to be all right $10,000 or $50,000 or whatever.

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So $1,200, I mean that's cheaper than the hot water heater I just put in.

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Yeah, oh man, that hurts.

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Yeah Well, todd Cochran had a TriCaster and so when he saw it he was like, oh, I'm pulling it.

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Like he pulled the trigger immediately and he said you know, he used to have to lug around this computer and all this.

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It was just, you know, it was great technology for back in the day.

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But Rode came out and I know people that are really into video and they're like oh no, that's really cool.

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Like I'm going to get one because they're you know, they need all that stuff and I'll just be interesting because I know you can make scenes.

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Does that mean I could get rid of Ecamm?

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And I was like interesting, because you'd still have to stream to YouTube, right.

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So I was just like but I don't know.

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To me, I'm a big Ecamm fan, so I don't know.

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But I was just when it came out.

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It's 1200 bucks, holy cow.

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There's a lot of things that came out.

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So we should get comfy and, you know, wet our beak by getting a fun cup of hot Java there.

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There we go, thank you.

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Or the Stream Deck, and now they have a rack-mounted one that came out.

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So always fun, although we will probably hear it.

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Today I have a line conditioner you know battery backup, surge protector thing and every now and then it's not happy, so we will probably hear this high-pitched eee when it goes off Like something's.

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It's still plugged into the wall and I haven't lost power, it's just that thing's going bad and I don't know what's happening, but for some reason.

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How old is it?

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Five years maybe.

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Is it UPS, yeah, and you're running your power?

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Okay, it's UPS, yeah, so it's just the batteries and it's one of the things where, instead of buying a battery, which would be much less, I just buy a new box with a battery in it and you have to charge it and that whole whole nine yards.

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But what's driving me nuts is there's enough.

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Something's happening to where, all of a sudden, one of my elgato lights will go.

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They'll lose its.

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I guess what is?

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It goes off my wi-fi, so I'll hit my button on my stream deck and, all of a sudden, one light will stay on, and one light when I was like, and all you do is you go up to the light and you flick it over and reconnects to your wifi.

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But it's just such a pain in the butt when I'm like you know, oh my gosh, I have to get out of my chair to turn off the light, holy cow.

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But it's kind of ridiculous it is, and last week we were playing with AI stuff and we have a great example of what AI used to be and what AI is now, and so I went over and I found a question on the bad.

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Well, I don't know if it's bad news, but this person I saw it and I was like, oh, that's a good question.

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It's like a minute, maybe a minute and a half clip, and I even cut out some of it, but here's what old AI used to sound like.

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This is from a website called Revoicer that I got on an AppSumo deal and so let's do a little bit of this.

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I released my first episode in February of this year, 2024.

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And by any objective metric, the podcast audio platforms and video in YouTube is going very well.

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All right, not horrible, but pretty obvious, at least to me.

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Now I'm sitting here listening.

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Now I'm going to let this one go through, but this is from 11 labs.

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I released my first episode in February of this year, 2024.

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And by any objective metric, the podcast audio platforms and video and YouTube is going very well.

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It's been released every week since and my goal was to do 50 episodes and then decide if I should keep going or not.

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Okay, I'm gonna.

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I'm praying.

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I have this button set up right.

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So his goal was to do 50 episodes and then decide.

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All right, so he's done 50 episodes.

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My podcast is in the finance space and the growth has been gradual over time.

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Youtube channel is now at about 1340 subscribers, monetized about a month ago and earned just over 100 bucks so far, and the traditional podcast version is growing in chunks.

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It started out very slow for months and then had a big jump and then after a few months, another jump, etc.

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Zencaster indicates that I had about 1052 listens, downloads last Friday and today looks like it may reach that number again.

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In general, I'm a retired 46-year-old and wanted to do this podcast just because I wanted to.

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The feedback received has been postive, along with a troll or two along the way, which is how you know you've made it.

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And, by the way, Mark mentioned this, if people type it wrong, postive, of course was positive.

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Yeah, yeah, and nobody says et cetera when they're talking.

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That's a written kind of annotation.

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Right, that's true.

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When you're writing, you would say et cetera.

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Nobody ever says et cetera.

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He's almost to the question.

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I do all my own planning and editing and this is a podcast where I have guests, no solo episodes yet.

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Question as you approached your one-year mark, how were you thinking about continuing or not continuing?

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If you did continue, what did you do to shake things up a bit?

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What seemed to work and what didn't?

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I don't need the money, but I do understand that monetizing podcasts is a way to confirm that what you are doing holds value.

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If you pursued monetization, is there a recommended way forward?

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Have you ever shopped your podcast to a podcast network?

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How does that work?

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Do you go to them or do they come to you, etc?

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This is my first post in this group, other than responding to others' questions.

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Such concerns just looking for a little motivation to continue or to stop.

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Thank you all and I wish you all the best in your podcasting endeavors.

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There you go.

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Thank you, ai.

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I believe that was Chris from Eleven Labs.

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But the thing I thought was interesting is this is a person that started off for a what-the.

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Thank you, ai.

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I believe that was Chris from Eleven Labs.

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But the thing I thought was interesting is this is a person that started off for a what the heck kind of reason.

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You know what?

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I want to try a podcast, so he did.

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I'll do 50 and see what happens.

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And what I thought was interesting is he's you know whatever it was over a thousand downloads in one day.

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That's pretty good.

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He's monetized on YouTube, okay, and I love the line about when you monetize, it somehow validates your efforts, and I was like that's a different way of thinking.

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Yeah, it's a good measure.

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Right, it's a good measure.

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It's hard to do.

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And if it's?

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happening.

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You're providing value.

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Yeah, made a hundred bucks in a month and I was like, okay, that's kind of hard to do on YouTube.

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Made $100 in a month and I was like, okay, that's kind of hard to do on YouTube.

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So I just thought it was interesting.

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But I love that was the thing that got me like I think a lot of podcasters need to validate, like why I'm doing this, is it worth it?

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And they're using external things We'll talk about Chartable later.

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But I said, well, you need to go back and look at your why, because if you don't get your why, you burn out.

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That's pretty universal and I don't know I just what would you say to this?

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Because he's well, should I keep going or not?

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And I'm always well.

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Are you having fun?

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Yes, Then keep doing it.

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Are you having fun?

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No, it's kind of a pain in the butt.

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Then quit doing it.

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Life's too short to do things that are a pain in the butt.

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What are your thoughts?

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Well, I think sometimes when we say this phrase of I just wanted to try it out kind of thing, you know, I think sometimes that's really just well, if I fail I'm just going to say I didn't want to do it anyways, it gives you an easy out kind in those scenarios.

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I mean, I think we all want to be successful, everybody wants.

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If you're starting this, I think you're thinking, hey, I want to jump in, I want to be successful, whatever that success is, it's a little soul-crushing when you go for a year and I mean your numbers are OK we talked about this a little bit last week You're they're never as good as you think they're going to be right.

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You think 11, you're going to get 9.

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Or you think 11, you're going to get 5.

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It's a tough row to hoe and for most people it's just a grinded-out kind of work that is difficult at best.

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I'm just going to say it.

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You get in the first year, you get, you know, those first couple months, you get some adrenaline and so it's new and it's kind of cool.

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When you hit that one-year mark, some of that, the cool factor of it being new, is kind of worn off and it's just work at that point, and it's.

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I think it's really common for a lot of folks to think, you know, at this year mark, oh, do I need to keep doing this?

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You know what's the value in it?

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No-transcript this if you're going to do this long-term, you got to do it because you want to do it, not for the necessarily for the feedback, right, and that's for a lot of people that is really super hard, right?

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So I just think you've got to.

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You know, listen, your mileage might vary.

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You do what you do, you, and do it the way you want to do it.

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I just think it gets harder after the first year and you got to really you got to kind of want to be in the space doing it, because it's very few of us are going to be wildly popular, some of us are going to be mildly popular, some of us are just going to be us Right.

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Yeah, we have to be okay, be mildly popular.

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Some of us are just gonna be right.

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Yeah, if you're okay with that, rich brings up a good point.

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He retired at 46, you know, that's in there, and so maybe he's just bored, maybe that's why he did it and he did it and he's kind of like I'm kind of you know, I've got the t-shirt, I'm done, you know could be.

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Uh, he mentioned podcast.

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Networks do not help small shows get big, they help big shows get bigger.

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That's from Make Noise.

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Oh, I forget the guy.

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I'm horrible with names lately.

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I don't know what's going on with my brain, but that's a great book and he talks about it.

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It's a guy from NPR and I was like that's a great line, because that's really it.

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And if you want to be on a network we've talked about that Contact somebody who's on the network, ask them about before and after questions.

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Most of the time, what I see from networks is you get access to other people on the network.

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Like I remember somebody joined well, jordan Harbinger's on Podcast One and so he got access to Adam Carolla and some of the other celebrities that were on that channel.

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The guys from SmartLless just joined Sirius, so what did they get to do?

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They got to interview Howard Stern.

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That doesn't happen very often.

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A lot of times a network, you know, yes, it's a little cross promotion, which is good, and, for the record, you don't need an official network to do that.

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Find other shows like yours and just come up with a real basic agreement that every week, you know, okay, this week we're going to, you know, everybody's going to promote Snap, and then next week we're going to promote Crackle, and the week after that we're going to, you know, promote Pop.

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You know, and then maybe we'll do one for the Lost.

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Have you ever heard about the Lost Crispy Brother Roy?

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Oh man, it was one of my favorite David Letterman jokes was there was snap, crackle pop and Roy was the lost crispy brother because he developed some sort of drug problem and they had to kick him out.

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And when it's 12, 30 at night and you're tired, that is hilarious.

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Um, yeah, but Randy said did they get Howard out of his basement?

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Actually, I think they went to his house or something.

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They went to a bar in the Hamptons.

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So that's where Howard lives when he's in New York.

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I know he has a house somewhere in Florida and shout out to everyone in Florida.

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Hope you're doing okay and you didn't wash away in that whole nine yards Tennessee right as it's making its way up.

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Yeah, but I just thought it was interesting because ai voice two years ago was I released my first episode in february of this year and then this one.

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I released my first episode in february of this year yeah, it just sounds just a little more, you know this week.

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So last week I mentioned, I did some voice work on 11 Labs.

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And those.

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Some of that work made it into a podcast intro that will go live on Monday, and so I played it for my boss.

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I was in a meeting Tuesday and I said, hey, I want to.

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I've been messing around with AI voices.

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I want to see if you could tell.

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And so I said One of these is AI and the other is me.

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And so I played both and she was like, ooh, I don't know, I'm going to guess now it's 50%, you're, you know the chances of her getting it right, or 50, 50,.

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He's right, she did get it right and she said for a few reasons.

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But she was like, and then I said, what if I told you those were both AI?

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And I, just, I waited for a second.

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You could see the look on her face.

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Oh my God.

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I did that same technique to one of our internal guys who has been working with a lot of the LLM, ai stuff, large language models.

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I did that same trick where I played it and he said, oh, it's the first one.

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And I said, what if I told you it was both?

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And I just stared at him like very seriously and you could see the panic come over his face.

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They were guessing, they couldn't tell, and so we're gonna, we're gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.

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On Monday I have intros going.

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Now it's a 40-second intro, but I've got a test going out publicly to see you know, and it's going to go to a couple thousand people and we'll see if anybody says, oh, that was an.

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You know, stop using AI.

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I don't think you can tell.

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It's kind of crazy how good.

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There's a few spots where, if you're really listening, I just don't think most people really listen.

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Yeah, yeah, we're going that stuff's in production and on its way out.

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It'll be kind of fun to get some feedback on it to see, and it doesn't hurt, it's a pre.

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We had Simon Sinek on our podcast this week.

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And of course that's a big, that's a big name right.

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Yeah, Big name right, so it'll help to be.

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This is this intro, is ahead of that, that interview that we did with them.

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So I didn't get, I didn't meet them, I didn't get a chance, I didn't do the interview.

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Our CEO did, but Still cool.

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Yeah, no, it's, it's very cool.

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So it'll be interesting to see how those goes on.

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11 Labs I think I saw Stephanie say she got in there and it's a little confusing it.

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They're, they're working on that interface.

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You can definitely tell that interface was designed by developers.

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Oh yeah, right, it's a little clunky, it's a little.

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There's stuff everywhere.

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It's hard to differentiate the work that you do when you have it do something.

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The whole credit system in 11 Labs is weird.

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You buy credits and then jobs cost certain credits, yeah, and they don't.

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It's like this value for value Bitcoin thing, where it's like a Satoshi and you're like what does that even mean?

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Like what's the?

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so they've got this credit system going on.

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I bought the $5 plan and then I immediately bought the $10 plan and they gave me a rollover credits.

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They are changing things on 11 labs weekly so like I went in there, it was text to speech to speech.

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Now it's text to speech and voice impersonator or something.

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Voice changer yeah, Voice changer.

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Yeah, yeah, and so that literally just changed.

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There was no like, hey, release notes, we're doing some things.

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So 11 Labs is.

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If you're going to get into this and you're going to work with 11 Labs, just be ready for a pretty constant change.

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And, dave, I would imagine they'll start cleaning up their UI once they figure out all the things they want to do.

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I'm sure they're getting feedback from people like Guys, I can't find anything, I can't separate anything on here.

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I went in to go play some clips and I'm like, okay, these clips are listed, but I have no idea how or when or what they were that Right, so it's going to need a little work.

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Well, I just did a little of me, so let's see what this sounds Now.

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I well here, let me just hit play.

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This is 11.

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Hey.

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Jim, this is Dave, and I based this on just a Just a little bit of text.

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I need to upload more audio to train this, so that's supposed to be yeah.

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That actually sounds like your Ask the Pod or your your what's her name.

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School of Podcasting.

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School of Podcasting.

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It's just right in front of me on the thing there and I could not remember it.

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Yeah, that sounds like your School of Podcasting voice.

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Did you use School?

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of Podcasting?

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Probably, yeah, okay, yeah.

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Did you use school?

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Probably, yeah, okay, yeah, cause it's.

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What do we have under settings here?

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Can I stability, similarities, style, exaggeration?

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Okay, there's nothing in here about pace, cause that's a little.

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I'm Mike, I'm not breathing when I'm doing this.

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You know if you, if I hit this again.

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Hey, jim, this is Dave, and I based this on just a little bit of text.

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I need to upload more audio to train this.

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Yeah, so that's not bad.

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It's not bad.

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No, it's kind of spooky.

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We had mentioned networks, or says people think they're on easy street when they get on a network.

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There are a lot of people that leave after they experience it.

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Yeah, I've seen, and that's where and Danny brings us up to networks bring their own issues.

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Podcasters need to know the terms, exactly what's expected of them, what they'll get in return, and be sure they want to be part of that specific setup.

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And the other thing you have to realize who owns the stuff that you create when you're on the network, because there have been people that have, you know, accidentally signed away their show.

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There was two females that did a show.

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They joined a network and apparently they're like I'm on a network, so they turned into divas and they're like yeah, we don't want to work with you anymore.

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And kicked them off their own show.

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But they didn't realize that the network owned the show now and it was bad.

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And it was like, oh yeah, don't do that.

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A, don't be a diva.

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And B, get somebody to read that contract before you sign it, because it could get a little tricky.

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But yeah, ai is a lot of fun.

00:21:12.261 --> 00:21:26.761
Oh, speaking of AI, captivate rolled out what's coming out Monday, so two days from today, they added AI to their system and the whole time I'm watching the presentation and I'm like, all right, where's the Captivate thing?

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Because Captivate always they're like Apple.

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In some cases they were the first people to have the whole guest registration and add it to the episode, kind of thing.

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But a lot of times they'll take somebody.

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Somebody else came up with an idea and then they'll make it better.

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They did.

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They were the first to do dynamic show notes, which I thought was a great idea.

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The thing that killed me I was in a webinar for Libsyn and we had snippets and I displayed snippets and I said, hey, somebody said, oh, those are cool, are those dynamic?

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And so, after the webinar was over, I went to our development team and I go, hey, did you guys hear that suggestion?

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That would be amazing if those are dynamic.

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And they're like, yeah, we're not going to do that.

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At least at this point they weren't.

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And literally four weeks later Captivate came out with it.

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I was like, see, I told you, but their AI tool is it does you know?

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I don't want to say what everybody else does, but it gives you titles, but it gives you multiple titles.

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It writes you a description, but it gives you multiple descriptions.

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And I was like, all right, pretty cool, buzzsprout does that with their co-host thing.

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But the one that I was like, ah, there's the captivate I know and love is you go in to your podcast settings and you basically say, give me some suggestions for actually you go into episode planning and you say give me some suggestions for actually you go into episode planning and you say, give me some ideas for future episodes.

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And what it does is it looks at your stats to see what's working, looks at the episode titles and goes, what about this?

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And that in itself is cool, but the one that blew me away was it said you should do a show about podcast advertising, the state of advertising.

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And then it suggested guests.

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One was James Cridlin and I was like, yeah, that's a good one.

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And then the other one was Heather Osgood, who works in that space.

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Then it said I should do a show about branding.

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And it suggested Jared Easley and Jessica Kufferman and I was like that's when I was like whoa, that's pretty cool.

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And Jessica Kufferman, and I was like that's when I was like whoa, that's pretty cool.

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And then I could easily take that idea, which is something else that it's the only one I know that does.

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This Captivate has a really cool thing where, when I did the Akron Ohio podcast, I would go in and find stories and I could they have a little extension.

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You put into Chrome and I'm like, oh, hey, remember this link for an episode and I'd have four or five of those and then I'd go do the episode and all the research links.

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I could go, yeah, add to this episode instant show notes.

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I was like, oh, so cool, this episode idea now, in addition to all the stuff that was already there is now you can have it, suggest episodes and guests.

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And the guest part was the part that I was like wait, what?

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And I was as I'm clicking it right, I'm thinking, okay, who's it going to suggest as a guest?

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Right, this is going to you know, somewhere along the line I'm waiting for the shoe to drop.

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And no, I was like no, those are really good guests.

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So it's, you know, ai again pretty cool.

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Yes, danny here says looking at the trends online too, to give you ideas based on trending topics.

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See, I didn't even know that.

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That's cool.

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And then you can train it.

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You go in and you can say you know I am informal or I'm super formal.

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The one I loved is a matter of I set mine like hard sarcastic, like Dave is sarcastic, write me as sarcastic.

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And then I gave it five blog posts that I had done to train itself, cause I can't wait to do the school of podcasting this week, cause the school of podcasting is on Captivate, cause just to see what it's going to do.

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And then the thing I should point this out, cause I got this somewhat wrong there are because it will do the transcript for you.

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Now it's a dollar an hour.

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So if that's too much for you, then go get a paper route, come on now, a dollar an hour is really cheap for transcripts.

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Get a paper route.

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Is that what you just said?

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That's awesome.

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So, but if you let Captivate do the transcript, it will do all this chocolatey goodness.

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It also, by the way and I've done this if you are doing any kind of dynamic content and you forget to put in, we'll do this right after this.

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You forget to do that and leave a couple milliseconds for a slot.

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It'll go and find those and then tell you why it's.

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Hey, you transitioned from talking about networks to AI here.

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This might be a good spot for an ad, so that I thought was cool.

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And then it's all up to you.

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I can say, oh yes, add those chapters to my file.

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It just it's really pretty cool.

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I was impressed.

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And it's only a buck an hour, which means it's going to add I don't know another four bucks to my bill if that.

00:26:05.267 --> 00:26:08.969
And just realize, if you're like hey, does your tool do AI?

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Ai is not cheap behind the scenes, so I knew they weren't going to be able to keep the same price because some people are going to go crazy with it and that's just phase one Like it can't do what I do in Cast Magic, where I'm like hey, let me ask my now transcript and whatever you want to call this thing, like where are my URLs or what are the companies that I named in this episode.

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So it doesn't do that yet.

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But again, this is just phase one.

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Yeah, danny says yeah, we only charge for the transcription.

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All the other AI tools are included.

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It's a buck an hour for the transcript.

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So the thing where I did the suggest some episode ideas.

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That's part of it is the transcript, and the part that I got wrong was I heard Mark say you can't upload a transcript to have it do all the chocolatey goodness.

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That's the part I missed.

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I heard you can't upload a transcript and I thought they took the ability to upload your own transcript away.

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They did not.

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That's still there.

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But you can't upload a crappy transcript from Bill's house of transcripts and then have it do all the hey recommended chapters and titles and all that.

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They have to do that.

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But then again it's a buck.

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Come on, people.

00:27:20.602 --> 00:27:25.252
So I'm really looking forward to doing the next episode of the School of Podcasting, so it'll be fun.

00:27:25.252 --> 00:27:30.250
And then Steph says see where the chat room's doing its own show.

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My topic is an artist and a filmmaker.

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Will it give it topics on that?

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I want more solo topics.

00:27:35.704 --> 00:27:37.170
Yep, that's another one.

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Again, you could go into ChatGPT, like I was so tempted this morning to go into Chat GPT and ask it what are the top 10 microphones for podcasting?

00:27:46.801 --> 00:27:48.906
Just to see where the blue yeti would come up.

00:27:48.906 --> 00:28:01.964
Because again it's you know, it's chat GPT or perplexity, I think, is the other one that gives you examples, like it'll quote its sources so you can see who who recommended the blue yeti.

00:28:01.964 --> 00:28:04.509
So that'll be fun to do with that.

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But the thing you have to be careful with is with Google Notebook, and Danny actually has an episode.

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He created a podcast and I'm just calling them Kyle and Cheryl, these two voices where they're like strap in.

00:28:18.821 --> 00:28:20.067
We're going to do a deep dive.

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What's interesting about that?

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Is one of Adam Curry's.

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Did I talk about this last week?

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I can't, I've.

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What's interesting about that is one of Adam Curry's.

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Did I talk about this last week?

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I can't.

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I've talked about this so many times, but here's what happened.

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Stay with me.

00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:39.212
You've got Adam Curry show no agenda and they're talking about the exploding walkie talkies and how it all happened on the same day and yada, yada, yada, all right.

00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:47.545
So somebody runs it through Google notebook and Kyle and Cher are like wait till you hear about this explosive episode Okay, strap in everybody.

00:28:47.545 --> 00:28:57.940
And they kind of mentioned that there were exploding walkie talkies Not so much that it all happened the same day, but electronic devices are exploding.

00:28:57.940 --> 00:29:04.686
So then somebody took the transcript of that show, so we had the original being Adam Curry.

00:29:04.686 --> 00:29:14.757
Now we've got a transcript of Adam's show and now we're going to take the transcript of the transcript and run it back through Google notebook.

00:29:14.757 --> 00:29:25.886
So we've now gone through Google notebook once, took the output of that and run it back through Google notebook and that one Kyle and Cheryl are talking about exploding Walkmans.

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So apparently that Kyle and Cheryl went back to 1981 because we're like Walkmans and it wasn't.

00:29:32.291 --> 00:29:35.121
It was so different than the original one.

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There's exploding walkie talkies in the Middle East and now there's exploding Walkmans, kind of, and it was just like.

00:29:42.931 --> 00:29:51.538
So my worry is, if we all just keep regurgitating what somebody just regurgitated Right, we're going to end up with some crap.

00:29:52.143 --> 00:29:53.951
So it'll be an echo chamber, right, it would.

00:29:53.951 --> 00:30:11.220
If we that's the thing you the if the inputs become static and, like you're saying, so say we, you know, say we freeze chat gpt in its place today, and then we all base things off chat gpt, then we're just creating things inside a closed loop.

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There there has to be new inputs coming in, right, imagine if we stopped, you know.

00:30:16.296 --> 00:30:42.419
By the way, the number four is the blue yeti on the top 10 the sm7b oh, there you go, that makes sense yeah, it's what happens when we all start saying the same thing all the time together, you know, and in pretty soon you get this group, you get kind of group think and this is there's a little bit of danger in this where if we're just all creating the same content off the same data set, it will say literally the same things.

00:30:42.419 --> 00:30:49.403
Randy and I just did a chat, gpt query where I'm sure we said give me the top 10 microphones for podcasters.

00:30:49.403 --> 00:30:51.846
I'm pretty sure that's probably what Randy put in, that's what I put in.

00:30:51.846 --> 00:30:53.548
We got a similar list.

00:30:53.548 --> 00:30:55.297
The Blue Yeti came up for both of us.

00:30:55.297 --> 00:30:56.954
That's an echo chamber.

00:30:56.954 --> 00:30:57.297
Friends.

00:30:58.092 --> 00:31:06.180
We have to be really cautious of going in there and knowing okay, this is awesome, but is it really according to who and what?

00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:09.740
Openai is really bad about sourcing.

00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:15.400
This is where I wish it's sourced better than it does Bing.

00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:26.553
Surprisingly, the co-pilot sorry, the co-pilot Microsoft co-pilot, their version does some sourcing, so you can kind of go back and see hey, these are the places that it gets it from.

00:31:26.553 --> 00:31:28.376
So I think we've got to get a little bit smarter.

00:31:28.376 --> 00:31:40.141
Just as you're using that, just be cautious that we're not repeating, because we will literally just repeat the same things to death, oh yeah, and there'll be no new inputs right, there's a lot of history that you know.

00:31:40.342 --> 00:31:45.714
We all think george washington stood up in a boat crossing the delaware, and that's been debunked.

00:31:45.714 --> 00:31:48.818
They're like a painting it was just a painting?

00:31:48.818 --> 00:31:49.660
Yeah, exactly.

00:31:50.340 --> 00:31:50.781
This is.

00:31:50.781 --> 00:32:04.858
I went to perplexityai and so I'm going to say what are the top 10 microphones for podcasting, and it would be better if I fixed my typo.

00:32:04.858 --> 00:32:13.583
And what I like about this tool and this is free is it's thinking it's doing the answer.

00:32:13.583 --> 00:32:15.553
It says the Shure SM7B.

00:32:15.553 --> 00:32:18.920
Samsung Q2U, audio-technica ATR2100.

00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:19.801
This isn't a bad list.

00:32:19.801 --> 00:32:21.211
Number four Blue Yeti.

00:32:21.211 --> 00:32:23.336
And then, if I wanted, I could view all.

00:32:23.336 --> 00:32:27.412
But what I love about this is the Shure SM or Shure MV7.

00:32:27.412 --> 00:32:29.154
So it's not the SM7B different.

00:32:29.316 --> 00:32:34.345
But if I click on this it has links to wherever I got this from.

00:32:34.345 --> 00:32:35.816
So one's from the podcast host.

00:32:35.816 --> 00:32:38.817
There's Colin and his team, a bunch of YouTubers.

00:32:38.817 --> 00:32:41.522
2buddy says the Blue Yeti.

00:32:41.522 --> 00:32:45.751
So that's kind of why I like Perplexity, but I still.

00:32:45.751 --> 00:32:54.599
I did a show about what is a bounce rate for the YourPodCab site show and I then it got me where I wanted to go.

00:32:54.599 --> 00:33:00.478
But then I then looked at all those sources to see okay, how credible is this source, you know?

00:33:00.478 --> 00:33:06.339
And then Dan says as a history show, I've also found that chat GPT gets history wrong all the time.

00:33:06.339 --> 00:33:09.817
It just makes stuff up more than actually gives accurate information.

00:33:10.858 --> 00:33:16.112
Yeah, yeah, listen, this isn't an AI problem.

00:33:16.112 --> 00:33:19.490
Humans do this recommendation bias all the time and we do it to each other.

00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:40.374
We get in our own little circles of who we talk to, who we listen to, what we think is true, and then we begin to focus in on those things and start we can kind of create our own little, you know, our own little personal bubbles in that, and so that's not necessarily just an AI problem, it can be a human problem as well.

00:33:40.394 --> 00:33:41.459
Yeah, ralph says.

00:33:41.459 --> 00:33:49.021
But, jim, as I add content to my AI queries, I'm seeing where my ideas are being indexed at times, because it seems that it knows me.

00:33:49.021 --> 00:33:52.135
Now it's kind of scary, but the model is growing.

00:33:52.135 --> 00:33:55.123
Yeah, that's another cool thing about the Captivate thing.

00:33:55.123 --> 00:34:02.423
As you edit the transcripts, it's going to learn you a little more so that your transcripts will be.

00:34:03.931 --> 00:34:06.278
That seems good right on the surface.

00:34:06.278 --> 00:34:12.322
That seems good, but I have found in some circumstances sorry, somebody's running water right next to me here.

00:34:12.322 --> 00:34:18.916
The transcript tries to outsmart you and so this is what goes on with Otter.

00:34:18.916 --> 00:34:27.360
So you go in and you do some edits especially if you're editing people and you're changing some things around, it immediately starts kicking in and starting fixing things.

00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:39.097
It's like having 15 people editing a Word document all at the same time and not having any change, edit features turned on and things start changing.

00:34:39.329 --> 00:34:50.878
Wait a minute, I just changed this and then it changes it back because it's, you know, a good example is the use of the Oxford comma, or not, right For some folks you use it and other folks there isn't.

00:34:50.878 --> 00:35:01.523
If you're an editor and you're going in there and you're changing, you're adding the Oxford comma and its rules are we don't, you'll change it, it'll change it back.

00:35:01.523 --> 00:35:19.300
Sometimes, right now, that's an over-exaggerated example, but some of these AI tools and I see this with my editor in Otter all the time they get a little too smart and then they start trying to be helpful and they're actually destructive in the process.

00:35:19.300 --> 00:35:23.481
So, eyes wide open, friends going in there and knowing what you're getting.

00:35:23.481 --> 00:35:25.155
It sounds cool, dave.

00:35:25.155 --> 00:35:31.257
It sounds cool on the surface, not always cool in actuality, and not the be-all end-all.

00:35:31.257 --> 00:35:32.733
We still need to think about things.

00:35:33.376 --> 00:35:34.237
Yeah, I heard a clip.

00:35:34.237 --> 00:35:35.561
John had a great.

00:35:35.561 --> 00:35:42.039
I was calling them Kyle and Cheryl, john is calling them Karen and Chad and I'm like I think that's a better.

00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.423
Poor Karen, poor Karen.

00:35:44.670 --> 00:35:47.579
One Karen ruined it for all the Karen's Come on.

00:35:48.833 --> 00:35:50.438
Go to YouTube and type in Karen.

00:35:50.438 --> 00:35:53.900
It's an endless list of women behaving badly.

00:35:53.900 --> 00:36:05.244
But I heard one clip where it's Chad and Karen explained how she had lost her wallet and what a horrible situation it was.

00:36:05.244 --> 00:36:07.416
I'm like, wait a minute, karen's not real.

00:36:07.416 --> 00:36:15.891
I'm like, on one hand, it was kind of cool that she was making a personal story, but I was like but you're not real, karen, how did you so?

00:36:15.891 --> 00:36:18.260
That made me scratch my head on that.

00:36:18.260 --> 00:36:21.396
But on the other hand, see, this is where it just goes.

00:36:21.396 --> 00:36:24.182
I don't know.

00:36:24.182 --> 00:36:34.563
I like the fact that it's making it personal stories, because I tell people all the time well, the one thing that AI can't do is create personal stories.

00:36:34.563 --> 00:36:39.719
But apparently it can't, and so I was like okay.

00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.909
Now the question is are they good personal stories?

00:36:42.909 --> 00:36:43.974
I guess we'll find out.

00:36:45.010 --> 00:36:51.983
Well, I mean it has stories in its database, so to speak, that are pulled from us.

00:36:52.949 --> 00:36:54.152
Right somebody else's story?

00:36:54.152 --> 00:36:57.461
Yeah, it's like a bad comedian stealing stories.

00:36:57.869 --> 00:37:00.155
Yeah, listen, it's a sentence calculator.

00:37:00.155 --> 00:37:03.603
It's good at creating sentences that make sense, right?

00:37:03.603 --> 00:37:07.532
This is why, you know, dan says it lies to us about history.

00:37:07.532 --> 00:37:09.313
It's not lying.

00:37:09.313 --> 00:37:22.641
It just doesn't have enough information to say the truth, so it puts in the next logical word Well, sometimes that word is correct historically and sometimes it's not right.

00:37:22.641 --> 00:37:28.684
And it's trying to give you a sentence that has a high predictability of making sense.

00:37:28.684 --> 00:37:30.186
That's what its job is to do.

00:37:30.186 --> 00:37:33.367
Its job isn't necessarily to be accurate, right?

00:37:33.367 --> 00:37:40.960
It has no like accuracy memory of oh, do I check what I say to make sure that's actually the truth.

00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.050
Well, friends, what is truth, I ask you?

00:37:45.050 --> 00:37:46.293
How would it know?

00:37:46.293 --> 00:37:52.869
I mean, there are times there are two versions of, and probably more than this, jim.

00:37:52.889 --> 00:37:53.449
Collison MD Three yeah.

00:37:53.510 --> 00:37:53.891
Jim Collison MD.

00:37:53.891 --> 00:38:03.914
But there are yeah, there could be dozens of versions of an event that are all truthful, but to each one of those, only one is the truth Right.

00:38:03.914 --> 00:38:10.644
How does it know of those versions which version of your truth you want Right?

00:38:10.644 --> 00:38:17.293
So version of your truth you want Right.

00:38:17.293 --> 00:38:17.994
So this is the thing you know.

00:38:17.994 --> 00:38:19.516
We say, we call it hallucinating right or whatever.

00:38:19.516 --> 00:38:20.338
Listen, it's just a calculator.

00:38:20.338 --> 00:38:23.931
You just gave it some things and it's trying to make sentences that make sense.

00:38:23.931 --> 00:38:33.028
It's not aware it's, yes, it's getting smarter, or maybe it's getting a little bit better or more accurate, but, friends, it's not thinking, don't, let's just know this, it's just a calculator.

00:38:33.028 --> 00:38:37.360
It's getting a little bit better or more accurate, but, friends, it's not thinking, don't, let's just know this, it's just a calculator, it's just a word calculator.

00:38:37.869 --> 00:38:38.632
Yeah, dan says it.

00:38:38.632 --> 00:38:44.932
Try to tell me Tom Hardy started a movie about Andrew Lincoln, the guy from the Walking Dead.

00:38:44.932 --> 00:38:47.619
Yeah, that's not sorry, that is not correct.

00:38:47.619 --> 00:38:49.911
Mr AI, danny has a great point here.

00:38:49.911 --> 00:39:03.577
He says use AI as additional intelligent that complements you as a creator, as opposed to artificial intelligence that replaces your uniqueness, a way to reframe thinking around the tools.

00:39:03.577 --> 00:39:04.639
Yeah, I'm always like.

00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:10.097
I'm like hey, let me make the content and then let me use AI to maybe polish it.

00:39:10.737 --> 00:39:14.324
I know Craig from AI Goes to College, talks a lot about that.

00:39:14.324 --> 00:39:19.065
Hey, it can be really used to like hey, write this for more clarity.

00:39:19.065 --> 00:39:22.057
Or, you know, grade this in a way and let me know what's missing.

00:39:22.057 --> 00:39:23.793
That's you know.

00:39:23.793 --> 00:39:27.436
Again, use it as an assistant, don't use it as the generator to.

00:39:27.436 --> 00:39:29.380
You know, make up.

00:39:29.380 --> 00:39:38.581
And I always say you know, if you want to be a thought leader with your podcast, and the way you're going to be a thought leader is by reading a script written by chat GPT.

00:39:38.581 --> 00:39:40.635
That that's a big like.

00:39:40.635 --> 00:39:45.429
No, because it will ask chat GPT, when was its latest update?

00:39:45.429 --> 00:39:55.936
And it'll be like depending on what I, it said, 2021 for history and 2023 for latest stuff, and I'm like so that's not thought leading.

00:39:55.936 --> 00:39:58.603
If you're referring to things from, you know, 2022.

00:39:58.603 --> 00:40:00.170
Depending on your space, of course.

00:40:00.170 --> 00:40:06.159
If you're talking, technology no, if you're talking I don't know something else that doesn't change quite so fast.

00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.396
That'll be the tricky part, so it'll be fun to.

00:40:10.030 --> 00:40:20.755
It is a good summarizer and editor, let's just be clear, like you take a sentence you've written, throw it in there and say, hey, clean this up for me it won't change it very much, it will move some things around.

00:40:20.755 --> 00:40:23.900
This is, I mean, listen, the early versions of Grammarly.

00:40:23.900 --> 00:40:26.130
This is what they used, right?

00:40:26.130 --> 00:40:29.516
They weren't saying it's funny, grammarly never called it AI.

00:40:29.516 --> 00:40:39.969
That was their thing, right, good, good on them for creating their own brand, right.

00:40:39.969 --> 00:40:42.693
But the early versions of Grammarly were all based on this, and so it's a really good editor.

00:40:42.693 --> 00:40:44.456
And from a summarization tool, dave, I mean, it's amazing what it can do.

00:40:44.456 --> 00:40:52.606
Take the amount of data that already exists in a set and and bring that down to something smaller that actually makes sense.

00:40:52.606 --> 00:40:54.534
Really good at that.

00:40:55.030 --> 00:41:00.172
But creating things necessarily on the fly, that's still.

00:41:00.172 --> 00:41:02.199
It's what we're, maybe still a waste.

00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:13.958
And, to be honest, imagine a human with all the knowledge of the internet trying to make sense of questions asked by individuals who want their biases confirmed.

00:41:13.958 --> 00:41:16.898
That's impossible.

00:41:16.898 --> 00:41:29.476
We're never going to get to that point where, because we listen, we all have our own internal biases, things that we believe to be true, whatever, there's dozens of versions of things out there, and it's just not going to happen, friends.

00:41:29.476 --> 00:41:30.635
It's just not going to be.

00:41:30.635 --> 00:41:31.597
We're not going to get to that point.

00:41:31.597 --> 00:41:32.688
It's just not possible to happen, friends.

00:41:32.688 --> 00:41:32.965
It's just not going to be.

00:41:32.965 --> 00:41:33.760
We're not going to get to that point, it's just not possible.

00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.880
So I think, use the tool for what it's good for, for sure.

00:41:37.329 --> 00:41:38.052
Yeah, dan says.

00:41:38.052 --> 00:41:42.503
Generally, I think we try to make the tool do everything when there's not really an all-in-one tool.

00:41:42.503 --> 00:41:45.010
And that's true for recording a podcast.

00:41:45.010 --> 00:41:46.597
That's also true for AI.

00:41:46.597 --> 00:41:54.282
Dan says my problem is that clients who don't understand AI think my prices are too high because they think AI is doing all the work.

00:41:54.282 --> 00:41:59.865
They don't know how much I work and rework and re-rework stuff that AI gives me.

00:41:59.865 --> 00:42:04.632
Yeah, everybody thinks AI just oh, you just throw it in the thing and it spits out a thing and you're done.

00:42:04.632 --> 00:42:08.521
You're like maybe not Got to be careful with that.

00:42:08.521 --> 00:42:09.570
Keep that in mind.

00:42:09.913 --> 00:42:15.152
Here's a fun question Does anyone produce two podcasts in one feed?

00:42:15.152 --> 00:42:20.362
And I can do from my days of working at Libsyn, that is such a bad idea.

00:42:20.362 --> 00:42:22.873
What it is, I get it.

00:42:22.873 --> 00:42:26.181
So let's say you're on the Libsyn $15 a month plan.

00:42:26.181 --> 00:42:27.744
You start a second show.

00:42:27.744 --> 00:42:30.213
You're like, hey, can I?

00:42:30.213 --> 00:42:32.338
You know how does this work?

00:42:32.338 --> 00:42:33.922
Do I have to pay another 15 bucks?

00:42:33.922 --> 00:42:35.876
And the answer is yes, you do.

00:42:35.876 --> 00:42:38.398
And if you're on Captivate, no, you don't.

00:42:38.398 --> 00:42:41.898
But if you're on Libsyn, you would, or Buzzsprout or Blueberry or whoever.

00:42:41.898 --> 00:42:43.141
It's a different business model.

00:42:43.141 --> 00:42:59.561
And so their answer is well, I'll just put it all in the same feed and about a month later, when they've had a lot of their audience, go, hey, is there any way I can get just show number A and not show number B, because we don't want show number B?

00:42:59.561 --> 00:43:03.105
And they come to their media host and go how do we split these?

00:43:03.105 --> 00:43:04.746
And it's just a mess.

00:43:04.746 --> 00:43:14.255
It's a giant mess and you have to get people to resubscribe to ShowBee.

00:43:14.255 --> 00:43:20.217
Now when I saw that in Reddit, I was like, yeah, danny says one show, one feed, don't invite problems that don't need to exist.

00:43:20.217 --> 00:43:21.353
Yeah, it's going to.

00:43:21.353 --> 00:43:22.759
It creates a mess.

00:43:22.759 --> 00:43:27.963
I just remember every time I saw that ticket at Libsyn I was like, oh, who advised you on that?

00:43:27.963 --> 00:43:30.338
And my guess would be somebody in Facebook.

00:43:30.338 --> 00:43:33.197
Yeah, so that's always kind of tricky.

00:43:33.197 --> 00:43:40.740
Ralph says yeah, in terms of AI, the answer is to use the tool, but don't be a tool Exactly.

00:43:40.740 --> 00:43:43.092
So keep that in mind.

00:43:43.572 --> 00:43:45.878
Another one we got here and we throw this on the screen.

00:43:45.878 --> 00:43:49.313
If you're watching this, somebody was angry at Spreaker.

00:43:49.313 --> 00:43:51.396
Anyone else here use Spreaker.

00:43:51.396 --> 00:43:54.882
They rolled out more changes for podcasters over the weekend with no notice.

00:43:54.882 --> 00:44:04.579
As usual, they turned on auto-optimization, even if you had it turned off, and are adding ad breaks of two ads each as often as every five minutes.

00:44:04.579 --> 00:44:05.340
That sounds yummy.

00:44:05.340 --> 00:44:07.356
The algorithm is out of control.

00:44:08.070 --> 00:44:12.153
I understand that it's their right to try and bump up monetization, but it's excessive.

00:44:12.153 --> 00:44:15.356
I understand that it's their right to try and bump up monetization, but it's excessive, disruptive and a lack of transparency.

00:44:15.356 --> 00:44:22.402
And the lack of transparency from them is never ending and my guess is they're on the free plan or something.

00:44:22.402 --> 00:44:35.782
But just to me, the one thing Spreaker is interesting because they're owned by iHeart, if I remember now, and if you have a Spreaker account.

00:44:35.909 --> 00:44:44.255
I love Spreaker because they barely and I mean they give you this much like a very tiny amount of what's supposed to be your website.

00:44:44.255 --> 00:44:45.197
They don't give you one.

00:44:45.197 --> 00:44:50.552
So if you're a person like you know, libsyn Captivate Buzzsprout they give you a very basic website.

00:44:50.552 --> 00:44:52.112
Libsyn Captivate Buzzsprout, they give you a very basic website.

00:44:52.112 --> 00:44:56.775
I said the guy who works for Podpage, spreaker you almost don't get a website.

00:44:56.775 --> 00:45:11.882
So it's weird because in the early days, like 2010-ish, like it was Libsyn Blueberry, spreaker, you know, and Spreaker was keeping up and I remember when they came to I think it was, I know they asked me.

00:45:11.882 --> 00:45:14.322
I don't know if they asked you Jim, hey, what do you need us to do?

00:45:14.322 --> 00:45:20.545
And they kind of came around and you know, jason says hadn't noticed, he's on Spreaker, so he says I'm.

00:45:20.925 --> 00:45:31.454
He says and I'm on a paid plan, so maybe you know, that was only for the free people Cause, look, it's one of those things, when it's free, it's not free.

00:45:31.454 --> 00:45:36.206
They're either A selling your information, which they probably are and then, b, they've got to make that money back.

00:45:36.206 --> 00:45:40.657
And so they're going to get that money back by putting ads on your show.

00:45:40.657 --> 00:45:45.231
And so when they added more, it's because the price of ads have gone down.

00:45:45.231 --> 00:45:48.117
How do you keep that same amount of income?

00:45:48.117 --> 00:45:49.559
You add more ads to your show.

00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.003
So if they're on a free plan, don't do that.

00:45:53.905 --> 00:45:59.742
And if you're on a paid plan, you know that's a toughie because they will put ads in your stuff.

00:45:59.742 --> 00:46:06.041
But that's again when we say ads, that's the you know two to five dollar range per 1000 downloads.

00:46:06.041 --> 00:46:07.050
So enjoy your point.

00:46:07.050 --> 00:46:09.135
Zero, zero, two cents.

00:46:09.135 --> 00:46:15.893
You know Randy says I heart, who claims are number one in podcasting but only account for one percent of the downloads in podcasting apps.

00:46:15.893 --> 00:46:17.898
Yeah, that's every time.

00:46:17.898 --> 00:46:20.731
You know, I see that their thing.

00:46:20.731 --> 00:46:22.514
You know iheart number one in podcasting.

00:46:22.514 --> 00:46:39.242
And then they have to go in four apps that have podcasts and radio and this and that and it's hey, we're the number one show on podcasting on saturday mornings with guys named dave and jim you know for sure we used to use their page, their landing page.

00:46:39.922 --> 00:46:46.501
they used to have all of the player chiclets, landing pages, graphics, whatever you want to call them right.

00:46:46.501 --> 00:46:49.673
So, like pod page, pod pages are really cool.

00:46:49.673 --> 00:46:55.693
You know you can there and every, you can have all of the graphics for all the players that you want.

00:46:55.693 --> 00:47:02.876
You can pick and choose what you want there or not, and it was a really nice as we were trying to introduce our customers to Gallup, to podcasting.

00:47:02.876 --> 00:47:05.981
It was a really nice landing page to to.

00:47:05.981 --> 00:47:09.094
It was easy to update, it was custom, it was customizable.

00:47:09.094 --> 00:47:16.079
I could get you know folks to say, hey, regardless of your player land here, you can either listen there or choose the player and listen there.

00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.956
But they took it away and I much like what was said in the chat.

00:47:20.956 --> 00:47:25.074
There wasn't an announcement hey, we're taking this just away One day it just wasn't there.

00:47:25.891 --> 00:47:28.460
So I contacted their support and said, hey, where'd it go?

00:47:28.460 --> 00:47:30.137
That was super helpful to us.

00:47:30.137 --> 00:48:01.282
No-transcript if you're help brokering the ad, you know the ads going out.

00:48:01.282 --> 00:48:09.793
You have scale at that point and then you can kind of dictate the percentage that the podcaster makes and the percentage you make as a host provider.

00:48:09.793 --> 00:48:10.916
That's to your advantage.

00:48:10.916 --> 00:48:13.802
And if they're on your player, you get better stats.

00:48:13.802 --> 00:48:21.451
Right, this is a stats play, is what it is.

00:48:21.451 --> 00:48:21.931
They just want to.

00:48:21.931 --> 00:48:22.934
They want to get better stats for stuff.

00:48:22.934 --> 00:48:23.675
So they took all those players off.

00:48:23.675 --> 00:48:29.143
I'm sure some, some analysts said hey, you know, we have a lot of clicks going off of our website.

00:48:29.143 --> 00:48:33.722
If we kept them on our website, which is what we recommend people do, what do we say all the time?

00:48:33.722 --> 00:48:41.393
Make sure they're landing on your website, not Apple, not Spotify, right, you want them to come to your website because you control that experience.

00:48:41.393 --> 00:48:48.072
I'm sure they said they thought the same thing Just wasn't very helpful to me and I was like oh, now we have.

00:48:48.894 --> 00:48:50.418
I have 14 shows over there.

00:48:50.418 --> 00:48:50.777
I can't.

00:48:50.777 --> 00:48:52.461
It's leaving Spreaker would be.

00:48:52.461 --> 00:48:53.784
I shouldn't say this out loud.

00:48:53.784 --> 00:48:55.577
Hopefully nobody from Spreaker is listening.

00:48:55.577 --> 00:48:59.454
Leaving them would be difficult, you know it's just.

00:48:59.454 --> 00:49:01.280
Why do you do?

00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:02.061
I'd go to Podpage.

00:49:02.061 --> 00:49:05.039
If I was going to do it all over again, I'd go to Podpage.

00:49:05.349 --> 00:49:07.556
SP says Spreaker used to have the live audio.

00:49:07.556 --> 00:49:09.181
I remember that and then it was.

00:49:09.181 --> 00:49:10.677
They did remember that and then it was.

00:49:10.677 --> 00:49:12.327
They did remember that it was breaker and mixler.

00:49:12.327 --> 00:49:13.731
For a while we were doing mixler.

00:49:13.731 --> 00:49:17.521
I remember that a lot of audio on spreaker.

00:49:17.782 --> 00:49:18.483
Yeah, I don't.

00:49:18.483 --> 00:49:21.172
Uh, I'm not sure anybody would listen.

00:49:21.172 --> 00:49:25.190
Even if it was there, I'm not sure anybody would listen to just the audio anymore.

00:49:25.190 --> 00:49:27.536
I don't know you're listening, you're always going to have that.

00:49:27.536 --> 00:49:31.356
One or two people are like oh, I totally would, while I'm out mowing the lawn or whatever.

00:49:31.356 --> 00:49:33.601
Yeah, most people are coming in on video for sure.

00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:37.139
We have another quick question here.

00:49:37.139 --> 00:49:47.530
I've been working on my podcast for a while now and I've got the concept, I got the title, I got the story and even started writing episodes.

00:49:47.530 --> 00:49:54.322
I'm close to finishing the first two and I'm making good progress on the next two, and I have many more ideas ready to go.

00:49:54.322 --> 00:49:55.463
So far, so good.

00:49:55.463 --> 00:49:59.320
Right, I've invested in a good microphone and have a lot in place.

00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:06.030
My therapist is encouraging me to record and share something soon, but I'm unsure whether to post it right away.

00:50:06.030 --> 00:50:10.882
I feel like I'm almost there, but could use some advice on the next best steps.

00:50:10.882 --> 00:50:12.943
Wait on the best next steps.

00:50:13.347 --> 00:50:15.514
Do people usually post their first draft right away?

00:50:15.514 --> 00:50:18.661
Please don't, please, don't post your first rough draft.

00:50:18.661 --> 00:50:25.614
That's, I'm jumping in here, but anyway, do people usually post their first drafts right away or wait until they're polished everything up?

00:50:25.614 --> 00:50:32.840
I'm worried that a fear might be holding me back, but I also want to make sure everything is good as it can be before sharing it.

00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.789
I'd really appreciate any guidance or advice from those who've been through this before this.

00:50:37.911 --> 00:50:42.585
You know, as always, it's a podcast question, so the answer is it depends.

00:50:42.585 --> 00:50:45.231
Yeah, so it depends on your why.

00:50:45.231 --> 00:50:47.298
Now you mentioned your therapist here.

00:50:47.298 --> 00:50:58.596
So if this is an audio diary and you just want to feel heard, you could put out a rough draft, because we're not in it for advertising, we're not in it, we're not selling anything.

00:50:58.596 --> 00:51:09.826
You know, I always recommend don't put out a rough draft, because if you would kind of polish that up a little bit, you'd have a little more impact on the you know, on the audience.

00:51:10.510 --> 00:51:13.077
But that's, you know, I get stage fright.

00:51:13.077 --> 00:51:23.414
It's always kind of fun because first people are trying to convince me nobody's going to listen to my podcast and I'm like no, if you'd like, here's some guidelines, some best practices, let's try to do that.

00:51:23.414 --> 00:51:25.722
And they're like oh, nobody's going to listen.

00:51:25.722 --> 00:51:30.666
And then episode eight comes out and they're like I'm almost to 100 downloads.

00:51:30.666 --> 00:51:35.226
And then they start freaking out because people are listening, and it's always weird.

00:51:35.226 --> 00:51:36.961
They get scared because nobody's going to listen.

00:51:36.961 --> 00:51:42.342
And then they get scared because, oh my gosh, people are listening, and so it's always kind of tricky.

00:51:42.342 --> 00:51:45.403
So what would you say to this person, jim?

00:51:54.875 --> 00:51:55.637
They're a little worried about putting.

00:51:55.637 --> 00:51:57.123
Should they put it out the minute they have something recorded, or or what?

00:51:57.123 --> 00:51:59.032
Yeah, we answer this question all the time, which is your first couple ones are terrible, anyway.

00:51:59.032 --> 00:52:00.597
Yeah, so throw them out there, let some folks listen to them.

00:52:00.597 --> 00:52:01.601
Don't base anything on it.

00:52:01.601 --> 00:52:02.784
You're going to learn a ton of things.

00:52:02.784 --> 00:52:14.177
I wish I could listen to my own advice on all the podcasts that I've done and hold off for the first five and then and then start the podcast.

00:52:14.177 --> 00:52:19.826
Right, get five attempts in before you start really doing it.

00:52:19.826 --> 00:52:30.146
But if listen, if it's good for you to get it out there and if it's good for you to have some folks listen to it, if you need that, just do it.

00:52:30.146 --> 00:52:31.889
Yeah, you can always get.

00:52:31.889 --> 00:52:32.735
You know you can.

00:52:32.735 --> 00:52:39.708
You're going to get feedback and it may or may not be healthy for you based on where you're at Listen.

00:52:39.795 --> 00:52:57.469
Last Thursday I did a solo show I don't do a lot of solo shows on Home Gadget Geeks, but I did a solo show and I got done and you know, hit, stop, record and that night I was thinking about some of the things that I said and I was like I don't think I'm going to put this show out Like it was live.

00:52:57.469 --> 00:52:58.132
It was fine.

00:52:58.132 --> 00:52:59.155
It's out there now.

00:52:59.155 --> 00:53:03.583
I published it this morning but it's six, episode 624.

00:53:03.583 --> 00:53:10.255
And I got done with that one and thought, yeah, I don't know if that was my best work, I don't know.

00:53:10.255 --> 00:53:15.788
I just didn't feel as comfortable with it as I wanted to when I was done.

00:53:15.788 --> 00:53:17.085
We all have those.

00:53:17.085 --> 00:53:18.619
We all have those feelings.

00:53:19.101 --> 00:53:20.480
Yeah, it's just a part of it.

00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.043
I've had those episodes that I've worked really hard on.

00:53:23.043 --> 00:53:26.585
I put it out there and I think this is going to just go crazy.

00:53:26.585 --> 00:53:28.036
And it's crickets.

00:53:28.036 --> 00:53:32.748
I have at other shows that, as I'm clicking publish, I'm like should I really click publish on this?

00:53:32.748 --> 00:53:40.103
And people are like that was the best thing ever and you're like, really, stephanie wants to know why do people hate listen notes?

00:53:40.103 --> 00:53:41.547
Here's the thing.

00:53:41.547 --> 00:53:44.378
I've got two videos on my YouTube channel about this.

00:53:44.438 --> 00:53:55.364
Number one if I'm a podcast consultant and I say I'm in, like right now, the school of podcasting, top 0.5% Like you can't get much.

00:53:55.364 --> 00:53:56.847
You know 0.4, I guess.

00:53:56.847 --> 00:54:03.286
But anyway, if I say I'm a top 0.5% podcaster, okay, sounds impressive.

00:54:03.286 --> 00:54:08.242
And there are people that use that in their marketing because you don't know what that means.

00:54:08.242 --> 00:54:17.097
I think it's crap because I know what it means and what they're saying is if you go to their site and dig into it, I am beating.

00:54:17.097 --> 00:54:23.623
You know that one show about the biggest loser from like 2008,.

00:54:23.623 --> 00:54:26.085
Right, I'm better than them.

00:54:26.085 --> 00:54:28.128
Okay, I hope so.

00:54:28.648 --> 00:54:31.010
Steve Stewart from stevestewartme.

00:54:31.010 --> 00:54:45.043
He was in the top 7% and hadn't put an episode out in seven years, so it's comparing you to shows, or the 8 billion shows on Anchor that are, I don't know.

00:54:45.043 --> 00:54:46.286
Is this working?

00:54:46.286 --> 00:54:48.523
Okay, well, congratulations, you're beating that show too.

00:54:48.523 --> 00:54:48.907
So when people go, I'm in the top 5% of listen notes.

00:54:48.907 --> 00:54:48.992
I don't know.

00:54:48.992 --> 00:54:49.077
Is this working?

00:54:49.077 --> 00:54:49.592
Okay, well, congratulations, you're beating that show too.

00:54:49.592 --> 00:54:53.326
So when people go, I'm in the top 5% of listen notes.

00:54:53.326 --> 00:54:56.182
I'm like, congratulations, you beat a turd.

00:54:56.182 --> 00:54:57.005
You know what I mean.

00:54:57.376 --> 00:55:01.576
So now, that doesn't mean that all the shows are bad, but a lot of them are, trust me.

00:55:01.576 --> 00:55:04.184
A lot of podcasts are so bad.

00:55:04.184 --> 00:55:22.503
So when I see people using that as a badge of this is how much I know either A, you're preying on the uninformed, which I think is bad, or B you know it's bad, like either A, you're uninformed and you're just like holy cow, I'm in the top 0.5%.

00:55:22.503 --> 00:55:24.568
This is great, so I get that.

00:55:24.568 --> 00:55:36.916
So either you're uninformed, but I'm the people that I go and there are many podcast consultants that know that stat is, you know, congratulations, you're beating that podcast about.

00:55:36.916 --> 00:55:40.362
You know, insert old TV show here.

00:55:40.362 --> 00:55:48.003
You're beating that facts of life show Great job, you know, you're beating that chip show, television show.

00:55:48.003 --> 00:55:53.387
That's the part that I go and I lose, and this is just a Dave thing, it's just my opinion.

00:55:53.869 --> 00:56:02.514
I lose a little bit of respect for the podcast consultant that's quoting that in their marketing material, and but I did change my view on one thing.

00:56:02.514 --> 00:56:06.115
If somebody goes, where can I find the most popular show on my topic?

00:56:06.115 --> 00:56:10.936
Where can I find the most popular show on my topic, which, to me, you are?

00:56:10.936 --> 00:56:12.177
I think you're missing.

00:56:12.177 --> 00:56:14.197
Can you hear the fun-filled, high-pitched wine right now?

00:56:14.197 --> 00:56:16.278
Yeah, that's great, isn't it?

00:56:17.059 --> 00:56:18.840
It's not too bad and we're done.

00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.780
I think you're missing it.

00:56:20.780 --> 00:56:32.623
Yes, obviously you want to get on a show that has many downloads or et cetera, but to me the bonus of interviews are the networks, the connection you get with the host.

00:56:32.623 --> 00:56:39.344
Don't make the last time you talk to that host, the last time you were on their show, start a relationship with that person.

00:56:39.344 --> 00:56:46.306
But if somebody said, where can I find a most popular show, this would be a resource.

00:56:46.306 --> 00:56:54.889
It's not the resource and even as skewed and weird as their algorithm is, had an episode in the last seven years.

00:56:54.889 --> 00:56:56.528
So that's, it's just in.

00:56:56.528 --> 00:56:58.228
I just marketing people some.

00:56:58.228 --> 00:57:00.150
I'll give you an example.

00:57:00.150 --> 00:57:25.117
There are great salespeople and then there are the guy.

00:57:25.177 --> 00:57:27.460
This is when I was a youngin, I was 20-something, I had a very short sales career and I was.

00:57:27.460 --> 00:57:34.159
I had sold a copier to a church and I came back and it was my first sale and the guys oh, you didn't, I forget what I forgot.

00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:35.985
I forgot to quote the stand or something like that.

00:57:35.985 --> 00:57:45.782
And then, in a long story short, this salesman told me to lie to the church and I'm like, take out of, it could have been an auto store.

00:57:45.782 --> 00:57:52.722
Lying to your customer is just not something I do and I was just like, ew, is this what sales is about?

00:57:52.722 --> 00:57:54.186
Lying to people?

00:57:54.186 --> 00:57:56.119
I'm like ugh, so that was.

00:57:56.322 --> 00:57:57.469
And I said I can't lie to the church.

00:57:57.469 --> 00:57:58.856
And he's like, well, then you're going to lose the sale.

00:57:58.856 --> 00:58:02.425
And I'm like I'll go back and explain to them that you know.

00:58:02.425 --> 00:58:04.166
And I said, hey, I forgot this thing.

00:58:04.166 --> 00:58:06.228
I know I quoted you this price.

00:58:06.228 --> 00:58:07.108
It's actually going to be more.

00:58:07.108 --> 00:58:09.150
And they're like, oh, okay.

00:58:09.150 --> 00:58:13.552
And then I got the sale and they gave it to somebody else because I was in the wrong territory or something like that.

00:58:13.552 --> 00:58:16.733
And that's when I went, okay, we're done, we're done with sales.

00:58:16.733 --> 00:58:17.815
That didn't.

00:58:17.815 --> 00:58:25.927
I walked in once and handed somebody a brochure and they spit on it and handed it back and I went, yeah, okay, I think we're done.

00:58:25.927 --> 00:58:28.391
Had a dog almost pee on my shoe.

00:58:28.391 --> 00:58:33.181
I it was a very short sales career that you know, fun-filled and exciting.

00:58:33.181 --> 00:58:36.657
I don't know, jim, do you ever hear anybody talk about listen notes in your bubble?

00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:38.742
just here as we talk about.

00:58:38.742 --> 00:58:41.588
I mean, this is the bubble, we have our own.

00:58:41.588 --> 00:58:45.204
This bubble that we're in right now has its own opinion about listen notes.

00:58:45.204 --> 00:58:53.778
Apparently except stephanie didn't know we've all been saying the same thing about it for so long that it's got a pretty negative.

00:58:53.778 --> 00:58:55.882
You know, it's pretty, pretty negative stance.

00:58:55.882 --> 00:58:57.125
It's correct.

00:58:57.125 --> 00:59:03.119
I mean, the numbers are right, the it's just how you use them right.

00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:12.096
And you know, I'd be afraid if I was producing a podcast and it wasn't in the top 10%, then you'd be like, oh, those are some really low numbers.

00:59:12.096 --> 00:59:19.416
If that's, you know, if that's kind of based on the global, the global numbers yeah, there's just such a big number of global.

00:59:19.416 --> 00:59:20.177
This is the problem.

00:59:20.177 --> 00:59:21.860
This is Listen Notes' problem.

00:59:21.860 --> 00:59:25.065
There's such a big number of podcasts that are out there.

00:59:25.065 --> 00:59:30.213
Getting anything to make any sense is going to be tough.

00:59:30.213 --> 00:59:35.367
You're in start doing, yeah, uh, ask the podcast coach what you have here home gadget geeks.

00:59:35.367 --> 00:59:36.815
Exactly the same number.

00:59:36.876 --> 00:59:41.806
Yeah, 37 and 2.5 yeah, right, so it's another number to obsess over.

00:59:41.806 --> 00:59:44.217
Oh, and then you have to look at the listen score.

00:59:44.217 --> 00:59:45.358
What is this based on?

00:59:45.358 --> 00:59:47.864
And it's not going to let me know.

00:59:47.864 --> 00:59:49.849
Oh, here we go, the listen score.

00:59:49.849 --> 00:59:52.362
And of course it gives you an image that you can put on your website.

00:59:52.862 --> 01:00:02.682
Listen score is a metric that shows the estimated popularity of the podcast compared to other RS-based public podcasts in the world, on a scale from zero to 100.

01:00:02.682 --> 01:00:04.548
Again, you're beating a turd.

01:00:04.548 --> 01:00:05.472
Congratulations.

01:00:05.472 --> 01:00:11.360
The higher, the more popular, calculated from the first and third party data updated monthly.

01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.204
So now people can come back every month.

01:00:13.425 --> 01:00:15.215
Jack, did my number go up or down?

01:00:15.215 --> 01:00:41.208
You know the podcast is one of the top 2.5% most popular shows out of 3,421,384 which, again, if we go to podcast index and look at indexorg and go to stats, you know, yeah, there are 4 million podcasts and you are beating them, congratulations.

01:00:41.208 --> 01:00:47.726
But really there's only four and that's to me 434 that have put out an episode in 90 days.

01:00:47.726 --> 01:00:50.884
If you're putting out a show every three months, are you really?

01:00:50.884 --> 01:00:57.186
You know, look, do what you can with the schedule you got, but I'm looking at 30 days, maybe 60.

01:00:57.186 --> 01:01:11.655
But you know, even a podcast published in the last three days is 96,000, 230,000 for 10 days, 326 for 30 days, and that's the number I look at 230,000 for 10 days, 326 for 30 days, and that's the number I look at.

01:01:11.655 --> 01:01:12.416
If you publish once a month.

01:01:12.416 --> 01:01:18.248
Okay, not the best schedule, but 323,000 is way different than 4,274,000.

01:01:18.248 --> 01:01:21.204
So I'm just like yeah, so the list.

01:01:21.224 --> 01:01:22.085
That's the problem.

01:01:22.085 --> 01:01:23.804
You're making a judgment call.

01:01:23.804 --> 01:01:25.434
This is their problem, right?

01:01:25.434 --> 01:01:38.443
You yourself saying, hey, I think 30 days is the right number, but someone else I say, oh, dave, you're totally wrong Like it's 60 days, and here's why.

01:01:38.443 --> 01:01:48.807
And I give you three really valid and I could probably have ChatGPT give me three really valid reasons why you're wrong about that 30 versus 60.

01:01:48.807 --> 01:01:58.063
Then you and I have a, you know, microsoft versus Apple conversation, a battle over you know, like why we think we're right on this.

01:01:58.925 --> 01:02:11.237
And all of a sudden the numbers get then they're really meaningless because it's you got to explain to somebody okay, this is based on a 30-day rolling average of the thing, and people's eyes just glaze over.

01:02:11.237 --> 01:02:14.945
Like ListenNotes has decided to just say you know what?

01:02:14.945 --> 01:02:18.818
We're going to give it the global number and we're just going to call it that.

01:02:18.818 --> 01:02:27.260
And listen, listennotes is really there to sell ads and cross-reference to other services which I'm sure they have affiliate relationships with.

01:02:27.260 --> 01:02:33.440
So their goal is just to drive traffic to their site so they can make money on ads and affiliate relationships there's.

01:02:34.063 --> 01:02:34.844
But that's hard.

01:02:34.844 --> 01:02:37.536
That is when you talk about those stats in that way.

01:02:37.536 --> 01:02:49.197
To get a number that's meaningful, you're going to have to make a judgment call, and your judgment call and my judgment call on what is meaningful may be completely different.

01:02:49.197 --> 01:02:53.380
What would be nice is a configurable on that site.

01:02:53.380 --> 01:03:00.045
What would be nice is a configurable hey, where do I rank based on the 30-day number?

01:03:00.045 --> 01:03:03.228
Where do I rank based on a 60-day number?

01:03:03.228 --> 01:03:05.650
That that may actually be more helpful.

01:03:05.650 --> 01:03:09.155
So you could kind of, if you were going to go in there and see you know cause.

01:03:09.195 --> 01:03:12.724
All of a sudden your end gets a little bit smaller and you drop a little bit more.

01:03:12.724 --> 01:03:15.858
You know most people would, so maybe that'd be good.

01:03:15.858 --> 01:03:16.621
I don't know.

01:03:16.621 --> 01:03:17.762
Maybe Is that possible today.

01:03:17.762 --> 01:03:19.586
Can you in in listen notes?

01:03:19.686 --> 01:03:36.259
can you say figure out my numbers based on the 30 day and the 60 day.

01:03:36.259 --> 01:03:37.322
I'm sure they'll sell you the data so you can like.

01:03:37.322 --> 01:03:38.324
We'll sell you the database so you can scrape it.

01:03:38.324 --> 01:03:38.706
Yeah, I don't know.

01:03:38.706 --> 01:03:40.331
Steph says I know a podcast consultant that quotes, listen notes all the time.

01:03:40.331 --> 01:03:43.998
I just went to the website and Seattle eats with Tanvin is one of the top visual art podcasts.

01:03:43.998 --> 01:03:56.621
So yeah, when I hear a podcast and look, you know you market how you want to market Just to me, you're never going to hear me say you'll hear me say I'm the longest running podcast about podcasting.

01:03:56.621 --> 01:04:03.655
That's true and I can verify that Me and Rob Walsh might have to do a little thumb wrestle because he had podcast 411.

01:04:03.655 --> 01:04:06.523
And I go, was that a podcast about podcasting?

01:04:06.523 --> 01:04:08.255
I'm like that was you know.

01:04:08.255 --> 01:04:13.240
But and when I go longest running then I beat Rob because that show faded a while back.

01:04:13.240 --> 01:04:19.306
Yeah, I, you know I lose a little bit of respect, but that's just me, that's my background, that's me.

01:04:19.306 --> 01:04:23.411
You know you market the way you want to market and you know it is what it is.

01:04:24.934 --> 01:04:25.976
Anthony has a question.

01:04:25.976 --> 01:04:26.637
Thank you for waiting, anthony.

01:04:26.637 --> 01:04:28.179
I'm like, oh, I got to get to his question here.

01:04:28.179 --> 01:04:34.849
Can anyone recommend a wired mic that will connect to a cell phone for our roving reporters on the playground?

01:04:34.849 --> 01:04:36.030
There are a couple.

01:04:36.030 --> 01:04:37.960
Does it have to be wired?

01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:40.804
Because, trust me, you're going to trip over that wire if you're roving around.

01:04:40.804 --> 01:04:43.704
I would recommend it's not here.

01:04:45.818 --> 01:04:50.909
There is the Rode wireless one that records right to the microphone.

01:04:50.909 --> 01:04:52.221
You don't even have to have your phone.

01:04:52.221 --> 01:04:53.900
That's what's great about it.

01:04:53.900 --> 01:04:55.260
The bad news is you can't hear it.

01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:57.161
There's no plug my headphones in.

01:04:57.161 --> 01:05:00.826
So if you're popping plosives on that thing, you don't know until you get home.

01:05:00.826 --> 01:05:06.494
There is something to wise that little cabled microphones.

01:05:06.494 --> 01:05:09.864
The fun part is plugging it into the phone.

01:05:09.864 --> 01:05:12.800
So you're going to probably have to have some sort of you know cause.

01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:16.197
Here's, trust me this when I say the wires like this gave.

01:05:16.197 --> 01:05:20.956
I think this is eight feet of wire and a every time you use it you got to detangle it.

01:05:20.956 --> 01:05:25.766
I really it's pricey, but man, I got to hear one and play with one.

01:05:26.407 --> 01:05:28.847
The shore little wireless microphone.

01:05:28.847 --> 01:05:30.155
It's $330.

01:05:30.155 --> 01:05:37.226
So that's a little pricey, but they're literally the microphones the size of your pinky, the end of your pinky finger.

01:05:37.226 --> 01:05:38.500
You just clip it on.

01:05:38.500 --> 01:05:41.003
So it's not like you're, you know somebody always love these.

01:05:41.255 --> 01:05:42.742
Look, I like my Rode microphones.

01:05:42.742 --> 01:05:50.128
They sound great, but I also don't like it when it looks like I've pinned a pager from 1988 on my shirt to do the interview.

01:05:50.128 --> 01:06:07.898
But they're really cool and they have noise canceling, which is, especially if you're on a playground could come in handy, because I saw on the Shure website that they're standing next to some sort of ocean-type thing and there's wind and so you have waves crashing and this and that, and then all of a sudden they just go here.

01:06:07.898 --> 01:06:22.070
There's a button where you're like, with noise reduction, without noise reduction, and it's a big difference that in terms of and that wirelessly connects to your phone and from there you can export to Dropbox or someplace to get it on your computer or whatever.

01:06:22.070 --> 01:06:22.994
But you know it's tricky.

01:06:23.094 --> 01:06:38.016
Also, I will let you know, I did a podcast for a local event called Rockin' on the River and these people were hammered straight up, hammered, and I put a microphone in front of people and asked them like.

01:06:38.016 --> 01:06:40.141
They'd be like yeah, rock and roll, baby.

01:06:40.141 --> 01:06:42.896
And I'd be like hey, you having a good time at Rockin' on the River.

01:06:42.896 --> 01:06:53.862
And I put a mic in front of them and they'd be like I don't know, like people do not like talking in public and I mean I luck out when I go to events that I'm talking to a bunch of podcasters.

01:06:53.862 --> 01:07:01.817
So with that and this goes for everybody never let them grab the microphone, never let somebody if you're doing a Bob Barker kind of thing.

01:07:01.817 --> 01:07:04.146
But you got to be careful.

01:07:04.186 --> 01:07:05.231
Yeah, the MoveMic.

01:07:05.231 --> 01:07:06.797
Thank you, gary, I couldn't remember the name of that.

01:07:06.797 --> 01:07:08.663
The MoveMic is my choice.

01:07:08.663 --> 01:07:10.989
The lavs pair directly to the iPhone.

01:07:10.989 --> 01:07:13.036
You can also add a receiver later if you want to.

01:07:13.036 --> 01:07:16.574
The receiver lets you throw it into your camera if you wanted to, things like that.

01:07:16.574 --> 01:07:19.380
But that is one I'm really close.

01:07:19.862 --> 01:07:42.099
The only reason I bought the I bought the Rode Wireless Go and of course, six months later they came out with the Wireless Bro because it connected to the Rodecaster, which in a way is kind of stupid, because I thought at the time I would have the, I would get a lav mic, plug it into the Wireless Go, which again, I'm buying a wireless system so I can plug a wired microphone into it.

01:07:42.661 --> 01:07:51.518
But I'm seriously thinking of selling my Wireless Go microphones and getting the Shure one, for I like the Rode wireless microphone thing.

01:07:52.099 --> 01:07:54.644
It really bugs me that I can't hear what I'm recording.

01:07:54.644 --> 01:08:01.856
And the other fun thing is that I need to realize I shouldn't really buy anything to record at events because it's come to my attention.

01:08:01.856 --> 01:08:10.539
I don't record at events, I'm usually just talking to people and when you pull out a microphone it makes people get a little weird, even if they're podcasters.

01:08:10.539 --> 01:08:20.046
But Powered to Wise is the wired lab I used and they were cheap they're like 50 bucks that if you need that and they come in a pair of two.

01:08:20.046 --> 01:08:21.618
So it's like a Y.

01:08:21.618 --> 01:08:42.784
You plug it into the mic and then you have yours clipped on and your wire's hanging everywhere and you just walk up to somebody and you clip a mic on them and let them go and then just make sure at the end of that to say it's okay if I use this in my podcast, right, because you want to have some sort of sign off that they're happy listening to that and but it sounds like fun good don't.

01:08:43.126 --> 01:08:45.393
Don't forget about task cam has some.

01:08:45.393 --> 01:08:49.637
We haven't talked about them in a while but task cam has some, both handheld and then phone.

01:08:49.637 --> 01:08:58.926
Those microphones you could attach to the iPhone through the plug and some of those do have audio out.

01:08:58.926 --> 01:09:05.851
You could put a pair of headphones in them and hear the sound that you're getting.

01:09:05.851 --> 01:09:08.894
That's what I always liked, that because I wanted to to hear like you're saying.

01:09:08.894 --> 01:09:10.478
I want to make sure we weren't blowing it out.

01:09:10.478 --> 01:09:13.280
The Tascam mics are a little sensitive.

01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:17.984
They're almost like spy microphones.

01:09:17.984 --> 01:09:28.578
You can turn that thing on and turn it up and you can hear somebody across the room a little bit louder than they actually are, because some of those microphones are a little sensitive.

01:09:28.578 --> 01:09:30.604
But Tascam would be a way to go.

01:09:30.604 --> 01:09:33.243
Zoom H1 would be another way.

01:09:33.515 --> 01:09:34.300
Here's the one I have.

01:09:34.300 --> 01:09:44.185
It's the Tascam, whatever model number, this is DR-10X, and what you do is you take your normal microphone and you plug it in here.

01:09:44.185 --> 01:09:49.646
The thing I hate about this is that screen is ridiculously small and it's backlit.

01:09:49.646 --> 01:09:54.024
So if you're doing things outside, what I ended up doing was going into my car.

01:09:54.024 --> 01:09:58.483
It's got one of the mini discs here and the thing I hate about it is turning it on.

01:09:58.483 --> 01:10:16.704
You have all these buttons up here right, but the button to make it record you have to slide to the left, and when you can't see the backdrop or the backlit little, ridiculously small screen, I finally went back to the car, made sure it was recording and just left it, because I could record like 10 hours of audio on the disc.

01:10:16.704 --> 01:10:18.179
So it was kind of handy.

01:10:18.179 --> 01:10:25.487
And then I just had the Rode interview mic so I could kind of do this, and it's basically what that wireless system does now.

01:10:25.595 --> 01:10:32.662
But this one has a headphone out so I could hear what was going on, and now I have to find a wired pair of headphones.

01:10:32.662 --> 01:10:39.086
If I want to use that configuration, I really do need to sell half the gear that's sitting here behind me.

01:10:39.086 --> 01:10:40.520
I never use half this stuff.

01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:43.561
Dan brought it up.

01:10:43.561 --> 01:10:45.420
Monday is International Podcast Day.

01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:47.485
Oh yeah, which is fun.

01:10:47.485 --> 01:10:51.378
We used to be.

01:10:51.378 --> 01:10:53.630
Not that it's not a big deal deal, but we used to make a much more bigger deal about it than those.

01:10:53.649 --> 01:10:55.657
Things are hard to keep going it's hard.

01:10:55.657 --> 01:10:58.443
It's a lot of work and not a lot of payoff.

01:10:58.443 --> 01:11:08.802
I mean, you talk about one of those things of keep you got to keep going and no matter what you do, you disappoint some people and you've never done enough.

01:11:08.802 --> 01:11:21.385
I mean, this gets filed under the no good deed goes unpunished type thing, where people I did it with me and then last minute you get somebody to sign up.

01:11:21.494 --> 01:11:22.701
Hey, you have this hour slot.

01:11:22.701 --> 01:11:29.045
Oh, now I got to go wash my hair and so you can't win for losing.

01:11:29.045 --> 01:11:33.180
On those they just that's a hard, that's just a yeah.

01:11:33.180 --> 01:11:36.667
Randy says that 20 28 hour live stream was tough on the organizers.

01:11:36.667 --> 01:11:39.701
Oh yeah, you would think podcasters are some of the.

01:11:39.701 --> 01:11:42.305
Yeah, they're hard to work with.

01:11:42.305 --> 01:11:56.735
You guys are hard to work with sometimes I'm just saying yeah, you're hard to work with yeah, steve lee and dave, I think was uh steven yeah david, david steve and they would see a ridiculous hours and they're getting people in.

01:11:57.557 --> 01:12:12.570
You know the philippines and yeah, there's an amazing amount of work and it's kind of interesting because back then, when it first started, like people didn't know what, we were still explaining what's a podcast, and I can't remember the last time I met somebody who didn't at least know what you know.

01:12:12.570 --> 01:12:18.551
Oh, it's like an internet radio thing, right, you know they like back then people were like I've never heard that word before.

01:12:18.551 --> 01:12:19.356
What are you talking about?

01:12:19.657 --> 01:12:26.238
yeah, so we celebrated international podcast day at gallup one year, I think, two, maybe two, three years ago.

01:12:26.238 --> 01:12:30.847
One of the marketing folks l onto it hey, did you know there was an international podcast day?

01:12:30.847 --> 01:12:33.601
I was like, yeah, and they're like let's celebrate it.

01:12:33.601 --> 01:12:40.221
So we put out some graphics on the day and of course it was to promote our podcasts, right, but it was good to celebrate it.

01:12:40.221 --> 01:12:42.743
You know it is a thing, but you're right.

01:12:49.095 --> 01:12:50.319
It feels a little bit different now than it did 10 years ago.

01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:51.242
You know around podcasting, yeah for sure.

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She's been donating quite a bit on Saturday, so thank you so much for that and I will take your money any way you want to do it.

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I'll have to figure out, I think.

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No, we probably won't have a show.

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Is it the ladies over at Keeping the Flame Alive?

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Or Randy over at Bible Bites?

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Or John Muntz?

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Well, we're going to first just to make sure we're going to hit shuffle, and then we're going to hit shuffle and then we're going to hit spin.

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I'm interested.

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I should if I had extra time I'd make sure see if I could figure it out.

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I can't believe it.

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That's why I hit shuffle.

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What's interesting, that's his third week in a row.

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That's it.

01:15:11.835 --> 01:15:17.563
I'm like that's why I hit shuffle, I'm like I just not that I don't want to say, chris again, I just, you know there are other people.

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There's Jody from you know, to askthepodcastcoachcom, slash awesome.

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And this is where we always I'm hitting the button and for whatever reason, it's really odd that behind the scenes, e-cam, there we go, it just won't come up.

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It doesn't pop up when I hit my button on my screen.

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01:16:07.198 --> 01:16:10.337
I just want to shout have we not entertained you?

01:16:12.819 --> 01:16:15.002
what movie is that from gladiator?

01:16:16.345 --> 01:16:18.748
gladiator 2 is coming out here.

01:16:18.748 --> 01:16:20.516
It's got the pascal.

01:16:20.516 --> 01:16:21.038
What's his name?

01:16:21.038 --> 01:16:22.323
Pedro pascal is that?

01:16:22.323 --> 01:16:23.630
Am I pronouncing his name right?

01:16:23.890 --> 01:16:25.938
there is a gladiator 2 coming out.

01:16:25.938 --> 01:16:27.521
I went and saw.

01:16:27.521 --> 01:16:29.326
I've gone to two movies and it's weird.

01:16:29.326 --> 01:16:29.827
I went to one.

01:16:29.827 --> 01:16:37.545
I went to saw the Beetlejuice movie and there was like almost nobody there on a Friday night at six o'clock and I'm like, okay, you know.

01:16:37.545 --> 01:16:40.380
And then when I came out of the movie it was like almost eight.

01:16:40.380 --> 01:16:52.523
I'm like I'm sure there's 6 o'clock showing, because I'm trying to beat the crowd and I was the only person in the theater.

01:16:52.523 --> 01:16:55.842
I was like movies are going to go away.

01:16:55.842 --> 01:16:56.926
I love big movies.

01:16:56.926 --> 01:16:58.462
I don't go enough.

01:16:58.462 --> 01:17:03.564
It is kind of odd that the ticket's $13 and the popcorn's $15.

01:17:03.564 --> 01:17:04.947
Oh yeah, give me a break.

01:17:04.947 --> 01:17:05.387
Brutal.

01:17:06.314 --> 01:17:07.497
Brutal, brutal.

01:17:07.497 --> 01:17:08.880
You ever bought food in the theater?

01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:13.167
You ever gone to these theaters that have food and drink as well, no, I can only imagine.

01:17:13.167 --> 01:17:14.048
Have bars.

01:17:14.048 --> 01:17:18.583
Yeah, I mean, for the two of us it's 55 bucks.

01:17:18.583 --> 01:17:20.108
You're like you know what?

01:17:20.108 --> 01:17:23.845
Well, I was going to say you get a pretty good meal for 55 bucks, but that's not true either.

01:17:23.845 --> 01:17:26.619
I went to a pizza place and spent 75.

01:17:26.619 --> 01:17:30.368
So it's be careful friend, it's getting expensive out there yeah.

01:17:30.854 --> 01:17:32.715
Randy's nerding out with the Rodecaster.

01:17:32.715 --> 01:17:46.728
He says if anyone has a Rodecaster Pro 2 or Duo with the beta firmware installed and using a Mac so there's a lot of this, that and that it is possible, he says, to set up the new virtual devices using Loopback.

01:17:46.728 --> 01:17:48.480
Reach out if you need help.

01:17:49.935 --> 01:17:54.310
Yeah, that makes sense that makes sense I'm just not streaming my spotify and everything else.

01:17:54.310 --> 01:17:56.699
I saw it and I was, you know, not really my cup of tea.

01:17:56.699 --> 01:17:57.542
And there we go.

01:17:57.542 --> 01:18:03.859
Dan, of course, would know the movie guy denzel washington and pedro pascal in gladiator 2.

01:18:03.859 --> 01:18:10.319
Yeah, because there were so many unanswered questions from gladiator one, you know, I was like, oh well yeah.

01:18:10.539 --> 01:18:13.128
So who is the guy who is the lead in gladiator one?

01:18:13.128 --> 01:18:14.353
What's his name?

01:18:14.474 --> 01:18:28.965
I've been trying to oh man, I can see him I know sold his show john oliver owns his jock strap from that movie yes, I remember what his name is well, the chat room's gonna bring it up in 30 seconds, I'm sure spoiler alert he's not back.

01:18:32.149 --> 01:18:35.632
Spoiler alert go watch the original gladiator before you go.

01:18:35.632 --> 01:18:37.095
Steve, there's, yeah, russell crow.

01:18:37.234 --> 01:18:38.960
Thank you russell, crow there we go.

01:18:39.060 --> 01:18:42.856
That's who it was, yeah yeah, I can see his face, it looks good, it looks good.

01:18:42.957 --> 01:18:46.987
Anything with denzel washington is gonna be good yeah, make sure you get out there.

01:18:46.987 --> 01:18:48.962
By the way, those two are back together.

01:18:48.962 --> 01:18:52.462
They were in Enforcer no, the Eliminator no.

01:18:53.215 --> 01:18:55.262
Yeah, one of those things where I'm going to get you yeah.

01:18:56.135 --> 01:18:59.097
Yeah, one of those revenge movies that's out there.

01:18:59.097 --> 01:19:01.140
The Punisher no, not that one.

01:19:01.140 --> 01:19:10.510
One of those Equalizer that was yeah, pedro and Denzel were in those together in the I think the second one, so they're back.

01:19:10.510 --> 01:19:12.311
I've been watching, yeah.

01:19:12.534 --> 01:19:12.876
If you're.

01:19:12.876 --> 01:19:18.127
I've been watching Reacher on Amazon and this guy's six fives.

01:19:18.127 --> 01:19:20.481
He's just a giant beast of a dude.

01:19:20.481 --> 01:19:27.967
Oh yeah, and it's fun Cause you just know, I like the fact that they actually allow him to occasionally get hurt.

01:19:27.967 --> 01:19:37.478
Like it's not quite Rambo, where he's running a half a mile and apparently everybody who was trying to kill him is trying to shoot him in the ankle and missing.

01:19:37.478 --> 01:19:39.764
That always drove me nuts with Rambo movies.

01:19:39.804 --> 01:19:49.465
Like on occasion he will actually somebody will actually cut him, and you know he gets beat up in both those both seasons and the second season even more.

01:19:49.465 --> 01:19:53.514
I mean, he is just you're right, it's a little more realistic, I think.

01:19:53.854 --> 01:19:56.283
Yeah, which I always call me crazy.

01:19:56.283 --> 01:20:01.006
I know we go to the movies to escape and sometimes that's what your podcast is.

01:20:01.006 --> 01:20:02.461
It's just an escape for people.

01:20:02.461 --> 01:20:14.064
But my logical brain has a hard time when I see somebody get hit in the forearm with a crowbar and I know there's adrenaline and things like that.

01:20:14.064 --> 01:20:19.847
But there's a part of me that's go wait a minute, you're not gonna just yeah and stop that crowbar with your forearm.

01:20:19.908 --> 01:20:21.252
Is that what you're?

01:20:21.292 --> 01:20:28.247
that, or after the fight is over, you know and you go, and then you get up and don't go.

01:20:28.247 --> 01:20:35.667
Ow man, my, my forearm, I think, has been shattered into five different pieces listen, jason bourne was the same way.

01:20:35.728 --> 01:20:36.511
Right, he got shot.

01:20:36.511 --> 01:20:54.326
He got shot in the shoulder and then just disappears, walks away, right, yeah, yes, he's bleeding and but you're like, I'm going down, I'm not, I'm going down, I'm going down, yeah, yeah, you, just some of that stuff is, but it's great, it's great for Hollywood.

01:20:54.867 --> 01:20:55.676
Yeah, dan says.

01:20:55.676 --> 01:21:02.523
I can't help but see the Reacher guy, which is Alan Richardson, as a stereotypical dumb jock from the blue mountain stage.

01:21:02.523 --> 01:21:08.085
See, I've never there we go, but anyway, so that's movies with Dave and Jim.

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Thanks for tuning in.

01:21:09.957 --> 01:21:11.274
That's our segment, our movie segment.

01:21:11.274 --> 01:21:12.399
That's our segment, our movement segment.

01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:15.463
For that Should we have a movie segment each week here at the end of the show.

01:21:15.855 --> 01:21:16.980
I do want to bring this up.

01:21:16.980 --> 01:21:21.487
I've been playing with many different apps and I started playing.

01:21:21.487 --> 01:21:30.940
I liked Podcast Guru because I can do the whole streaming set thing, but I heard people talking about Pocket Cast and Pocket the whole streaming sat thing.

01:21:30.940 --> 01:21:33.430
But I heard people talking about Pocket Casts and Pocket Cast has this cool feature that I can be listening.

01:21:33.430 --> 01:21:42.328
In fact, they have a web-based interface and I love the fact that I can pull up Pocket Casts on the web and see where my bookmarked.

01:21:42.676 --> 01:22:00.841
Adam Curry made a great point about video on the new media show and it goes a little something like this he said I understand the obsession of audiences wanting to see how something is made, because for years you could really only listen to radio Again.

01:22:00.841 --> 01:22:03.228
Not every book needs to be a movie.

01:22:03.774 --> 01:22:04.395
I love that line.

01:22:04.395 --> 01:22:12.481
Not every book needs to be a movie, but you know, here's James Cridland talking about this the discoverability problem.

01:22:13.604 --> 01:22:15.609
Two other things, though, that I thought were interesting.

01:22:15.609 --> 01:22:21.706
One of them is two in five people 44% sample new shows every month.

01:22:21.706 --> 01:22:32.042
So if you're there doing new shows, then actually there are a lot of people who are sampling those, which kind of tells a bit of a lie in terms of the podcast discovery problem.

01:22:32.042 --> 01:22:33.525
Oh, there's a podcast discovery problem?

01:22:33.525 --> 01:22:34.256
Well, not.

01:22:35.137 --> 01:22:35.878
So I love that.

01:22:36.740 --> 01:22:41.408
I never expected to hear James Cridland go off voice with that.

01:22:41.408 --> 01:22:47.942
That is so he has such a great speaking voice, right yeah?

01:22:47.942 --> 01:22:48.502
Yeah.

01:22:48.502 --> 01:22:53.829
And he could say anything and it would sound smart, right, it would just sound smart.

01:22:54.375 --> 01:23:03.565
Yeah, so I love that feature because I'm constantly like, oh, I got to, and what I do is I take screenshots of the app and try to go back later and find it.

01:23:03.565 --> 01:23:04.659
So I love that feature.

01:23:04.659 --> 01:23:07.824
I think Podurama does that, but I'm kind of bummed.

01:23:07.824 --> 01:23:12.180
I'm like I want all my favorite features in one app and still haven't found that yet.

01:23:12.740 --> 01:23:21.684
Also, if you haven't gone to schoolofpodcastingcom slash question, I'm dying to know your thoughts on chapters.

01:23:21.684 --> 01:23:23.528
Do you use them in your show?

01:23:23.528 --> 01:23:25.197
Do you use them as a listener?

01:23:25.197 --> 01:23:27.161
Are you in the what do you mean chapters book?

01:23:27.161 --> 01:23:27.641
Whatever?

01:23:27.641 --> 01:23:30.668
Go over to askthepodcastcoachcom slash question.

01:23:30.668 --> 01:23:32.775
This is the last day I'm taking Technically.

01:23:32.775 --> 01:23:35.465
Yesterday was and I haven't looked in the folder, but I haven't.

01:23:35.465 --> 01:23:42.578
Usually I have people like, hey, I answered your question and I haven't got a lot of those, and I'm dying to know because I play a lot with chapters At any rate.

01:23:42.578 --> 01:23:45.702
Yeah, so school at podcastingcom slash question.

01:23:45.702 --> 01:23:48.865
And don't forget to tell me a little bit about your show where we can find it.

01:23:48.865 --> 01:23:51.088
So it's also free self promotion.

01:23:51.088 --> 01:23:52.690
Jim, do you use chapters?

01:23:58.435 --> 01:23:58.695
Yeah, I do now.

01:23:58.695 --> 01:23:59.498
Yeah, but I use them.

01:23:59.498 --> 01:24:01.507
I pull them out, give them timestamps and just put them in the show notes, that's how I do it.

01:24:01.528 --> 01:24:03.997
There you go, nice, and what's coming up on Home Gadget Geeks.

01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:05.983
Solo show this week.

01:24:05.983 --> 01:24:07.587
I'm giving up on backups.

01:24:07.587 --> 01:24:08.650
I'm just done.

01:24:08.650 --> 01:24:11.639
I'm the backup guy on the show, but I think I'm done.

01:24:11.639 --> 01:24:13.261
I think I'm done with backups.

01:24:13.261 --> 01:24:14.886
That's shocking enough for you.

01:24:14.886 --> 01:24:19.426
Head over to TheAverageGuytv, or it's posted right now HomeGadgetGeekscom.

01:24:20.456 --> 01:24:21.778
On the School of Podcasting.

01:24:21.778 --> 01:24:23.041
Well, this is the last.

01:24:23.041 --> 01:24:25.184
Yeah, we're doing the question of the month I was going to.

01:24:25.184 --> 01:24:28.909
Next we'll be doing are you in your own way?

01:24:28.909 --> 01:24:33.176
That's what I was going to talk about, but I looked I was like, oh, it's question of the month You'll be hearing.

01:24:33.176 --> 01:24:36.666
We'll be talking chapters on the School of Podcasting this week.

01:24:36.666 --> 01:24:49.680
So, thanks to Mark over at podcastbrandingco, dan over at basedonatruestorypodcastcom, thanks to R for the super chat Finder at Mouthy Broad Media and thanks to the chat room.

01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:55.185
You guys are always fun to hang out with and great questions, and Jim is left to go to a rave.

01:24:55.185 --> 01:25:08.105
So that's great fun and it's one of those things where, when I go out to Reddit and I see the same old questions, it's interesting to see what you guys are going to bring up, and I knew we were going to talk about AI and Captivate and other things like that.

01:25:14.515 --> 01:25:15.056
Are you confused by your?

01:25:15.056 --> 01:25:15.557
Well, look at the screen.

01:25:15.557 --> 01:25:17.222
Okay, when I do this, it this black screen that I have there shows up at the end.

01:25:17.222 --> 01:25:17.765
Let's see if we can evoke.

01:25:17.765 --> 01:25:21.658
Okay, now watch it's colored and then watch as it clears out.

01:25:21.658 --> 01:25:22.761
Oh no, I didn't do it that time.

01:25:22.761 --> 01:25:24.466
Of course I don't know, it was just sorry.

01:25:24.466 --> 01:25:28.082
Sorry, you could see the weirdness on my face all All right, guys.

01:25:28.603 --> 01:25:29.425
We'll see you next week.

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Take care, enjoy the rest of your weekend.