The Art of Podcast Feedback: Public or Private?

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Ask the podcast coach for April 6, 2024.

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Let's get ready to podcast.

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There it is. It's that music that means it's Saturday morning. It's

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time for ask the podcast coach where you get your podcast questions

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answered live. I'm Dave Jackson from the school of

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podcasting.com com, and joining me right over there. Nope.

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That guy is, the one and only Jim Collison from the average guy

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dot tv. Jim, how's it going, buddy? And, Steve,

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happy Saturday morning to you. Welcome back. After a week, podcast

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no. Podcast movement. Podcast evolutions. Yeah. Movement. How can't I

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remember that? It's can't I remember that? It's, hey.

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Anyways, welcome back. Yeah. It's, it's good to be back. It really is. I

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actually thought of sending you a message because it dawned on me.

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I forgot I was on West Coast time. So 10:30

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EST is 7:30 in the morning. I was awake. I'm like, oh, I could've

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done Ask the Podcast Coach. I would've been on the the

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slave of hotel Wi Fi, which is not always a good place to be.

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But I was like, you know what? It's okay. It it it was Easter weekend.

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I hope everybody had a great Easter weekend. And I I ended up having a

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birthday party to go to anyways. Oh, yeah. So it all worked out. It all

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worked out. Yeah. A fun one? Like, a a grandkid kinda thing? Almost like

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an adopted grandkid kind of thing. Like, you know, a family,

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they're out of they were from out of town, and they didn't have a lot

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of family here, so we were their grandparents. Nice. That's always fun. It was

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fun. I am, It was fun. I'm laughing because I'm trying to remember where

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the chat window is. I'm I'm rusty this morning. And you know

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what really helps when you're feeling rusty? Some coffee.

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Some coffee. Absolutely. And so, we will hit that. There

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we go. And that coffee, of course, is brought to you by our good friend,

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He gives you personalized service. He's also a podcaster, and I know

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that sounds like so. No. That's huge because you don't have to

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explain what it is and things like that. And he's gonna just basically keep

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working until you get the stuff you need because you gotta remember

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grab that. You gotta stop the scroll. How do you stop the scroll? By looking

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good, looking professional because, you know, if you do your

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podcast, artwork and whatever, it's gonna look like you did it with a

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crayon. And, you don't wanna look like a crayon. You wanna go to

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podcastbranding.co and, tell them,

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Dave and Jim sent you.

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Big thanks our good friend, Dan Lefebvre over there based on a true story, based

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on true story podcast.com this week, April 1st through

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7th, the highwayman, the assassination of Jesse

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James. That sounds interesting. And Grant. And so,

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hopefully, we I always encourage you guys when we take a week off to head

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over there to, to catch up or something get something new or see how Dan

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does it. Pro podcaster, and you'll wanna check it out today based on a true

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story podcast.com. Dan, thanks for

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your sponsorship. I'm, I'm laughing because behind the

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scenes, there is a window that I can pull up. Like, if anybody is in

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YouTube right now saying things, I surely can't find it.

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I'm looking. I got camera switching and interviews and

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interview chat. All sorts of Can you see the livestream? I can Is that what

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you're saying in the comment? Yeah. Usually, I have a window open

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or maybe I need to go to it's like I'm so rusty this morning. And

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I was like, well, usually, you open it up, and there's the stuff from the

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last time you used it. And I'm like, yeah. I got nothing. So if there

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was, like, an echo right now, Oh, they're just saying you're

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quieter than me. I'm quieter than you. Alright. Well, I will I will get they're

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giving. And it's so weird because I'm I'm

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looking, and I got While you're while you're tell you, while

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you're looking, let me tell folks what I do for this kind of situation because

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I think if you're gonna livestream with Ecamm or or with

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StreamYard or with any of the other ones, and if you're gonna go to YouTube,

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you probably should just go to your live page that you're streaming on

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and pop that chat out. It's kind of the easiest way to

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get chat. I know all of those services have the ability to bring

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the stream into, like, StreamYard has an area where you

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can you can talk back to the audience. It's

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I don't know. I I don't find it as as easy. I don't like it

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as much. The other thing I can't do is I can't ban folks. Like,

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on YouTube, if you start getting some, you know, you get some some racist

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or something, you know, pornish, whatever that's out there,

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You can't, you can't delete it. And so I always find if you're

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streaming to YouTube, always best to have the YouTube

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chat open, signed in as the owner so you can

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boot folks out. You can't I can't do that from StreamYard. I'm not sure if

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you can do that inside of Ecamm, Dave. Could could you boot

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somebody from the chat room inside of I Cam. Let's see if I can boot

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Randy. I See you, Randy. Yeah. I

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think there is a way. Everybody's saying we're It's just easier

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on YouTube. It's just easier. Everybody's saying we're all low, and I don't know that

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there is a way to boost this whole thing.

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I'll just get up on the mic. That will will help. We do. I'll tell

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you what. This is how we'll make everything louder. We have a now here's the

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fun thing. When you're rusty is

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Jeff says, you know, when it comes to those, they're pesky, aren't

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they? That dang pornish chatters. Yes. Uh-huh. So

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it was fun. Oh, they call them pornish game hens. Right? I think that's

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the I think that's the name of them. But, Ralph from ask

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ralphpodcast.com had sent a video in

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this morning. And I thought, oh, and I went in and I

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googled, how do you share a video on Ecamm and kinda got

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it to work after the picture and picture and the and I went, you know

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what? I think this will work. And that's when I went, you know what? We

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know how to do audio comments really easy,

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and I hope I get no notifications while I do this. But here is Ralph's

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question. It's a good one. We're gonna end up I've noticed this now, Jim. No

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matter what we wanna do, we're gonna end up talking about

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YouTube. It's just Yay. Yay. It's just it's just the way it is. But

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here's Ralph. Alright. Here's a question for the ask the

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podcast coach today because I might not be able to make the whole show today

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because it's almost April 15th, and my business is busy today.

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But here's the question. I recently released my podcast

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now on video on YouTube and Rumble. And my question

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for the 2 of you guys is should I really make a

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strong focus to do more slides and things

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like that to put on the YouTube and Rumble channel? I don't really see that

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this will make a negative impact on the podcasting audio

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side, but I just wanted to get your guys' thoughts because I'm really pushing

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this, and I see my YouTube and Rumble audience growing.

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And if I'm seeing growth there, it makes sense to invest in that. So just

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give me some ideas, and what do you think the best way to proceed is?

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Okay. So a couple things behind the scenes because Ralph's a member of the School

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of Podcasting. His show is typically 10 minutes or less.

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And one of the reasons his show is growing is because there's a

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thing on YouTube I didn't know about where you can basically buy

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not buying views, but you kinda are. It's a little bit like a Facebook

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boost, which never do a Facebook boost. But, yeah,

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Doctor says we're only getting the audio, not the video. Yes. That was I did

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I never not finish my point? I probably not. The reason I stuck with

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audio is because I know how to do it. When I when I was kinda

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like, I think I can do the video, I was like, you know what? But

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I do know how to do the audio, and we don't really need the video.

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And so he is he did pay for sponsorship or some sort of

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boosting promotion thing on YouTube. So not that his content wouldn't grow it

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anyway, but the reason it's growing is because he's paying for it

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potentially. He's getting more views with that. And Chris says,

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hey. Rumble views are extremely low. Yeah. He he did say that.

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But he's also Ralph is, the reason he's busy, by the way, is

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because he he's a tax accountant. He's he's an accountant, but he does

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taxes. But she would do my taxes. I still have to do them. Yeah. I've

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been for That's what I've been doing in the law. Oh, jeez. And so

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the, but his thing is it's kind of

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taxing and accounting business advice for

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people and businesses from a Christian perspective. And I'm like,

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well, from what I understand, if you're leaning right,

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which most Christians do, but not always, don't wanna paint with that wider brush,

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you know, rumble might be where you wanna be. But getting back to the

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original question, so he started he he does a daily show, so they're

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short. He started putting them on YouTube. What do you know? There's more

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content on YouTube, so he started growing. And he's like, hey. Should I

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now start putting slides in my video?

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And I was like, because it's only 10 minutes. And here's

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my thing. Anything with video, if you've got the time and

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the budget, sure. If you're a tax

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accountant the week before April 15th

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you know, there was a in fact, let me tie this in with another question.

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Because I saw this and was like, well, I'm not really

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sure. Yeah. And they get really I

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mean, YouTube people get really nerdy. They're they're dropping

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names. Hey, guys. Of course. We're just looking for some advice

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and other people's experience as to changing settings regarding where the podcast

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is recorded. This isn't the one I was looking for. I was

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somebody said basically about the way they

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edit the show in the style of, like, Alibaba

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or somebody. I was like, wait. What? Yeah. Here we go.

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I've been so I have clients as yeah. So I have clients of mine

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for 6 months now. I do mostly repurposing of this long form videos

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from YouTube and repurposing them into shorts and reels. That seems to be

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what people are doing now. Yeah. Be on YouTube, but mainly be on YouTube so

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you can cut them into shorts. Right. Some of these reels become viral and some

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aren't. Welcome to YouTube. It's called an algorithm. I use the same editing

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style like Ali Abdul. Sorry, Ali. Never heard of you,

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but, okay, I'm assuming Ali does really good editing. So the first thing

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came to mind is because of the guest topic. But when I did

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the same guest and topic with different editing style, the one with

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minimal editing has more views and likes and comments than the one

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apparently that has all sorts of flashy stuff. My question is

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more likely a survey for seasoned podcasters. Which

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editing do you prefer? The one with lots of editing animations

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or the minimal approach? Your feedback is appreciated. And

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so kinda going back to to Ralph's question in

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this, is it just me, or it seems like

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they're kinda focusing on the icing and not the cake?

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Like, if it's good content and you're just it's a talking head,

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crap. Something buck. There's a guy on YouTube that does

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microphone reviews. Tom, Tom Buck. I think that's his last

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name. Anyway, he talks into the microphone. Now he occasionally

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will switch camera angles, but for the most

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part, he's not doing anything too too crazy.

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And so when Ralph is saying, should I add slides?

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If he got time, sure. But in a way, it's kind of that's to

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me, that's kind of backwards. If I was just doing slides, I would

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go, should I do live video and and put my face

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there as opposed I've already got my face. I've gone as video as I can

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get. I'm a 100% video. Now do I want to put in slides? If I

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was gonna put anything, I I guess if I wanted to put icing on this,

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it might be b roll because that's I I think if we go I don't

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know. I'm I'm rambling, Jim. Thoughts? No. You're fine. You're at

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you're you're bringing up a lot of good points in the YouTube

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construction process. And, you know, you watch there's a couple different

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variety. Right? I mean, there's folks just doing stuff. There's,

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you know, highly produced stuff. There's AI created stuff.

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They're where they're using a lot of b roll. And I I still

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contend on YouTube. People follow people,

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and I think getting a personality out there is

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why I mean, everyone loves Joe Rogan because he's Joe

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Rogan. If I did Joe Rogan's exact show,

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it wouldn't be it wouldn't get the traction because I'm not Joe Rogan. I mean,

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they love Joe Rogan. They love his background. They love who he is and what

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he does, the way he interviews, all those kinds of things. Right? I think,

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yeah, put some slides. I mean, that's better than nothing. If you have a

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style that people like in their helpful slides,

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yeah, put them in there. Absolutely. But is that

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gonna you know, I don't know. Do it do it and try. See what

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happens. Experiment with it. That's the beauty of all of this is you can

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you can give it a shot and and give it a try and see see

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what works. I was I was in a I was in a podcast meeting this

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week at work, and we're kinda questioning everything right now, which is good.

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it's like, do we tie our shoes to the left, or we tie them to

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the right? You know? And you're kinda like, oh, we don't need to question everything,

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but we are. And, and so I was in a in a podcast meeting, and

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we were talking about and and one of the podcasts we do has these

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varying topics. And and somebody was making a

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comment, nothing's consistent. It can't ever be the same. We're

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interviewing different people all the time with different backgrounds and different topics.

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And I didn't say it, but I wish I would've said, hello, Joe Rogan.

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Like, Rogan is not there's not one consistent thing except

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him and maybe him smoking weed in the podcast

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or cigars. I I always come back to

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people want to follow people. You need to

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be interesting. Right? You need to have an opinion. You need to have

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a personality. You need to be consistent with it, and people need to

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like you. Now that has a that has a asterisk on it

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because some people like to watch things that they don't like the person on.

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a thing. Right? People, like, they'll watch it and then complain about it, and then

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they'll come back the next week and watch it again. You see this on YouTube

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all the time. Virgin River on Netflix is the dumbest show ever where they have

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Netflix is the dumbest show ever where they have

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drama. Like, what do you mean you

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farted in church? I can't I don't know if I can forgive

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you for this. And I'm like, really? It's, but I watched that

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show to make sure it's still stupid and

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dumb. And I wanna punch that one woman in the face because

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her drama is so, yeah, I get the whole people watch

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things because they, you know Yeah. They watch it for people. Yeah.

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And they wanna they like, the we listen. We have 30 people or whatever it

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is in our chat room right now. And this is the same thing on the

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podcast that I do at Gallup. We get people that come out to join us

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live. They're joining us, and I I don't wanna sound no. I'm

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just gonna say it. You guys like hanging out with us. You like us

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in most cases. You know, bangs, naughty bits may have been an

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exception. Right. The the you know, most of you like

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hanging out with us. That's why you're here. When either one of us are gone,

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we hear about that, those kinds of things. Welcome back when you're here. We missed

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you. That kind of stuff. You like hanging out with us. So

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be more than than gimmicks

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on your podcasts, be interesting.

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Be an approachable, interesting person who

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people like. And and I think and then and that's you, by the way, because

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you can't sustain that. You can't sustain a fake person very long. We have

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somebody who wants to chime you. We have somebody who wants to chime in on

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that. Glenn, go go right ahead, Glenn. Don't be boring.

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There you go. Yeah. But no. Right on. Well and I would reverse that and

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say, just be interesting. You know? Be interesting in your

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way. Be you. Be who you

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are. Yeah. The the one you'll attract to people who are interested in that, and

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the ones that don't like it will go away, generally. Yeah. So yeah. I

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for the cake. Exact well, I don't know that I would add

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slides. To me, that I think that's a step backwards. But

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Well, you know you try. Try it. Yeah. Try it. And then, you know what?

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Say, give him give me some feedback in the comments. Hey. I'm doing this thing

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new. I'm trying this on YouTube. Give me some feedback in the comments.

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It's if you don't get any comments or the numbers don't go up, just stop

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doing it because that's a that's a huge waste of time then at that point.

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I don't know many people who are putting on YouTube videos and lose

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just just to listen to them. So I, again, I I don't

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know. It depends on the audience. Well, that back to, you know, coach

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Dave. I has to agree. My answer to this question is, it

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kinda depends. Yeah. Yeah. As always, it does. I

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I was at Podcast Movement, and I'm I'm just

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so tired of YouTube because people are

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saying people are discovering video podcasts on YouTube.

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And to me, a video podcast is a YouTube.

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So they're saying, people are watching more YouTube on

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YouTube. And, oh, by the way, we're going to cure cancer.

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We are going to do your laundry. We will, you know,

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free sexual favors to all. It's just it's YouTube will do everything.

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And I'm just like, no. Dan, here's one. Dan, I tried

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YouTube promotion thing for an episode just to see. Got rejected for

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being political for a war history episode. There's your

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algorithm. There's your brand safety. Congratulations.

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Ugh. Brand safety. Don't get me going. Let's see here. Speaking

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of shorts, Jeff says, the king of creating shorts for

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podcast is at castahead. Yeah. Castahead.net, if I remember right. The

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one and only Chris Stone, member of the School of Podcasting. If you haven't checked

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out his channel, you need to I I, by the way, just embellish that. So

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some of that was Jeff and some of that was me. Chris does great work.

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Gary Stockton says, I like to mix up podcast interviewing using Stream

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Deck in Ecamm. The problem is he's not doing interviews. It's just Ralph,

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being Ralph talking about taxes, and he changes on like, on

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Wednesday, it's it's wacky Wednesday. And Sundays, he does something a little

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more spiritual. And then here we go. I don't know who

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Ali Abdaal is, but according to Craig, he has great content

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and engaging editing. So here's the thing, though.

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I I think we see this a lot. And and tell me if I'm wrong.

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It seems like we're not doing the Wayne Gretzky. Everybody knows the

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the great Wayne Gretzky, the hockey guy. And he had this quote. They

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said, how how do you score so many points? And he goes,

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most people skate to the puck. I skate to

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where the puck is going to be. And so I think so

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many of us see Ali Abdaal, and they're like, oh,

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this guy's famous. Look what he's doing. I'm gonna do what he's

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doing. So we're skating at the puck instead of,

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like, okay. That's gonna like, remember when audiograms first came

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out? We're like, oh, this is a everybody. Everybody do audiograms.

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Come on. Get on. This is the thing that's gonna give us 10,000 downloads. Come

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on. On. And then all of a sudden, we all went, yeah. It's a squiggly

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line. Like, I'm in Ohio. We got the, the

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big eclipse thing coming up here. And, like, on the news, they're

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like, lock down the house. Thousands of people are coming here because it's

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gonna get dark in the middle of the afternoon. And I'm like, yeah. Okay.

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So, You know? But I I I had a thought.

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Oh, it's no big deal. Right? And No. It's just funny. It's gonna get dark

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in the middle of the afternoon. Is it? That's really I mean, because

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to me, like, what is it? Well, the the the moon and the earth, and

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all of a sudden about 3 o'clock is gonna get dark. And I'm like, and

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this is a big deal. I get it because it normally doesn't get dark in

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the middle of the afternoon, but I'm like, why are thousands of people

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driving from Florida to go to Ohio to put

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on how much money was made on the cheap sunglasses.

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And then, b, the forecast is it's going to be overcast, so

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we might not be able to see it. So that's kind of fun.

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But yeah. So give it a shot. You know, if you

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have the time, do it. I'm just not sure.

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And this is where like, that guy there with the editing. If people are

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losing subscribers unless that was it.

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There's one of the questions I I picked, I can't find it. The guy changed

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his background. Like, he changed from one office to another

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one. And he's like, I'm losing subscribers. And I'm

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like, so and I'm like, unless your background is a bunch

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of backlight that is hard to look at or you've got blood and gut,

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something that's just disturbing to look at, I don't know that

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your background has a lot to do with to me,

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that is, again, icing. Now granted, when we eat cake, we

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eat we eat cake for the icing, but I just think some of

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this stuff I go, I don't think if if the cake is no

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good, if there's no good ingredients, you know, better

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ingredients, better pizza. Right? Papa John's. And I'm like

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so I I I think sometimes we get focused. There were I'm here to tell

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you, there were no less than 10 questions about microphones.

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And I'm like, I I don't think that's it. You know?

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I do. I I've gotten a resurgence, excuse me, in questions

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from folks about microphones lately. And I don't

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know what caused it, but all of a sudden, everybody's like, hey. You've

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been talking for a long time about improving your sound by using a better

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microphone. Can you walk me through that process? So I wonder sometimes if

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those come in waves. Yeah. I think I think,

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Dave, give it a try. Like, I don't let

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us determine what your show becomes. You do it the way you

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wanna do it. Make it fun. If you wanna add the slides, if you think

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they add value and you get feedback that they do great, you get feedback

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that your background is causing people to be disengaged, well,

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consider changing your background. Here's the deal, though. You're never gonna please

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everybody. So you're always gonna get somebody that says you know, I

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at work all the time. When I podcast from home, my audience likes

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this background. They tell me this all the time. And when I go to

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work, it's that gray. It says gallop. You know, it's like the corporate

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background that we put in. And my the guy who built the studio

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thought that would be super cool. And it does kinda look cool in person.

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Doesn't look great on camera, and the audience doesn't like it. And they tell

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me all the time. So I think we're gonna we're gonna change up the background

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there. It just looks a little sterile. You know? But you can't as

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you listen. You will chase your tail till the till the end

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of days if you try to make everybody happy

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and please everyone with the feedback. At some point, you just

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gotta do do what works for you and and, and let the chips fall.

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Remind me of that later to talk about my I'm gonna re

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well, I'm I'm launching the one show about the website, and and that's

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fun. But they're saying in the chat here what they're doing. Ralph says, I do

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some interviews as well. Just did one with Mark from practicalprepping.info,

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and he's done one with Craig. So what this would look like is this would

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be ask the podcast coach where I do my thing. And then when Jim has

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something to say, I do this. And then Jim talks,

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and then I talk, and then Jim talks. And then maybe occasionally do

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the split, and then back to Jim, you know, that whole 9 yards. And I

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and what that does is it makes your brain you know, I'm I'm sure

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Chris again from castahead.net, there is a a

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thing that, like, the whole jump cut thing. Your brain goes, hey, what was that?

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What you know, so when all of a sudden something changes, all of a sudden

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your brain's like, wait. What? What's that? Holy cow. What? You know? So I

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get that it does help hold attention, but

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there is a part of me that goes, yeah, but I could sit here all

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day and go, blue. It's blue, I tell you. Let's talk

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about blue. It's one of my favorite colors. Actually, one of my favorite colors is

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black, but it's purple, and now it's blue. And you're like, yeah.

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If if the content is boring, it doesn't matter how much camera switching

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you do. It's you know? Again, what is it, Glenn? What

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did you say? Don't be boring. Yeah. Don't be boring.

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So I I think that's it. See? And, Chris, now we're making people

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hungry. Chris is like, I want some red velvet cake. Me

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too. See, I'm not a fan of the red velvet. Oh, yeah. Give me chocolate

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all the time. Eat any cake right now. I'd eat any anything. And I hope

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I am louder now. I am looking at VU meters, and according to the VU

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meter on the RODECaster Pro Mini, whatever

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the little baby one is, I'm actually louder than Jim now.

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So, What if there's a final out somewhere in

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the Ecamm that is misbalanced or something.

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Because we get this feedback. Oh, you know what? I can check that here. Let's

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do that. Okay. So now you talk, Jim. Hello? 1, 2,

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3, 5, 7, 7. Am considerably lower. So let's turn

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interview channel. I am on the RODECaster deal chat. Sorry,

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people watching the video. There you go. There you go. More things. I

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as I say, more equipment, more problems. That's always fun.

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One thing that's happened for us is, YouTube shorts are

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driving new subscribers, so we'll continue to make short outtake

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videos. That seems to be the biggest reason to be

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on YouTube now. And then this is the marketing strategy I

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see is cut up YouTube shorts. I'm here to tell you

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anytime I click on shorts, how many shorts do you watch when you go

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to watch 1 YouTube shorts, Jim? Oh, a bunch. Yeah. A bunch. I

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click on 1, and I watch no less than 5.

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And it's usually about for me, it's that was a bad

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one. That was a bad one. Okay. What's the next

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one? I'm not really interested in the guitar right now. Next. And all of a

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sudden, I'd be like, nah. Okay. But if one of those hits, I'll be like,

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okay. It's there's a show

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on Netflix, and I was watching it because, a,

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again, word-of-mouth. Here, I don't want people to get bored. I'm gonna switch channels to

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me. I was watching it on, Netflix, and

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and it's called The Night Agent, and I like it. I

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had 3 people say, oh, that's a good show. You should watch it. I just

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got done bingeing it. And the whole number 1,

435
00:26:44,125 --> 00:26:47,485
it comes out and grabs you by the neck because you're like, wait. This guy

436
00:26:47,485 --> 00:26:51,320
works for the FBI, and there's, you know, they they have

437
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,720
a good opening scene to where you're like, wait, what's and that's the whole thing.

438
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,080
The whole thing is like, wait, what? Who is this guy? What's he

439
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,695
doing? It's the it's it's the whole thing is just, like, wanna know what

440
00:27:01,695 --> 00:27:05,455
happens next, and who is this, and why is this? And then I

441
00:27:05,455 --> 00:27:09,150
laughed because about 3 fourths the way through,

442
00:27:09,370 --> 00:27:13,130
you're like, okay. We're just getting to the story. And it turns

443
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:16,925
out that his dad was accused of of being a traitor.

444
00:27:16,985 --> 00:27:20,585
His dad was in the FBI, and he wasn't a traitor. I'm like, okay. So

445
00:27:20,585 --> 00:27:24,250
we know along the line of the story, we're gonna figure out what really

446
00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:28,010
happened with his dad. And so anything that

447
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:31,310
can get your audience, you know, here's a here's a little breadcrumb.

448
00:27:31,530 --> 00:27:35,075
Okay. Keep coming. Keep coming. Here's another little breadcrumb. Oh, but,

449
00:27:35,555 --> 00:27:39,235
now you need to know about that one. It's in terms of storytelling, I can

450
00:27:39,235 --> 00:27:42,840
see why people thought it was good, because you wanna know what happens next.

451
00:27:43,059 --> 00:27:46,519
And then this, they get in a situation

452
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:50,315
where he's basically being someone's bodyguard, which I

453
00:27:50,315 --> 00:27:53,195
liked it the first time in the movie called what was it again? Oh, that's

454
00:27:53,195 --> 00:27:56,794
right. The bodyguard. Because it just it just so happens that he's

455
00:27:56,794 --> 00:27:59,850
extremely handsome, and the person that he is bodyguarding

456
00:28:00,550 --> 00:28:03,270
is is pretty attractive as well. So the whole time, you're like, oh, are we

457
00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:06,710
gonna do a moonlighting? And wonder the whole time, are they gonna hook up or

458
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:10,495
not? And it just the whole time I'm laughing going, I really like this, and

459
00:28:10,495 --> 00:28:13,695
I know why I like this. I see what you're doing there. You're getting me

460
00:28:13,695 --> 00:28:17,509
wondering what's going on. And so if you need something to watch, it's

461
00:28:17,509 --> 00:28:21,210
it's fun, but it's and then you wonder, oh, is she gonna trust him?

462
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:24,625
Because she doesn't know. It's yeah. Okay. Enough of that, Dave. We get it. But

463
00:28:24,785 --> 00:28:28,545
anytime you can anytime you can get your audience going, I wonder what

464
00:28:28,545 --> 00:28:32,225
happens next. Like, I'm sure with Dan on his show, when I've

465
00:28:32,225 --> 00:28:36,050
listened to it, he does a little bit of, like, wait. What? You know, that's

466
00:28:36,050 --> 00:28:39,650
information I couldn't get any place else. And I thought in the movie did this,

467
00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:43,375
and they're like, wait. Well, what's then what really happened? And so

468
00:28:43,375 --> 00:28:46,975
it gets you sucked in. So that's that's what gets people

469
00:28:46,975 --> 00:28:50,650
not that's what gets people talking about your content. I'm gonna I don't

470
00:28:50,650 --> 00:28:54,490
have the clip ready now, but in my, there's a guy named Rick

471
00:28:54,490 --> 00:28:58,155
Beato. Being a musician, I watch his stuff, and he will go

472
00:28:58,155 --> 00:29:01,755
in and, like, why is this song good? He talks a lot about the

473
00:29:01,755 --> 00:29:05,549
music business because he used to be a producer and how he

474
00:29:05,549 --> 00:29:09,230
did this one with a guy. And this is where I always wanna go remember

475
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:12,909
people, Spotify is run by the music business. There there's a

476
00:29:12,909 --> 00:29:16,315
major ownership of that. And at one point, they're talking

477
00:29:16,315 --> 00:29:20,155
about how musicians come to them all the time. They're like, how do I

478
00:29:20,155 --> 00:29:23,990
get more listeners? How do I get more fans? And their answer

479
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:27,670
was, make a extremely good record. Like,

480
00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:31,415
that's really where you gotta start. And nobody likes

481
00:29:31,415 --> 00:29:34,795
that answer. But, you know, I remember when

482
00:29:35,415 --> 00:29:38,395
did did you remember the the black album from Metallica?

483
00:29:39,299 --> 00:29:42,980
Mm-mm. No. That that's the one it had. You're not a Metallica person? No.

484
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:46,740
When it came out, just the sound of it. The sound of that album was

485
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:50,055
like it just sounded huge. It sounded like music

486
00:29:50,115 --> 00:29:53,895
Godzilla would walk into, and I was like, oh, this is amazing.

487
00:29:54,435 --> 00:29:57,555
And then I listened to it over and over and over, and everybody that liked

488
00:29:57,555 --> 00:30:01,230
that kind of music is like, have you got the Black Album yet? And, you

489
00:30:01,230 --> 00:30:04,909
know so here again, a really, really good album. So

490
00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:08,975
Well that helps. David, I think one of the things you know, you think

491
00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:12,654
about, taking a chance on your podcast,

492
00:30:12,654 --> 00:30:16,115
changing a format, doing something different, trying something Metallica. You know?

493
00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:20,539
Trying something new with it. And we we listen. The the

494
00:30:20,539 --> 00:30:24,380
examples we always pull from where that's super successful, you know, what do they say?

495
00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:28,144
History is written by the victors. Right? And sometimes

496
00:30:28,765 --> 00:30:32,445
what we think is best case or best scenario, they, of

497
00:30:32,445 --> 00:30:35,585
course, are always drawn in by those who were successful,

498
00:30:36,269 --> 00:30:39,950
but there have been plenty of attempts to do things that

499
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:43,629
haven't been successful. New Coke is an example of one of

500
00:30:43,629 --> 00:30:47,275
those things where a multibillion dollar organization. Yeah. Did a whole

501
00:30:47,275 --> 00:30:51,115
bunch of research, thought they were doing the right thing,

502
00:30:51,115 --> 00:30:54,635
were competing with Pepsi at the time, and thought, you know what? We're gonna do

503
00:30:54,635 --> 00:30:58,460
something. We've had an old formula, right, kind of thing. They honestly

504
00:30:58,460 --> 00:31:01,740
thought they were doing the right thing, you know, for for what they what they

505
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:05,495
were doing, and it was terrible. And so but they learned. They brought

506
00:31:05,495 --> 00:31:09,035
the they brought original Coke back super fast.

507
00:31:09,175 --> 00:31:12,880
And and yeah. You just don't know. So I think you've

508
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,400
got to always be willing to try to, you

509
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,700
know, experiment, do things new, do something different,

510
00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:23,605
but also be able to go to pull back on something if it doesn't work.

511
00:31:23,605 --> 00:31:27,304
You know, you try something and you're like, yeah, this doesn't work

512
00:31:27,539 --> 00:31:31,380
to be able to, to backtrack and say, okay. Yeah. That that wasn't as

513
00:31:31,380 --> 00:31:35,195
good. But all that being said, if you're doing

514
00:31:35,195 --> 00:31:38,715
your podcast for you and things you like to

515
00:31:38,715 --> 00:31:42,414
do, your audience wants you to do something you don't wanna do,

516
00:31:42,554 --> 00:31:45,549
don't do it. You know? That's a

517
00:31:47,230 --> 00:31:50,909
stick with what you know, it's this it's this dance. At the end

518
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:53,789
of the day, you have to decide what do I want out of this thing

519
00:31:53,789 --> 00:31:57,595
at the end of the day. Well, that's it. And here's an

520
00:31:57,595 --> 00:32:01,275
example. I cannot well, it's it's kind of weird. These are

521
00:32:01,275 --> 00:32:04,890
from Mark. Right? So we we kind of did this before where

522
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:08,270
everybody said, hey, we like the artwork design. We just don't like the colors.

523
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:11,530
So I sent out a form. I guess I could put this in the chat

524
00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:14,915
room as well, but I got 60 replies on

525
00:32:14,915 --> 00:32:18,515
this. Right? And so we've got blue. We've got red. We got

526
00:32:18,515 --> 00:32:21,710
white. We got one. I love the fact that the mouse is still hanging around.

527
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:25,310
I was a big fan of the mouse. And the one that is winning the

528
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:29,045
most right now, unfortunately, by 31%, is none

529
00:32:29,045 --> 00:32:32,845
of the above. Like, when they look at this and I was like, ah,

530
00:32:32,845 --> 00:32:36,365
crap. Sorry, Mark. Yeah. I was like, mhmm. Bummer. And

531
00:32:36,365 --> 00:32:39,750
so I I like the fact that this guy said, I like e,

532
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:43,890
but with your name on the bottom, a blue stripe with white lettering. And whoever

533
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:47,264
and that's not me, by the way, but that's my answer. I like the mousey

534
00:32:47,264 --> 00:32:50,304
thing. I would like to see the mouse, and this is probably one of my

535
00:32:50,304 --> 00:32:53,524
Excel Mark. Take the mousey example, which is e,

536
00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:57,250
and merge it with somehow if we can get I like the dark blue with

537
00:32:57,250 --> 00:33:00,690
the white letters. I think that looks cool. I'm not a huge fan of all

538
00:33:00,690 --> 00:33:03,905
the screens. I get it. And I do we need my name? Because if you

539
00:33:03,905 --> 00:33:07,745
think about it, the author of the podcast is gonna say Dave Jackson. So

540
00:33:07,745 --> 00:33:11,105
do we need it on the website? So I kinda like this or take

541
00:33:11,105 --> 00:33:14,900
this with the, the mouse and the your podcast website. Put

542
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,880
that over here, get rid of the screens, and put the gray on the bottom.

543
00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:22,005
And I think and here's the thing. On one hand, I've, for almost

544
00:33:22,005 --> 00:33:25,605
a month now, been asking people, what do they like? What do they

545
00:33:25,605 --> 00:33:29,125
like? Because the one that's getting the most that's not none of the

546
00:33:29,125 --> 00:33:32,870
above is d, which

547
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:36,550
is this one. White background, blue. So

548
00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:40,034
red, white, and blue, basically. And but I just

549
00:33:40,255 --> 00:33:43,455
this is one of those where I'm like, yeah, but I really like the mouse.

550
00:33:43,455 --> 00:33:46,560
I think the mouse is cute. I like the idea of the mouse. Thought if

551
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,680
we just made that dark blue on the background with like, if I combine this,

552
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,360
your website, with the mouse, I think I'm done. Because I

553
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,105
really wanna get this podcast going. I don't know.

554
00:33:57,164 --> 00:34:00,865
So here's my thoughts. The is it stupid then to ask your audience

555
00:34:00,924 --> 00:34:04,600
only to then ignore them? Because they I

556
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,820
this did rank okay. It's it's not you know,

557
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,040
unfortunately, none of the above is is winning, but this was

558
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,625
in, like, the top 3. And I was like, well, I don't

559
00:34:15,625 --> 00:34:19,304
know. I feel kind of silly. What if these if what if

560
00:34:19,304 --> 00:34:22,969
these were tight jeans? Like, tight or what are the skinny skinny

561
00:34:22,969 --> 00:34:26,170
pants? Is that what they call them? Skinny jeans? Skinny jeans. Here we go. And

562
00:34:26,170 --> 00:34:30,010
and your audience said to you, Dave, what we really wanna do is

563
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:33,835
see you in skinny jeans all the time. And you are, like, I'm

564
00:34:33,835 --> 00:34:37,355
not gonna wear skinny jeans. Like, I'm not I'm not gonna the audience is, like

565
00:34:37,435 --> 00:34:40,735
but we would really love to to see you. In comparison. Yeah.

566
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,320
So I think, yeah, this is one of those cases for you too. At

567
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,080
the end of the day, you've gotta you gotta live with this logo. It may

568
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,875
not be the most popular one that the audience picked, but

569
00:34:52,875 --> 00:34:56,715
if you like it, I think go with it. If you if you're

570
00:34:56,715 --> 00:34:59,420
in a situation where, like, you know what, I can go with what the audience

571
00:34:59,420 --> 00:35:02,860
says. I don't particularly like it, but they did. Go that

572
00:35:02,860 --> 00:35:06,705
direction. I'm not sure it's a make or break for you. That's probably it. I'm

573
00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:09,925
not sure. You know what? Right. You nailed it, Jim Collison.

574
00:35:10,465 --> 00:35:14,085
This is I'd see. This is where you're too close to the trees

575
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:18,530
to see the forest or however that stupid saying goes. This is a

576
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:22,290
classic example of overthinking. Really. Because in

577
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:25,885
the end you know what I mean? So, yeah, I just need to pull the

578
00:35:25,885 --> 00:35:29,325
trigger, go to town on that, and then we got some

579
00:35:29,325 --> 00:35:32,765
comments on this already. Where did Craig go? I had

580
00:35:32,765 --> 00:35:35,470
it. We did get some great stuff with,

581
00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:40,270
Well, again, on that logo, think about New Coke. Like, they

582
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:43,964
had all these Yeah. Yeah. They had all these indicators that

583
00:35:43,964 --> 00:35:47,484
this is what people wanted, and they followed it, and then the

584
00:35:47,484 --> 00:35:51,240
people rebelled. And they said, you know? Yeah. It's

585
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,020
true. And so right? I mean but they did make a decision.

586
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,715
I mean, they could've they could've they know now. Right?

587
00:35:58,715 --> 00:36:02,555
Don't change the formula. They know that now. And and, yes, we've

588
00:36:02,715 --> 00:36:05,615
this is an example we always bring up, but it because it was huge.

589
00:36:06,609 --> 00:36:09,570
So I I think go with what you like. If you're comfortable with it, make

590
00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:12,369
that decision. I'm, like, go go with the audience or what I like. Then if

591
00:36:12,369 --> 00:36:15,744
you launched it and it was a terrible decision, you've got Mark's other

592
00:36:15,744 --> 00:36:18,944
things. You can always just swap it back out. Yeah. I could say, let's go

593
00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:22,484
back. Did you throw away that? Yeah. That's true. And I just

594
00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:26,500
I just had Craig's point. And this is something that

595
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:29,640
I am uncomfortable where'd it go?

596
00:36:30,435 --> 00:36:34,195
See, everybody's chatting. Here we go. Craig says Oh, they wanna see you in

597
00:36:34,195 --> 00:36:37,795
skinny jeans is what That's it. Of course. I wanna see me in skinny

598
00:36:37,795 --> 00:36:41,609
jeans. Well, we could go into a whole jeans tyrant,

599
00:36:41,609 --> 00:36:45,450
but I won't. Craig says your name reinforces your brand,

600
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:49,295
and you're very very well known in the podcasting space. And this is

601
00:36:49,295 --> 00:36:53,135
something that my brain has a hard time grasping. I

602
00:36:53,135 --> 00:36:56,690
remember once I was in a mastermind, and he said, Dave, you know what your

603
00:36:56,690 --> 00:37:00,530
problem is? And I go, what? He goes, you don't know you're Dave Jackson. And

604
00:37:00,530 --> 00:37:04,369
I go, like, what? And, like, he goes, no, man. Like and I went

605
00:37:04,369 --> 00:37:07,875
to, Kevin Schmidlin had a a

606
00:37:07,875 --> 00:37:11,635
webinar, 4 hour thing on, you know, growing your podcast. And I I like

607
00:37:11,635 --> 00:37:15,200
Kevin. He's I I don't consider him competition because he's going after a completely

608
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,800
different audience guy. But I went in not for the content,

609
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,575
although the content towards the end, especially, the beginning was kind of, you

610
00:37:22,575 --> 00:37:26,415
know, stuff for everybody. Towards the end, it was some good stuff. I went

611
00:37:26,415 --> 00:37:30,010
in there to watch the chat room. I wanted to see what the questions

612
00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:33,550
were that people were getting. So because one, I think

613
00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:37,265
somebody he works with kind of went, why are you here? And I said, I'm

614
00:37:37,265 --> 00:37:41,025
just here to lurk. Like, I'm just really looking at the chat room. I

615
00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:44,660
would never poach Kevin's, you know, potential clients. I know people have

616
00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:48,340
come here to this this chat room and poached clients, and I think

617
00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:52,029
that's, oh, I want a curse. It's not nice to poach other

618
00:37:52,029 --> 00:37:55,851
people's clients, and and you will get banned for that if you openly do that.

619
00:37:55,851 --> 00:37:59,309
At least do what everybody else does and send them a DM. You know, you

620
00:37:59,309 --> 00:38:03,069
could always get your own show. But, anyway, that's a

621
00:38:03,069 --> 00:38:06,210
thought. But

622
00:38:08,065 --> 00:38:11,685
but I I love this rant. This is awesome. Yeah. So,

623
00:38:12,785 --> 00:38:16,599
but and I forget why I was talking about Kevin. Oh, crap. See,

624
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:20,200
I I derailed myself. Sorry. My laughing threw you off.

625
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,025
No. Crap. What were we talking about? Oh, I was I went

626
00:38:24,025 --> 00:38:27,785
over there to to watch questions, not really to poach. Yeah.

627
00:38:27,785 --> 00:38:31,385
And going back to rebranding, since we're on I'll take

628
00:38:31,385 --> 00:38:34,810
rebranding for 200. I, I just did episode

629
00:38:34,810 --> 00:38:38,570
500. Somebody on the chat room were like, you were talking about this, Dave. Oh,

630
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:42,170
thank you. I just did episode 500 of the podcast rodeo

631
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:45,935
show. And for years, I've been saying that really needs rebranded.

632
00:38:46,315 --> 00:38:49,355
And then my audience was kinda like, no, no, it's fun. It's cute. I'm like,

633
00:38:49,355 --> 00:38:52,740
yeah. But in terms of, like, does it pass the Dave test, which

634
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:55,940
is, hey, I'm doing a show called podcast rodeo show. What do you think it's

635
00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:59,539
about? And everybody goes, the rodeo? And I go, nope,

636
00:38:59,539 --> 00:39:03,214
sorry. That's not what it's about. And then I put on, like, first

637
00:39:03,214 --> 00:39:06,894
impression reviews, and I thought about it. I thought what I should rename the

638
00:39:06,894 --> 00:39:10,680
show is podcast hot seat. He's like, that's kinda that seems

639
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,799
to me I don't know. What do you think, Jim? Is that obvious enough? That

640
00:39:13,799 --> 00:39:17,345
sounds more like the hot wings show where they bring people on and eat hot

641
00:39:17,505 --> 00:39:21,345
wings to me. Like, they're on it's like a person on the hot seat. Well

642
00:39:21,425 --> 00:39:25,200
And I get it. I get what you're saying there. My thought. So we'll

643
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,960
we'll throw this out and brainstorm together. So

644
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,940
it's me, and then I bring on maybe 2

645
00:39:32,635 --> 00:39:36,395
tops 3, because this show is normally 15 minutes. So that's the first

646
00:39:36,395 --> 00:39:39,455
thing I have to get my head around. I'm blowing out the format.

647
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:43,089
Right? And this used to be a short show that took no time. That was

648
00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:46,849
the whole premise of it. I'm not doing any research. I'm listening to 5

649
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:49,325
minutes of your show and then saying this is what I liked and this is

650
00:39:49,325 --> 00:39:53,025
what I didn't. And as a marketing tool,

651
00:39:53,085 --> 00:39:56,445
it has failed miserably. It has brought 0 well, I shouldn't

652
00:39:56,445 --> 00:40:00,230
say maybe a handful of clients to the School of Podcasting.

653
00:40:00,369 --> 00:40:03,890
So, Dave, why did you keep on doing it? Because it was fun. Alright. Is

654
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:07,375
it not fun as it used to be? Kinda. Because I I can't

655
00:40:07,375 --> 00:40:11,135
remember the last time I said I like this show. It's all like

656
00:40:11,214 --> 00:40:14,994
and, like, I just listened to LeBron James has a new pod a new podcast

657
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:19,130
where his website is, of course, the YouTube. Right? There's

658
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:22,570
no website for the actual podcast. I listened to 10 minutes of this

659
00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:26,215
thing and never heard the voice of LeBron James. So that

660
00:40:26,215 --> 00:40:29,994
got the old, like, hey. Now if you're if you're a basketball

661
00:40:30,055 --> 00:40:33,720
player and you wanna talk serious, like, level

662
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,099
3, like, podcast or basketball

663
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,025
strategy on how to play and how to guard, that's the show for

664
00:40:41,025 --> 00:40:44,725
you. I liked it for that. Like, early in, they started talking serious

665
00:40:45,105 --> 00:40:48,750
basketball jargon. But I just, like, I I I just seem

666
00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:52,030
like I'm I wanna get a T shirt that says curmudgeon on it because it

667
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:55,410
just seems like everything I do is just, oh, here's that old guy.

668
00:40:55,724 --> 00:40:59,484
You know. So my thought was getting back to that, man, I'm really

669
00:40:59,484 --> 00:41:03,325
all over the place today. You are wound up. Yeah. Yeah. I like it.

670
00:41:03,325 --> 00:41:06,990
Well, I missed the show. Have maybe maybe 3 people,

671
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:10,210
probably 2. So if we could listen to 10 minutes of each show,

672
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:14,005
although and then so it'd be like this. Alright. Jim's here. You

673
00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:17,845
know, Ralph's here. Craig's here from Live Well and Flourish, and

674
00:41:17,845 --> 00:41:21,660
we're all gonna listen to each other's shows. So Jim has given me an episode,

675
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:25,340
so we start listening to Home Gadget Geeks. And if for some reason you

676
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:29,020
don't like it anymore, maybe I'd have to figure out. Maybe you you turn off

677
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:32,605
your camera if that was easy to do or something. That would be your way

678
00:41:32,605 --> 00:41:36,204
of going. Right? But as long as there are people and then

679
00:41:36,204 --> 00:41:39,990
eventually, when I determine, you know, it's enough of that, we're

680
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:43,349
5, 10 minutes in, then we stop and I ask you, Jim,

681
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:47,025
okay. On a scale from 1 to 10, what would you give the audio? On

682
00:41:47,025 --> 00:41:50,705
a scale then, you know, Jim, you you turned off your camera at,

683
00:41:50,945 --> 00:41:54,720
maybe there's something they hold up, a buzzer. I don't know something. And, you

684
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:58,500
know, you turned off your buzzer about 2 minutes in. What made you

685
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,840
bail? And then you could say, I don't know. I just wasn't getting anything out

686
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,355
of it. Blah blah blah. Okay. Was there anything you liked about so we basically

687
00:42:05,355 --> 00:42:08,635
then all go around and say, this is what I liked about the show. And

688
00:42:08,635 --> 00:42:12,210
if there is something that you would change, what would it then be? And

689
00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:15,890
so then, Jim Jim comments on it. I

690
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:19,410
comment it, and the other person comment. The person who show is just

691
00:42:19,410 --> 00:42:22,945
listening. Then we go to, you know, Ralph Show, and we listen a

692
00:42:22,945 --> 00:42:26,705
little of ask the Ralph ask ralphpodcast.com, and then

693
00:42:26,705 --> 00:42:30,500
Jim comments on it. You know, Lisa comments on it. I comment it.

694
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:34,339
Ralph listens. Repeat. Repeat. What's good? What's bad? Audio. Did you

695
00:42:34,339 --> 00:42:37,240
listen to the whole thing? And so you end up with

696
00:42:37,975 --> 00:42:41,735
4 podcast reviews. This would be done live on YouTube and

697
00:42:41,735 --> 00:42:45,435
then later turned into a podcast. What say you, Jim Collison?

698
00:42:45,495 --> 00:42:49,109
That's so here's what I'm thinking. A, it'd be I think it would be

699
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:52,950
good YouTube content even though, you know, we're not well, we

700
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:56,710
could. We could switch the serenes every time somebody talks just to keep people

701
00:42:56,710 --> 00:43:00,525
awake. So it'd be a live show. It's kind of the gong

702
00:43:00,525 --> 00:43:04,145
show in a way without putting the word gong in there.

703
00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:08,450
And in and then here's Ralph. I I threw this idea out, and Ralph

704
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:11,650
said what you should do because originally, I was gonna charge people to be on

705
00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:15,405
a panel because you're getting your podcast reviewed. Ralph said what you should

706
00:43:15,405 --> 00:43:18,585
do is anybody that agrees to be a panelist

707
00:43:19,205 --> 00:43:22,805
gets a free week, gets a free month, something at the School of

708
00:43:22,805 --> 00:43:26,590
Podcasting. And I went, That's

709
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:30,550
because now, instead of hoping they join the school of

710
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:34,155
podcasting, you just throw them in for free

711
00:43:34,375 --> 00:43:38,055
and then see how long they stick around. And I went, then talk about playing

712
00:43:38,055 --> 00:43:40,775
with something? I was like, I would like to test that one just to see

713
00:43:40,775 --> 00:43:43,589
how it would work. But I've talked a lot. Now I'm gonna shut up, and

714
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:46,950
I'm gonna switch Jim to a solo show so he can answer. Oh, don't don't

715
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:50,329
make me solo. I'm not I'm not comfortable solo.

716
00:43:52,075 --> 00:43:55,755
There's a I see a few problems in that kind of format. Well, one

717
00:43:55,755 --> 00:43:59,480
is Timing. In a review form. We no. No.

718
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,160
I think all that I actually, I think the way you go you're going

719
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,920
about it isn't as important as the why and and the who in

720
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,375
this case. So listen, people want a people want

721
00:44:10,375 --> 00:44:14,055
your opinion because you've been podcasting, you know,

722
00:44:14,055 --> 00:44:17,835
forever, and you've got, you know, you you this is what you do. Right?

723
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:21,050
So you have a you've you've got a reputation.

724
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:25,750
If you have other podcasters come on whom they may or may not know,

725
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:29,494
they may have not signed up for those folks. They don't know who

726
00:44:29,494 --> 00:44:33,035
they are nor do they really value their opinion. And so I'm not sure

727
00:44:33,734 --> 00:44:37,520
that a rotating panel of

728
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,280
podcasters is all that helpful. Listen. If you're doing this,

729
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,095
the Gong show worked not it worked because it

730
00:44:45,095 --> 00:44:48,934
was entertainment, not helpful. Mhmm. They no one

731
00:44:48,934 --> 00:44:52,714
was no one was on the Gong show to improve their comedy

732
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:56,550
or improve their music. It was just it was

733
00:44:56,550 --> 00:45:00,010
entertainment. Right? And they picked people on there

734
00:45:00,310 --> 00:45:04,105
to to be because in the at the end of the day, it was pure

735
00:45:04,105 --> 00:45:07,885
entertainment. I think you're trying to blend entertainment

736
00:45:08,025 --> 00:45:11,660
with helpfulness, and I'm not sure those 2

737
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:15,170
go together. This is why the rodeo show has a weird rub. It does have

738
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:18,994
a weird rub. Yeah. Because you're trying to be

739
00:45:18,994 --> 00:45:22,515
entertaining and interesting and helping people at the same

740
00:45:22,515 --> 00:45:26,270
time. And I don't know if those all work together.

741
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:30,030
Right? I don't know if that's a cocktail that you wanna mix up on a

742
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:33,790
regular basis. I think having a show where you bring people

743
00:45:33,790 --> 00:45:37,375
on to have a had to have a very serious conversation about the oops,

744
00:45:37,375 --> 00:45:40,355
sorry, about the quality of their of their podcast,

745
00:45:41,055 --> 00:45:44,850
is very valid. I think having a show

746
00:45:44,850 --> 00:45:48,070
where you make fun of other podcasts is very entertaining.

747
00:45:48,610 --> 00:45:52,194
I don't think you can mix the 2 together. Right? I that that

748
00:45:52,355 --> 00:45:56,115
my my personal opinion. No. That's a good well, that's always been you hit the

749
00:45:56,115 --> 00:45:59,680
nail on the head is when I first

750
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,440
started, I was tired when I was doing it, and I was much more

751
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,660
honest than I am now. I I now literally will take

752
00:46:07,565 --> 00:46:11,405
15 seconds to kinda come up where before I was just right, you

753
00:46:11,405 --> 00:46:14,685
know. And that's one of the situations where just because you think it doesn't mean

754
00:46:14,685 --> 00:46:18,420
you should say it. And so I still I still give honest

755
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:22,260
opinion like LeBron James got the I'm like, dude, I'm 10 minutes in. I haven't

756
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:25,905
heard LeBron James yet. I'm like, what the heck? I tuned in to hear LeBron,

757
00:46:26,045 --> 00:46:29,665
not some guy talk about what LeBron thinks. I'm like, that that was kinda

758
00:46:29,885 --> 00:46:33,359
crappy, but I think you hit the nail on the head. What's the goal of

759
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:37,119
the show? The goal of the show is to drive members to the school

760
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,180
of podcasting. Is that gonna work?

761
00:46:40,485 --> 00:46:44,325
Because and Larry had a great point. He said, he has a

762
00:46:44,325 --> 00:46:48,025
mastermind, and he was saying they just removed the hot seat

763
00:46:48,369 --> 00:46:52,049
because, you know, people are pooping on their art. And that's

764
00:46:52,049 --> 00:46:55,890
not really as much as you should let people poop on your art because

765
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:59,665
how is it gonna get better? But on the other hand,

766
00:46:59,665 --> 00:47:03,265
you know, if it's it it might kind of especially in a

767
00:47:03,265 --> 00:47:07,070
mastermind where you're trying to build community and somebody's honest and

768
00:47:07,070 --> 00:47:10,910
said, I don't know. I just was kinda bored, you know. Yeah. Here he is.

769
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:14,295
He says, we just eliminated the hot seat from our mastermind due to negative

770
00:47:14,295 --> 00:47:18,055
emotions people were having towards being in it. Yeah. And that's where

771
00:47:18,055 --> 00:47:21,275
you you need to find just like any mastermind,

772
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:25,210
you need the right people. And that's where,

773
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:29,510
you know, it it would be people have to know. This is what's going in.

774
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:33,335
Like and, unfortunately, all think about a review is gonna be, oh, they're just

775
00:47:33,335 --> 00:47:37,015
gonna rip my podcast to shreds. And I'm like, well, not if

776
00:47:37,015 --> 00:47:40,710
there's not anything to rip to shreds. You know what I mean? But, like, I

777
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:44,410
I was, working with a member of the school of podcasting last night.

778
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:48,625
And this isn't wrong. It's just, it's something to think about.

779
00:47:48,685 --> 00:47:51,905
But at the end, he pointed people towards his patreon.com/whatever.

780
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,440
And then he pointed people towards facebook@facebook.com/whatever. I

781
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,060
said, I would reverse those and go, hey, if you wanna join our community,

782
00:48:01,305 --> 00:48:05,065
go to my website.com/community. If you wanna join our

783
00:48:05,065 --> 00:48:08,825
our Patreon, if you wanna join if you wanna be a supporter, like, we go,

784
00:48:08,825 --> 00:48:12,410
ask the podcast coach.com/support. So that was my

785
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:16,010
negative feedback. You know, I said the audio was

786
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:18,670
good. He he he did one thing where he was asking

787
00:48:19,535 --> 00:48:23,295
somebody about their divorce, and it's kinda sensitive. Right? We're,

788
00:48:23,295 --> 00:48:26,835
like, going, maybe this guy doesn't wanna talk about this. So what he did

789
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:31,260
was he shared a vulnerable story first. And

790
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:35,100
I'm like, that's absolutely, like that's the blueprint. If you want

791
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:38,925
your audience to be vulnerable, if you want your guest

792
00:48:38,925 --> 00:48:42,464
to be vulnerable, then you should kind

793
00:48:42,925 --> 00:48:46,580
of demonstrate that, and he did. The show is, around the

794
00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:50,420
layout. Dot com is his website. It's a show it's a show. Talk

795
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:54,195
about a niche. It's a show for people that are into

796
00:48:54,575 --> 00:48:58,415
model trains, and they are deep into it. And all it is in

797
00:48:58,415 --> 00:49:01,295
fact, you'll hear me talk about this on the next episode of The School of

798
00:49:01,295 --> 00:49:05,119
Podcasting. Like, Jim, what's a like,

799
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,720
you you smoke cigars. So, like, you hang out with Ed Yeah. And Dave.

800
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:12,480
Yeah. And you guys talk about cigars. And and suddenly, you're not surrounded

801
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,974
by people like, oh, they stink. Oh, I hate it. Like, no. You're on people

802
00:49:15,974 --> 00:49:18,375
that are like, oh, I love that. Have you ever smoked this type or that

803
00:49:18,375 --> 00:49:22,089
type? So it's model trains, but it's a whole bunch

804
00:49:22,089 --> 00:49:25,849
of people that love model trains. And so that's one of

805
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:29,315
the benefits of that that show. But he was the guy who was like, oh,

806
00:49:29,395 --> 00:49:32,375
you know, I said, no. Make that, around the layout

807
00:49:33,315 --> 00:49:36,915
dot com slash, you know, community. Around the layout dot com slash

808
00:49:36,915 --> 00:49:39,980
support. So sometimes now

809
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,380
some people might go, thank you so much. I had a guy,

810
00:49:44,655 --> 00:49:48,494
new member of the School of Podcasting, met him at podcast movement, so that was

811
00:49:48,494 --> 00:49:52,095
awesome, but the name of Vishal was his name. And I

812
00:49:52,095 --> 00:49:55,590
go, if people don't know you, they don't know what the it'd be like, you

813
00:49:55,590 --> 00:49:59,130
know, oh, it's the it's it's the Jeff, you know,

814
00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:02,705
Jamango show. Right? Well, if you don't know who Jeff Jamango

815
00:50:02,705 --> 00:50:06,465
is, then I'm not really wanting to click on that. I said, you need

816
00:50:06,465 --> 00:50:10,005
a tagline. And he's act and he's got an amazing show already.

817
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:13,750
It's about church planting. And so his

818
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:17,529
audience is not only there's an example of they know his why,

819
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:21,335
like, why he's doing the show. And then he said, yeah. Last year, somebody

820
00:50:21,335 --> 00:50:25,015
donated $65,000 to his podcast. I was

821
00:50:25,015 --> 00:50:28,635
like, that is a because of my podcast story, my friend. Holy cow.

822
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,000
But he didn't have a tagline. I go, you need a tagline because if people

823
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,840
search for your show, unless they know who you are, they're not going

824
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,305
to, you know, find you. Randy says about

825
00:50:39,305 --> 00:50:42,745
mastermind groups. Many mastermind groups have no clue how to facilitate being

826
00:50:42,745 --> 00:50:46,530
helpful. They jump to tell mode and should and should

827
00:50:46,530 --> 00:50:50,130
mode instead of helping others figure it out for themselves. There you

828
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:52,790
go. Wise man, Randy Cantrell.

829
00:50:54,245 --> 00:50:57,525
Dave, you know so as you've been talking about this, I've been thinking about, like,

830
00:50:57,525 --> 00:51:01,225
what would I do? What would I do differently? Is your you're contemplating.

831
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,700
Now listen. You're contemplating the format of this, and so you're open to suggestions.

832
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,280
I'm not coming out of the blue and saying, you know, I've told you I'm

833
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,128
uncomfortable with that rodeo show because it's It's I was gonna kill it. I

834
00:51:13,128 --> 00:51:16,928
was like, 500. You know what? We're done. I'm gonna start this other

835
00:51:16,928 --> 00:51:20,630
show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I I think it comes

836
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:24,470
from a motive. The motives are good. I think the the execution for me

837
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:28,085
was for me, was it was just it was too confrontational.

838
00:51:28,385 --> 00:51:31,984
I can't take that confrontational format, you know,

839
00:51:31,984 --> 00:51:34,980
the the jackass stuff. The Right. You know, the

840
00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:39,220
even candid camera was a little bit now it's going way back. Is it

841
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:42,740
was a little bit right you know, too con too confrontational for

842
00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:46,525
me. I say that tongue in cheek, cheek, of course. But, you know, what you

843
00:51:46,525 --> 00:51:50,285
could do is so you got a podcaster that wants a review or you're doing

844
00:51:50,285 --> 00:51:53,950
a review on. Are you you're not. You were just randomly picking these.

845
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:57,630
Right? These weren't you weren't working with people. Here's the thing where

846
00:51:57,630 --> 00:52:01,285
it's probably a pricing issue because I was just having fun. It's

847
00:52:01,285 --> 00:52:04,904
$5 to get reviewed. I just didn't wanna do it for free.

848
00:52:05,285 --> 00:52:08,645
So I made it $5. Isn't everybody would do it? What you would think.

849
00:52:08,645 --> 00:52:12,270
Right? But it's I I've had it's $5. It might as well be

850
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:15,950
free. And I still don't have people signing up. There's no line

851
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:19,665
there. And I went, okay. So, you know okay. So what? Either

852
00:52:19,665 --> 00:52:23,505
raise the price on that because they they say there's no perceived value probably.

853
00:52:23,505 --> 00:52:25,825
That would be my that if I was coaching me and be like, oh, you

854
00:52:25,825 --> 00:52:29,109
need to raise your price. People think this is crap because it's only $5.

855
00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:32,849
So I see The goal was the goal was always to drive people to School

856
00:52:32,849 --> 00:52:35,809
of Podcasting. Right? Like, if you need it the goal on this? Yeah. It was

857
00:52:35,809 --> 00:52:39,455
like, hey. If you don't even have a podcast, you know, come visit me, school

858
00:52:39,455 --> 00:52:42,255
of podcasting.com, kinda thing. And so I

859
00:52:43,375 --> 00:52:47,220
so I think what you you could try Yeah. Pick this pick

860
00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:50,740
this is so you get a podcast. Somebody wants this kind of

861
00:52:50,740 --> 00:52:54,515
review. Have them do some of the homework and say, hey. Present to me,

862
00:52:54,515 --> 00:52:58,035
give me your your best show, and tell me 3

863
00:52:58,035 --> 00:53:01,494
points in the show that you think where you're the best,

864
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:05,000
at, like, where you're the strongest in this,

865
00:53:05,620 --> 00:53:08,740
then they'll give you those, you know, they can give you those timestamps and you

866
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:12,235
go listen. You're gonna listen to the show anyways. Then you could go through

867
00:53:12,435 --> 00:53:15,715
in the first half of the show, you could you could critique those best

868
00:53:16,595 --> 00:53:20,170
and not from a not trying to tear them down, but trying to build them

869
00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:23,609
up. People love to hear, like, what we do here on the show. I mean,

870
00:53:23,609 --> 00:53:26,715
we do some tearing down. But we're trying to we're trying to build people up.

871
00:53:26,715 --> 00:53:30,395
Right? We're trying to encourage people to do this. So build them up. Hey.

872
00:53:30,395 --> 00:53:33,995
Let me play this clip, then you could do a little coaching. Hey. Why why

873
00:53:33,995 --> 00:53:37,610
did you you submitted this. What did you think? Then you could say, here's what

874
00:53:37,610 --> 00:53:41,450
I think. I think in the midst of that conversation, because you've listened to the

875
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:45,194
show, you could also spend some time pulling out

876
00:53:45,194 --> 00:53:49,035
some things that aren't working so well. It it puts a more positive spin

877
00:53:49,035 --> 00:53:52,750
on it as opposed to coming out and it being like

878
00:53:52,750 --> 00:53:56,510
that that they get some they get a little input on what you talk

879
00:53:56,510 --> 00:54:00,289
about, but you still get the opportunity to work with them

880
00:54:00,694 --> 00:54:04,375
and show people, like, that you've got an opinion on

881
00:54:04,375 --> 00:54:08,180
some of these things and that you can talk positively about it. I bet

882
00:54:08,180 --> 00:54:11,940
I bet you get a lot more people to listen to something that

883
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:15,619
way that they know because they know they're coming in and the

884
00:54:15,619 --> 00:54:19,405
person's not on the hot seat. They're gonna be encouraged for

885
00:54:19,405 --> 00:54:22,845
the best 3 spots in the show. Then you can still coach them. You know,

886
00:54:22,845 --> 00:54:26,204
it's the it's the, what, the the, the criticism sandwich.

887
00:54:26,204 --> 00:54:29,930
Right? Something good, something bad, something

888
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:33,470
good. Right. And I I think it gives you it may give you the opportunity

889
00:54:33,529 --> 00:54:36,845
for a little more constructive, a little more positive.

890
00:54:37,225 --> 00:54:40,985
I don't know. Thoughts on that? What do you think? I I definitely agree. I

891
00:54:40,985 --> 00:54:44,685
always try even if it's a horrible show, on the rodeo show,

892
00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:47,660
the first thing I'll say then because I always try to start off with, here's

893
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:51,359
what I liked. And if it's horrible, if it's tremendously

894
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:55,944
bad audio, like, it's just bad. It's just like it's it's like you

895
00:54:55,944 --> 00:54:59,785
should stop podcasting bad. I will say the good news is

896
00:54:59,785 --> 00:55:03,085
while many people have been thinking about doing a podcast for years,

897
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:07,290
you actually pressed record. So kudos for that. That's good. I'm

898
00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:10,330
glad you're up and running. Now let's see if we can shape this a little

899
00:55:10,330 --> 00:55:13,070
more effectively, and then I'll go into them.

900
00:55:13,965 --> 00:55:17,505
I I just don't think outing people, and I know you're not doing that intentionally.

901
00:55:17,565 --> 00:55:21,325
Right. I just don't think out some people really like that. I don't

902
00:55:21,325 --> 00:55:25,050
think most people do. No. I think I think You

903
00:55:25,050 --> 00:55:28,890
know, there are folks who can tolerate that. I can't. I I can't

904
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:32,675
I can't watch people be embarrassed that way. Yeah. I just can't. I

905
00:55:32,675 --> 00:55:35,955
could I could barely this is serious. I could barely watch The Office at times

906
00:55:35,955 --> 00:55:39,715
because it was so embarrassing, some of the things people would

907
00:55:39,715 --> 00:55:43,460
do. You know? And it it's just maybe sometimes it hits too close to

908
00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:46,599
home. Well, and So and now you're really leading me to think,

909
00:55:47,619 --> 00:55:51,285
maybe I should just shut her down. I really like, it you know, it's like

910
00:55:51,285 --> 00:55:54,164
this this really isn't geared to do, you know

911
00:55:54,885 --> 00:55:58,585
Chris says Does it match the does it match the goal? My brand. Yeah.

912
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:02,420
Yeah. Because I almost shut it down once. Yeah. Chris says, SWOT

913
00:56:02,420 --> 00:56:05,940
analysis. I like that. And then there are people like this.

914
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:09,775
John Jamango says, having Dave Jackson telling my podcast

915
00:56:09,775 --> 00:56:13,535
dinks would break my heart. See, again, this is where, to me, it's just an

916
00:56:13,535 --> 00:56:17,360
opinion, and then other people go, no. No. You're Dave Jackson. I'm

917
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,880
like, yeah. I'm just a dude. And they're like, you know, Chris, again,

918
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,694
strengths, weaknesses, and opportunities, you know, that whole 9

919
00:56:24,694 --> 00:56:28,375
yards. Right. That's a slot. Yeah. Yep. No. You could go that. I I just

920
00:56:28,375 --> 00:56:31,810
really think it comes at the intention. Are you trying to help the person, or

921
00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:34,770
are you trying to out the person? Yeah. I'm I'm always trying to help. It

922
00:56:34,770 --> 00:56:37,970
may sound like I'm trying to out them. Yeah. It it

923
00:56:39,175 --> 00:56:42,775
yeah. It would it would yeah. See, that's exactly the same

924
00:56:42,775 --> 00:56:46,535
thing. That reaction, Craig says, good teachers always lead with praise

925
00:56:46,535 --> 00:56:50,030
before speaking about the negative stuff. No. But the fact that

926
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:53,550
we're all kinda going, well, it's

927
00:56:53,550 --> 00:56:56,610
tricky. And you really need the right people

928
00:56:57,385 --> 00:57:00,905
to do that. Dave just run my podcasting hopes and dreams many years

929
00:57:00,905 --> 00:57:04,665
ago when I first got started. And Larry ignored everything I said,

930
00:57:04,665 --> 00:57:08,410
and he is kicking butt and taking names right now. So although if I

931
00:57:08,410 --> 00:57:12,170
remember right, Larry had a show. It was like everything about everything. I forget

932
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:15,050
the name of it. But it was just I wanna talk about whatever I wanna

933
00:57:15,050 --> 00:57:18,744
talk about. And I was kinda like, shouldn't there be a theme in here somewhere?

934
00:57:18,744 --> 00:57:22,585
But, you know and, of course, all you needed to do, and it's

935
00:57:22,585 --> 00:57:26,240
brilliant. It really is. You talk about we all think we have to

936
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,520
write our name in the sky or something like that. Larry put on a red

937
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,365
hat and invented Red Hat Media, and it's I'm

938
00:57:33,365 --> 00:57:37,045
here to tell you, it's it's like genius. Because if I go to an

939
00:57:37,045 --> 00:57:40,390
event and I walk into a room and there's 800 people and I see a

940
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:43,990
red hat, I instantly know that's Larry, and it's not some

941
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:47,565
MAGA guy. Like, I because also Larry's tall. And

942
00:57:47,565 --> 00:57:51,325
so is the minute I see a tall it was, yeah, really random was the

943
00:57:51,325 --> 00:57:54,445
name of the show. And I was kind of like, do we all, you know,

944
00:57:54,445 --> 00:57:58,050
and there are people. That's a that's a niche, by the way. The

945
00:57:58,050 --> 00:58:01,890
niche is I want multiple topics. That's a niche. I've

946
00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:05,270
had people, like, I can't pick 1. But Larry's red hat

947
00:58:05,565 --> 00:58:09,405
is genius because I know right where he is, everything in

948
00:58:09,405 --> 00:58:13,165
his marketing material, you know, he'll have a picture of him in in

949
00:58:13,165 --> 00:58:16,829
black and white, but his hat is still red. So, you know,

950
00:58:16,829 --> 00:58:20,670
consequently, I'm gonna start wearing a, a graduation robe to

951
00:58:22,924 --> 00:58:26,224
a and a blue hat, you know, blue you know, I could do that. Sure.

952
00:58:26,365 --> 00:58:30,144
Dan says says nothing wrong with going on hiatus to give you some time

953
00:58:30,204 --> 00:58:33,430
away from it and see if I miss it. That's not a bad idea.

954
00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:37,410
But I just the the more we talk about this, the more I'm like, you

955
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:41,170
know what? I'm not sure this works. You know what I mean? Without the right

956
00:58:41,170 --> 00:58:44,734
people, I need people willing to because, you know

957
00:58:45,755 --> 00:58:49,435
and and and the thing is, again, most of the shows

958
00:58:49,435 --> 00:58:53,180
have something to improve on. I mean, the

959
00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:56,780
school of podcasting can improve. I'm always one of my mantras is

960
00:58:56,780 --> 00:59:00,080
constant improvement. You know? Randy says,

961
00:59:00,464 --> 00:59:03,905
the podcast rodeo show is one of my immediate listens. I know that I will

962
00:59:03,905 --> 00:59:07,744
either find a good podcast to listen to, like living up in a down world,

963
00:59:07,744 --> 00:59:11,560
or a bad one to avoid. Yep. It is kind of that. And there are

964
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,400
plenty of people that will eat well, I've and I

965
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,760
always play this. So when somebody's like, hey. You missed the boat. Because I listen

966
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,255
to 1. I because I've been reviewing popular shows

967
00:59:22,795 --> 00:59:26,555
that, like, if I don't get somebody in that's why I re reviewed LeBron's

968
00:59:26,555 --> 00:59:30,180
show because people are looking for that show, And so then they'll find mine.

969
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:33,599
And I've had people say, yeah, you missed the boat. You gave that one the

970
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:36,960
old and if you would listen to another 4 minutes, they hook you in. I'm

971
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,474
like, yeah, but I'm not listening to 20 minutes of a show to to do

972
00:59:40,555 --> 00:59:44,234
it's a first impression thing. And I don't know. So it's it's

973
00:59:44,234 --> 00:59:47,770
something to to think about. Well,

974
00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:51,250
this is you know, the chat room is a great example of

975
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:54,830
there's some folks who love that show. There's others who don't.

976
00:59:55,145 --> 00:59:58,985
Well, do if you you can't listen to everybody Right. Are

977
00:59:58,985 --> 01:00:02,745
you you know, is it fulfilling the needs and the purpose and the

978
01:00:02,745 --> 01:00:06,589
mission of what you intended it to do? I gave you know,

979
01:00:06,730 --> 01:00:10,190
my advice was I think it's a mixed message, but you

980
01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:14,214
you ultimately have to decide what you what

981
01:00:14,214 --> 01:00:17,974
you want that to be. It's not my decision. It's yours. Yeah. I I I

982
01:00:17,974 --> 01:00:21,720
do think, you know, if the if the goal was to to provide

983
01:00:21,859 --> 01:00:25,559
coaching, I think, you know, the old adage about leadership where you

984
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:29,475
praise in public and criticize private. Yeah. Absolutely. I think

985
01:00:29,555 --> 01:00:32,915
I think some like, if the intent is to show that in

986
01:00:32,915 --> 01:00:36,275
coaching, I don't think we would come in here and on this

987
01:00:36,275 --> 01:00:40,000
show. We criticized. It's not like we don't criticize things. We

988
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,519
just criticize companies that do things weird and, you

989
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:47,235
know, situations like that. But I if we all of a sudden,

990
01:00:47,235 --> 01:00:51,075
you know, say say one Saturday we brought in, Dan's a sponsor,

991
01:00:51,075 --> 01:00:54,670
so I'll use him as an example. So we bring on, you know, his

992
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:58,270
show and and start tearing it, you know, start tearing it

993
01:00:58,270 --> 01:01:01,630
up. And he didn't ask for it, and he didn't want

994
01:01:01,630 --> 01:01:05,335
it, wasn't ready for it. I'm not sure we'd

995
01:01:05,335 --> 01:01:09,095
see Dan for a while at that point. Right? Not

996
01:01:09,095 --> 01:01:12,580
the intent to is that coaching? Sure. We could hide

997
01:01:12,580 --> 01:01:15,240
behind the the the the,

998
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:20,120
you know, that idea of coaching. Well, I'm just I'm just trying to help you.

999
01:01:20,445 --> 01:01:24,125
Yeah. I didn't I this isn't army basic training. You know? This I

1000
01:01:24,125 --> 01:01:27,885
I I didn't sign up for this. I so I think it's

1001
01:01:27,885 --> 01:01:31,700
getting those those I mean, if you wanted to I think if the

1002
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:35,299
intent was to drive people to school podcasting or to to

1003
01:01:35,299 --> 01:01:38,885
your coaching stuff, I think a more

1004
01:01:39,025 --> 01:01:42,724
coach approach oh, I kinda rammed. A more coach approach

1005
01:01:42,785 --> 01:01:46,480
to to it would would actually

1006
01:01:46,539 --> 01:01:50,299
show would show them what you can do. Yeah. The the

1007
01:01:50,299 --> 01:01:53,420
thing that caught Maybe you're doing that. I haven't listened to one, to be honest

1008
01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:57,035
with you, because I was afraid of the content. You know? You gotta

1009
01:01:57,035 --> 01:02:00,795
cringe. Yeah. Craig has a great point. He goes,

1010
01:02:00,795 --> 01:02:04,570
it's either a hobby or a business. If it's not bringing you leads

1011
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:07,910
and you don't enjoy it, then Bennett. Yeah. That's me. That's why that's why I'm

1012
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:11,605
like, you know so I like the idea that Ralph

1013
01:02:11,605 --> 01:02:15,205
said, maybe give people a month. And I was like, that might be

1014
01:02:15,365 --> 01:02:19,180
that might backfire, because my whole thing is unlimited 1 on 1 consulting. And

1015
01:02:19,180 --> 01:02:22,980
if I get a bunch of new people with a bunch of questions, that could

1016
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:26,340
be an issue. You know, John says, I disagreed with you on the Kelsey Brothers

1017
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:30,135
podcast, New Heights. Even though what you said was correct, I

1018
01:02:30,135 --> 01:02:33,895
still am one of their fans. Yet, they they have a lot of advertising at

1019
01:02:33,895 --> 01:02:36,760
the beginning of their show. And I was like, as a new listener, I was

1020
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,280
kinda like, really? And then coach Dave, sometimes the benefit is not

1021
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,039
realized by the people or the person in the hot seat, but those in the

1022
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:47,325
wings, which kinda goes back to Jim's point of sometimes it's

1023
01:02:47,785 --> 01:02:50,205
your your your coaching

1024
01:02:51,705 --> 01:02:55,380
you're trying to coach in public, but in the process, you have to

1025
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:59,220
criticize in public, which is not great. And but it's the people in the

1026
01:02:59,220 --> 01:03:02,925
wings who aren't because you're not talking about their show that

1027
01:03:02,925 --> 01:03:06,525
get the benefit, you know. So it's it's it's

1028
01:03:06,525 --> 01:03:10,365
kinda tricky. So it's it's but I like Dan's idea. Maybe just put

1029
01:03:10,365 --> 01:03:14,030
it on hiatus for a bit. The thing I hate about that is there are

1030
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:17,550
people like Randy that listen when it first comes out. And if I put it

1031
01:03:17,550 --> 01:03:21,345
on hiatus, it's not like Randy's going to work going, why? I'd listen to

1032
01:03:21,345 --> 01:03:24,385
a show today on the way to work, but, you know, podcast radio. So I

1033
01:03:24,385 --> 01:03:27,184
was I guess I'll just sit here in silence. No. They're gonna go find something

1034
01:03:27,184 --> 01:03:30,240
else. And then when it comes back, it's up to you

1035
01:03:30,779 --> 01:03:34,220
to, you know, get them to go, well, is this show better

1036
01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:37,885
than the one I've I've replaced you with? John says, if Dave

1037
01:03:37,885 --> 01:03:41,585
called me privately and told me what he thought of my podcast,

1038
01:03:41,645 --> 01:03:45,140
I would love it. If he did it publicly, it would kill me. Yeah. That's

1039
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:48,980
the problem. It's the public thing. Randy says one of the best

1040
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:52,819
podcast rodeo episodes was the garbage day podcast, one of

1041
01:03:52,819 --> 01:03:56,305
the worst shows ever. So, again, it's entertaining.

1042
01:03:56,924 --> 01:04:00,525
I did have a guy the very first episode that I did. I

1043
01:04:00,525 --> 01:04:04,290
forget what it was, but it was horrendous. And the guy finally

1044
01:04:04,290 --> 01:04:07,010
figured out that I had reviewed his show and said, hey. Can you take that

1045
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:10,550
down? And I very politely did. I'm like, sure. Fine. Whatever.

1046
01:04:10,795 --> 01:04:14,555
I could have said it's my opinion. See, this is this is

1047
01:04:14,555 --> 01:04:18,315
what I tried. Randy says, have you ever released a show where you're actually coaching

1048
01:04:18,315 --> 01:04:21,730
a client 1 on 1? Because I I recommend that

1049
01:04:21,730 --> 01:04:24,869
strategy to my my clients.

1050
01:04:25,170 --> 01:04:28,069
Like, offer discounted coaching

1051
01:04:29,095 --> 01:04:32,855
and say, hey. We're gonna record this. And at the end, I will

1052
01:04:32,855 --> 01:04:36,615
ask you, are you okay with me releasing

1053
01:04:36,615 --> 01:04:40,460
this? Because I'm gonna point out what you're doing good. But if there's

1054
01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:43,980
things you might wanna try differently because usually, it's not your show is

1055
01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:47,735
bad. It's like you're missing this, or, you know, your

1056
01:04:47,735 --> 01:04:51,255
audio could be benefited by doing this. I've tried that. I

1057
01:04:51,255 --> 01:04:54,960
interviewed 2 people, and it

1058
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,019
wasn't really good content. You know what I mean? It was like,

1059
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,000
okay. So maybe I'll try that again. Because I wanted to do that for the

1060
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,285
school of podcasting, have consulting

1061
01:05:06,225 --> 01:05:09,745
episodes. I thought that would be something different, you know, that whole 9

1062
01:05:09,745 --> 01:05:12,725
yards. And then what happens is

1063
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:17,920
people like Natalie Eckdahl does bizchix, b

1064
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,280
I z c h I x. She did interviews for

1065
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,984
years because, well, that's what everybody did. Right? Start a

1066
01:05:24,984 --> 01:05:28,505
podcast. You interview entrepreneurs and wasn't driving any

1067
01:05:28,505 --> 01:05:32,030
business. And so she started doing solo shows.

1068
01:05:32,570 --> 01:05:36,329
That helped a little because it really connected her with her audience, but

1069
01:05:36,329 --> 01:05:40,155
then she offered people discounted coaching. Couple people

1070
01:05:40,155 --> 01:05:43,455
took it up, and she would just say, here's some things you can do better.

1071
01:05:43,595 --> 01:05:47,170
Wasn't so much, here's what you're doing right. Here's things you can do better. And

1072
01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:50,770
she said, all of a sudden, my audience went, oh, that's

1073
01:05:50,770 --> 01:05:54,150
what coaching is. And she goes, and the floodgates open.

1074
01:05:54,785 --> 01:05:58,244
So I wanna use that thing, but you need kind of the right person.

1075
01:05:58,785 --> 01:06:02,589
You know, Rich says, Ask Me Anything by Josh Spector

1076
01:06:02,589 --> 01:06:06,270
does that. Guest comes and asks him questions. Yeah. I I've

1077
01:06:06,270 --> 01:06:10,085
actually tried I did an Ask Me Anything, whatever it was, show

1078
01:06:10,085 --> 01:06:13,685
700, show 600, and I don't know.

1079
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Something went we I mean, they didn't ask bad questions. I just it was, you

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know, what's the best microphone? Kind of the stuff we do here.

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Yeah. Yeah. But, anyway, speaking of the awesome supporters. Oh,

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01:06:24,550 --> 01:06:28,145
I've mentioned I I was in the middle of saying this, that

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01:06:28,445 --> 01:06:32,045
Ecamm has a cool option where I can basically

1084
01:06:32,045 --> 01:06:35,770
go, hey, keep the live stream going over here, but

1085
01:06:35,770 --> 01:06:39,610
show me the back end over here where I went in. So now

1086
01:06:39,610 --> 01:06:43,050
when I go to the slide, we're at the first slide because it dawned on

1087
01:06:43,050 --> 01:06:46,695
me we were on the last slide and I needed to rewind this.

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01:06:46,755 --> 01:06:50,375
So I was able to go, hey, Ecamm, keep doing what you're doing.

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01:06:51,110 --> 01:06:54,650
And I'm gonna go over here and back up these slides

1090
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:58,390
so I can now go, hey. If you like to be an awesome

1091
01:06:58,390 --> 01:07:02,155
supporter, it's super easy. You know, you can do that, and and my slides are

1092
01:07:02,155 --> 01:07:04,555
now in order. Where before, I would have to go hold on and go to

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01:07:04,555 --> 01:07:08,220
back these up. So that's pretty cool. ECAM ECAM for the win. But

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this show is brought to you by, speaking of the School of Podcasting, brought to

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grossly raise my prices. I'm slowly turning into the Walmart

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of podcasting. This show runs on PodPage. If you

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wanna check it out, my affiliate link is trypodpage.com. If you wanna

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learn PodPage, go to learnpodpage.com. And I just mentioned

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Ecamm. If you're wondering how we're doing all these fun camera switching

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01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:48,444
things, well, that's Ecamm and that little thing called a StreamYard, but you can

1105
01:07:48,444 --> 01:07:50,905
check it out at ask the podcast coach.com/ecamm.

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01:07:52,484 --> 01:07:56,005
And if you need more Jim Collison and who doesn't, because, hey, we went like

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01:07:56,005 --> 01:07:59,710
a week without Jim Collison. That's hard to do, man. Just go over to the

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average guy dot tv and check out Home Gadget Geeks.

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And it's time for the wheel o'

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01:08:07,234 --> 01:08:10,295
names. So let me Yes. Depart.

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01:08:11,394 --> 01:08:15,220
Here we go. I wait for this every week. I missed it last. You're just

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01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:18,740
like, hey, Dave. What's the website? I wanna spin the wheel, just for fun. Could

1113
01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:21,540
you just spin the wheel for me? Could you just spin the wheel? So will

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01:08:21,540 --> 01:08:25,285
it be Max? Will it be Felix? Will it be Ross? Will it be,

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01:08:25,345 --> 01:08:28,785
you know, all these fun people will hear just just so people don't think it's

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01:08:28,785 --> 01:08:32,145
fixed. I will click on shuffle, and now I will spin the

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01:08:32,145 --> 01:08:35,600
wheel o' names. Round and round and round it goes.

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01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:39,359
And it is the one and only?

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01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:43,585
No. Pro so close. Yeah. Radio Free

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01:08:43,585 --> 01:08:46,965
Pro Wrestling. So if you're into pro wrestling,

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it's the place you gotta go. I'll put a link in the show notes later,

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01:08:50,989 --> 01:08:54,590
but thank you for being an awesome supporter. We

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01:08:54,590 --> 01:08:57,489
deeply appreciate that, and

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01:08:58,405 --> 01:09:02,245
we switch back. Oh, wait. I gotta go here. This is the

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one thing it's I can't get the wheel of names off the screen. I want

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there we go. So with that said, you know, does this show save

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01:09:09,109 --> 01:09:12,310
you time? Does it save you money? Does it save you headaches? Does it keep

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01:09:12,310 --> 01:09:15,750
you educated? Well, then maybe you should consider being an awesome

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01:09:15,750 --> 01:09:17,995
supporter at ask the podcast coach.com/awesome.

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So thanks for all those people. We do appreciate that. The chat room is,

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01:09:25,790 --> 01:09:29,630
you know, we got them going today. John Domingo again. I just bought

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01:09:29,630 --> 01:09:33,229
Hindenburg Pro. And now I'm going through the

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01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:37,055
how do I do that blues. I would pay for an hour of coaching.

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01:09:37,435 --> 01:09:41,114
You know, if you join the School of Podcasting, use the coupon code

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coach. There's a class on Hindenburg

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01:09:44,859 --> 01:09:48,380
Pro. So and in fact, there's a especially for

1137
01:09:48,380 --> 01:09:51,695
editors, one of the coolest things is

1138
01:09:51,835 --> 01:09:55,675
somebody sends you a file, and you were hoping you would

1139
01:09:55,675 --> 01:09:59,520
get separate files, but doggone it, you didn't. You go into Hindenburg.

1140
01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:03,900
You have it transcribed, and you name the different people.

1141
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:07,660
So it's, you know, track 1 is your this person when this person's talks, it's

1142
01:10:07,660 --> 01:10:11,485
Dave. When this person talks, it's Jim. So now Hindenburg knows

1143
01:10:11,485 --> 01:10:15,265
there are 2 speakers, and you can go take that transcript

1144
01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:19,340
and that audio and split it into 2 separate tracks. And when I saw

1145
01:10:19,340 --> 01:10:23,180
that, I was like, that is magic mojo kind of stuff. So now I

1146
01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:26,635
can, you know, mute the dog barking on Jim's track.

1147
01:10:27,255 --> 01:10:30,875
All sorts of, stuff. Wait. Did you do this, Jim?

1148
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:34,949
Chris is saying you went on social media news live.

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01:10:34,949 --> 01:10:38,695
This coming up. Ah. Next week. There you go. Next week. I'm on. The

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01:10:38,695 --> 01:10:42,295
one and only Jeff was on my Jeff was on Home Gadget Geeks. We talked

1151
01:10:42,295 --> 01:10:46,030
about the VR stuff, the Apple VR stuff. Vision

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01:10:46,030 --> 01:10:49,309
pro, I think is what they call it. And then, a couple weeks ago, and

1153
01:10:49,309 --> 01:10:53,150
then well, 5 weeks ago now maybe. I took 3 weeks off,

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01:10:53,150 --> 01:10:56,875
so it's weird how how all of a sudden time can catch up to you.

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01:10:56,875 --> 01:11:00,155
And then so, yes, I will be on his show. Tough looking forward to it.

1156
01:11:00,155 --> 01:11:03,054
Talking about being, Rusty. Right?

1157
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:07,350
We didn't forget that. It will be interesting. I'm not sure I've taken 3 weeks,

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01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:10,250
but I don't know, in a way. It's usually one here, one there. You know?

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01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:14,215
It felt really good. It it did. It was hard, but it took it felt

1160
01:11:14,215 --> 01:11:16,935
real and I didn't plan it 3 weeks. It's just I took 1 week off,

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01:11:16,935 --> 01:11:20,055
and then the next week, I was like, I think I wanna take another week

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01:11:20,055 --> 01:11:23,860
off. And then we've I've had a lot of stuff going on personally, and so

1163
01:11:23,860 --> 01:11:27,220
it was just nice to to have the you know, I have a group that

1164
01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:30,825
joins me live, and they just say, hey, I'm I'm on a spring break. You

1165
01:11:30,825 --> 01:11:34,585
know? And they were like, enjoy your time off. It was nice. Well, Jim, are

1166
01:11:34,585 --> 01:11:38,425
you ready to, run with scissors? I'm going Yes. I'm going to try I'm

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going to drag a sound bite. Don't stream copyrighted

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01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:45,350
music is what Ecamm is telling me. I'm not well, it's funny that question comes

1169
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:48,985
up. But, we got this question from Bread to Perfection

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01:11:49,125 --> 01:11:52,804
with Kenny, tro Troy. And, boy, I really need new

1171
01:11:52,804 --> 01:11:56,610
glasses. Troiano says, if someone were to mention your name in their podcast,

1172
01:11:56,610 --> 01:12:00,370
is it okay to take the sound bite and play it on yours?

1173
01:12:00,370 --> 01:12:03,510
So, like, if Adam Curry was on

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decentralized TV and the guy said this

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this was cool, by the way, in my opinion, except I don't think

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that's the clip I want. It's not. So we'll fade that out.

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It's named Adam Curry Says Nice Things, but apparently, that's the whole thing,

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not just the clip. But Adam Curry said very nice things about me on

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decentralized TV. And so I went to

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decentralized TV, which is on the Brighton, Brayton,

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something with a b network. And when you go there, there are so many

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squares of shows that they have on this network. And the one thing I could

1183
01:12:40,894 --> 01:12:44,530
not find, and it kinda drove me nuts, was the button that

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01:12:44,530 --> 01:12:47,970
said contact. Like, nothing. No

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01:12:47,970 --> 01:12:51,570
contact at all. And so I looked and looked and clicked on

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01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:55,175
this, finally found they have their own decentralized

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I think it's TV, might be dot TV. Found it. Still

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no contact. So I went to Twitter, found, the

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host name, said, hey. I saw where Adam was on your

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show. If I put a link to to your

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01:13:10,592 --> 01:13:14,140
website and to Adam's website, can I play this

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clip? And I got no reply. And so

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there are times I don't know if it's legally I'm not a lawyer, nor do

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01:13:21,849 --> 01:13:25,505
I even play 1 on TV. But when Adam Curry says nice things about

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01:13:25,505 --> 01:13:29,344
you, I'm going to play that until somebody tells me not to at this

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01:13:29,344 --> 01:13:33,100
point. I'm I'm going now does that make it right? I did my

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01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:36,860
due diligence. I did reach out. I will check again today. But,

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you know, maybe they're not on Twitter, but I don't know. Maybe if you had

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a contact page You know? Now on the other hand, this might be it's

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it's big time. If you,

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01:13:47,405 --> 01:13:50,900
if you are not a fan of right wing politics, this is not the

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01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:54,740
website for you. It's so right. It's almost left kind

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01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:58,395
of thing. And Full circle. Yeah. Exactly.

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Which is fine by me. I don't really care. It just they somebody said, look.

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01:14:02,535 --> 01:14:06,340
If I'm looking to get started, and I just needed simple

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01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,400
path to start a podcast, and Adam's like, hold on. Let me interrupt

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you. I got it. I should have mentioned this guy earlier, Dave

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Jackson, blah blah blah. And he went on, you know, train more people than I

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01:14:17,265 --> 01:14:20,865
know and yada yada yada. So it was really, really nice because he said that

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before, but I was sitting next to him. And so the fact that he

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said it just out of nowhere, I was like, man, that was really cool. I

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,840
gotta grab that clip. So I don't know what If you if you use

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01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,574
it but you tried. That trying doesn't count. Yeah. It doesn't

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01:14:35,574 --> 01:14:39,335
matter. That's not gonna save me in court. That's yeah. It's you

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01:14:39,335 --> 01:14:42,454
could claim fair use, but that's what you would say if they've

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01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,559
if legal proceedings was again, I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't Right. Stay at

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01:14:46,559 --> 01:14:49,300
a Holiday Inn Press last night, so this is not legal advice.

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If they and then, you know, you listen, it's just if they choose to do

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01:14:53,815 --> 01:14:57,574
something about it. If they if they're like, hey, wait a

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minute. We didn't give you permission to do this. Then it's

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01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:05,159
then the fight is on. Right? So, you know, you did all the right

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things. I I would still I'd be hesitant to make sure it was

1223
01:15:09,005 --> 01:15:12,605
in some places that I could pull it back Yeah. If I

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01:15:12,605 --> 01:15:16,225
needed to. Right? Those kinds of things until you get a 100%

1225
01:15:16,445 --> 01:15:20,270
permission to be able to Yeah. I'm I'm gonna insert it into the school

1226
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:24,110
of podcasting using the dynamic tools in Libsyn so

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01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:27,070
that if they go, hey. Hey. Hey. I can just go take that out of

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01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:30,765
rotation. Never mind. I think he's already left. Craig

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01:15:30,765 --> 01:15:34,364
left us a question here. Would you No. He he's he's already at

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01:15:34,364 --> 01:15:38,120
stake. Oh, okay. I think. Anyways, go ahead. Would you what would you recommend for

1231
01:15:38,180 --> 01:15:41,080
migrating a podcast website from WordPress to Squarespace?

1232
01:15:44,485 --> 01:15:48,245
A, what are you doing on WordPress? Is there ecommerce going on? Is

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01:15:48,245 --> 01:15:51,765
it a lot of a b split? If it's just a website and it's a

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01:15:51,765 --> 01:15:55,330
podcast, and I don't say this because they're they're

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01:15:55,330 --> 01:15:58,550
technically not a sponsor. It's just my affiliate tripodpage.com.

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I would, if nothing else, put the feed in there. See because you

1237
01:16:03,105 --> 01:16:06,725
can see what your website would look like. I would move to podpage.

1238
01:16:07,825 --> 01:16:11,640
Squarespace, Wix what else is out there? There are a

1239
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,340
few other ones. Elementor now offers hosting.

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01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,940
It's been a while since I played with Squarespace. Wix,

1241
01:16:19,885 --> 01:16:23,725
back when they they remember when they had all sorts of, commercials on

1242
01:16:23,725 --> 01:16:27,470
and how easy it was to build a website with Wix. And, look, I've

1243
01:16:27,550 --> 01:16:30,590
you know, I go back to the days of Dreamweaver. I I know my way

1244
01:16:30,590 --> 01:16:33,710
around building a website. I'm no master guru, but

1245
01:16:34,395 --> 01:16:38,235
and Wix, I just was like it just seemed like 3 different teams

1246
01:16:38,235 --> 01:16:41,775
built their platform. Like, this is the one for the blog.

1247
01:16:42,150 --> 01:16:44,710
And, like, all of a sudden, the interface would change because I was doing a

1248
01:16:44,710 --> 01:16:48,550
blog, and then I would go to make something else in the

1249
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:51,815
interface. It just seemed I was like, wow. Who designed it? It really looked like

1250
01:16:51,895 --> 01:16:55,655
3 different teams built it. Now that may have changed, but that was

1251
01:16:55,655 --> 01:16:59,015
probably a year ago. Squarespace is

1252
01:16:59,015 --> 01:17:02,820
pretty. The thing that I found somewhat

1253
01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:06,260
frustrating with Squarespace is all their templates are

1254
01:17:06,260 --> 01:17:09,560
for consulting or hotels

1255
01:17:10,375 --> 01:17:13,835
or restaurants or knickknacks.

1256
01:17:14,215 --> 01:17:17,755
Like, there was no podcast Squarespace template.

1257
01:17:18,530 --> 01:17:22,210
And so you're kind of trying to squeeze a podcast

1258
01:17:22,210 --> 01:17:25,970
into a template that isn't really meant for it. And the other thing

1259
01:17:25,970 --> 01:17:29,605
that got me out of Squarespace was you know, you're always like, if you do

1260
01:17:29,605 --> 01:17:32,985
PayPal, right, it's 2.9% plus 30¢.

1261
01:17:33,605 --> 01:17:37,450
Well, I I kinda went, wait. That can't be right. Squarespace

1262
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:41,350
then tacked on more fees. And I'm like, but I'm already paying it

1263
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:45,125
$20 a month. Why are you dinging me on my ecommerce? And

1264
01:17:45,125 --> 01:17:48,965
their answer was because we can. I would double check that. I

1265
01:17:48,965 --> 01:17:52,585
haven't played with Squarespace in about 3 years. It's been a while.

1266
01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:56,739
But and then the other question I would ask

1267
01:17:56,739 --> 01:18:00,580
is, what are you using on WordPress? Because I'm I'm not a huge

1268
01:18:00,580 --> 01:18:04,415
fan of WordPress, but in fact, I was laughing. And how old is

1269
01:18:04,415 --> 01:18:08,015
it? How old is your WordPress instance? Yeah. Because there are some themes that are

1270
01:18:08,015 --> 01:18:11,690
like I saw somebody the other day that was

1271
01:18:11,690 --> 01:18:15,470
using there I forget what it was. There was a software you could buy,

1272
01:18:16,250 --> 01:18:19,370
and you would put in the colors and some artwork, and it would spit out

1273
01:18:19,370 --> 01:18:23,125
a theme that you would then upload to WordPress. And

1274
01:18:23,745 --> 01:18:26,645
it it looks very 1994ish.

1275
01:18:27,505 --> 01:18:30,600
And I went to somebody's website. I'm like, oh my god. I haven't seen that

1276
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,440
layout in forever. So the the thing I hate

1277
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:37,785
about most WordPress like, I like Elementor.

1278
01:18:38,324 --> 01:18:42,005
To me, there's, like, Divi, which is what Mark uses when he designs

1279
01:18:42,005 --> 01:18:45,740
your website, gives you so much insane control over your

1280
01:18:45,740 --> 01:18:49,200
website that I just go, I don't need that much control. And then there's

1281
01:18:49,740 --> 01:18:53,215
Gutenberg, which doesn't do enough, at least for

1282
01:18:53,215 --> 01:18:56,755
me. And then I found Elementor, which is pretty cool.

1283
01:18:56,895 --> 01:19:00,560
They're very much the 3 bears. It's kind of in the middle. I just hate

1284
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,940
the fact that with Elementor, Beaver Builder, Divi,

1285
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,780
some of these site builders that, like, once you go, I'm going with you,

1286
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:11,555
you kinda married it. Because if you turn it off,

1287
01:19:11,935 --> 01:19:15,615
any page you used, unless there's a trick that I don't know of yeah. Larry

1288
01:19:15,615 --> 01:19:19,440
says I love Elementor. Everybody's like, Elementor? Well, you know, I

1289
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:22,400
don't know if I have. It's if you I'm almost gonna guess if you go

1290
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,085
to support this show dot com /elementor. Yeah.

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Everybody's loving Elementor. So that may be Dan says there

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01:19:29,824 --> 01:19:33,605
there's a lot of customizations WordPress can do that Squarespace can't.

1293
01:19:33,820 --> 01:19:37,660
So migrating can't always work. It depends. And I was laughing last night because I

1294
01:19:37,660 --> 01:19:41,360
was like, I haven't really played with Elementor in a while. And, oh,

1295
01:19:41,420 --> 01:19:45,105
good, has that. It's you now have and this is a lot of things I'm

1296
01:19:45,105 --> 01:19:48,784
seeing in podcasting where they have a core service. Like, here's your

1297
01:19:48,784 --> 01:19:52,489
Elementor. And for an extra $5 a month, you can go Elementor

1298
01:19:52,710 --> 01:19:56,389
Pro, and it's just every widget you could think of. Like, I didn't

1299
01:19:56,389 --> 01:19:59,989
realize I've been looking for the perfect pop up because I hate my pop up

1300
01:19:59,989 --> 01:20:03,765
on my website. I can make one with Elementor. I was talking with

1301
01:20:03,765 --> 01:20:07,365
somebody, and he uses quizzes on his website. I go, what are you using to

1302
01:20:07,365 --> 01:20:11,150
make the quiz? He's like, Elementor. So I was actually thinking

1303
01:20:11,150 --> 01:20:14,530
of moving the school of podcasting onto PodPage.

1304
01:20:15,389 --> 01:20:19,010
And after playing with Elementor, I'm like, I think I just need to

1305
01:20:19,615 --> 01:20:23,315
spend a weekend, and I could kinda get things where I want to

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01:20:23,615 --> 01:20:27,155
on WordPress. Because I don't wanna get completely off WordPress because

1307
01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:31,460
that's a good skill to have even though mine is pretty rusty. Jim, what do

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01:20:31,460 --> 01:20:35,060
you I mean, I know you have a pod page for something, but do you

1309
01:20:35,060 --> 01:20:38,785
have any WordPress sites anymore? Yeah. The the average guy dot tv is all

1310
01:20:38,785 --> 01:20:42,545
WordPress. Okay. And then I'm using PodPage as just a

1311
01:20:42,545 --> 01:20:46,340
landing page for, homegadgetgeeks.com. There you

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01:20:46,340 --> 01:20:49,560
go. So It's great. If I had to move,

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01:20:50,260 --> 01:20:53,699
I'd probably move the pod page Yeah. Just to be honest. But because it's low

1314
01:20:53,699 --> 01:20:56,994
maintenance. If you if you listen. If you if you want to do a lot

1315
01:20:56,994 --> 01:21:00,835
of things to your website, doesn't matter who you use. They're all

1316
01:21:00,835 --> 01:21:04,480
they're all lacking. You're you're all gonna write some code. I think that's

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01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:08,239
the the most common complaint I I hear from developers, I used to

1318
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,815
work with a bunch of them, is they would always say, you know, no matter

1319
01:21:11,815 --> 01:21:15,655
what, if you're if you can customize them, none of the platforms are

1320
01:21:15,655 --> 01:21:19,435
easy. If it was easy, everybody would do it. It takes kind of a developer

1321
01:21:20,210 --> 01:21:23,330
to, you know, to work through some of the problems that you would have on

1322
01:21:23,330 --> 01:21:26,790
the sites. So, of course, Piepage and Squarespace are

1323
01:21:26,850 --> 01:21:30,395
kinda designed for the average person or at least that's what

1324
01:21:30,395 --> 01:21:34,235
they say they are. Right? And so, you know, the heavy

1325
01:21:34,235 --> 01:21:37,835
customization people are like, oh, I can't customize this stuff. Yeah. It's not designed to

1326
01:21:37,835 --> 01:21:41,500
be customized. I mean, the developers would say, yes. Just contact

1327
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:44,460
me, and we'll figure out how to get it done Right. In some of those

1328
01:21:44,460 --> 01:21:48,165
cases. But where WordPress was tried literally

1329
01:21:48,165 --> 01:21:51,925
tried to be everything to all people. It would try to be, like, hey,

1330
01:21:51,925 --> 01:21:55,285
one click setup, or you can have 10 clicks setup, or you

1331
01:21:55,285 --> 01:21:59,090
can have a million clicks setup, you know, kind of thing. And it

1332
01:21:59,090 --> 01:22:02,770
it it it and then it allowed and this is

1333
01:22:02,770 --> 01:22:06,275
always the case on open source that it

1334
01:22:06,275 --> 01:22:09,955
allowed ultimate customizations. There's

1335
01:22:09,955 --> 01:22:13,395
many anybody could write anything, any plugins, any

1336
01:22:13,395 --> 01:22:17,120
stuff. Then people, the average the average guy comes to it, and they're

1337
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,800
like, god, what plugins do I use? Then that you have to start all

1338
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,215
the about all the plugins Yeah. And all the you're right. And

1339
01:22:24,215 --> 01:22:27,735
then the a whole ecosystem is built around that, and then there's a few

1340
01:22:27,735 --> 01:22:31,010
people. I mean, so it's just it's it's insanely

1341
01:22:31,630 --> 01:22:35,470
difficult. It's insanely difficult. And then you better have a backup. I

1342
01:22:35,470 --> 01:22:38,955
always tell people, like, if you're using WordPress, and make sure

1343
01:22:39,655 --> 01:22:43,015
I had a card on I use I think it's

1344
01:22:43,015 --> 01:22:46,695
WP manager. I have something like that. Whatever it

1345
01:22:46,695 --> 01:22:50,489
is. And it makes an automatic backup every day because I'm always waiting for the

1346
01:22:50,489 --> 01:22:54,329
white screen of death. And my card had expired,

1347
01:22:54,329 --> 01:22:57,935
and they had since not backed up my stuff. And so luckily,

1348
01:22:58,075 --> 01:23:01,675
Christian over at Maple Grove Partners because I totally wrecked my website one

1349
01:23:01,675 --> 01:23:05,195
day. And I emailed him, like, dude, this is urgent. The website's just I it's

1350
01:23:05,195 --> 01:23:08,460
my fault. I clicked the wrong button, and he had me back up on real

1351
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:12,300
quick. But, he he has backups. He doesn't he doesn't believe in other he doesn't

1352
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:16,115
believe in other people's backups. So would you recommend migrating a

1353
01:23:16,115 --> 01:23:19,795
pile? That's the first one. He had another question saying, should I here it is.

1354
01:23:19,795 --> 01:23:23,150
Would Mark be the person to reach out to help me move off WordPress? Yeah.

1355
01:23:23,150 --> 01:23:26,910
If you're going off WordPress, I guess, I'm not sure how versed Mark

1356
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:30,614
is on Squarespace, but he can definitely help you move. In some

1357
01:23:30,614 --> 01:23:34,235
cases, I think Mark's working on a service where he'll actually

1358
01:23:35,255 --> 01:23:38,860
kinda be your like, for a monthly fee. Like, he'll

1359
01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:42,700
he's gonna have, like, podcast websites where you like it's almost

1360
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:46,405
like a template. And then he'll pay you pay him a

1361
01:23:46,405 --> 01:23:50,005
monthly fee to host it. You'll still own it, but it's it's

1362
01:23:50,005 --> 01:23:53,700
WordPress based. Because he realizes the WordPress is great. As Jim

1363
01:23:53,700 --> 01:23:57,220
said, it does everything for everyone, and then you're like, I just need, like,

1364
01:23:57,220 --> 01:24:01,060
this. So, the chat room's throwing in their things. Dave said I

1365
01:24:01,060 --> 01:24:04,895
used Thrive Themes, had to get married to it and spend a good amount

1366
01:24:04,895 --> 01:24:08,735
of money. He says I I use PodPage for my current show only

1367
01:24:08,735 --> 01:24:12,320
because of our web team is under contract and they don't know podcasting.

1368
01:24:12,699 --> 01:24:16,380
PodPage gave me an easy to use, easy to manage platform. And

1369
01:24:16,380 --> 01:24:20,085
then, Larry says, I push all my clients to PodPage to get

1370
01:24:20,085 --> 01:24:23,785
them started. And since I've just said PodPage 50,000 times,

1371
01:24:24,085 --> 01:24:27,925
don't forget tripodpage.com the next time you're signing up. That would be great. That's

1372
01:24:27,925 --> 01:24:31,320
my affiliate link. Jeff says back in the day, I used to host Tailwinds

1373
01:24:31,380 --> 01:24:34,900
show. And when we reviewed people's Pinterest pins I think this is a

1374
01:24:34,900 --> 01:24:38,675
different conversation. People's Pinterest pins, they were the most

1375
01:24:38,675 --> 01:24:41,975
yes. I have no I I clicked the wrong button. It said

1376
01:24:42,114 --> 01:24:45,849
wacky chat room. Hello, Jeff. Yeah. Get your comment in.

1377
01:24:45,849 --> 01:24:49,210
There you go. Well, he's he's one of the kings of Pinterest. I had him

1378
01:24:49,210 --> 01:24:52,905
on my show talking about Pinterest. So but yeah. So it's

1379
01:24:53,285 --> 01:24:56,665
it's tough. You know, I like WordPress.

1380
01:24:57,125 --> 01:25:00,630
It can do everything in Elementor. It just was one of the things where when

1381
01:25:00,630 --> 01:25:03,530
I went to make my pop up last night at, like, I don't know,

1382
01:25:04,150 --> 01:25:07,930
12:30, I was like, yeah. You know what? If you start this,

1383
01:25:08,185 --> 01:25:10,824
gonna go to bed at 3 o'clock in the morning because you need to go

1384
01:25:10,824 --> 01:25:14,364
watch a video. And that's really the key with all website stuff.

1385
01:25:14,585 --> 01:25:17,980
So as much as they go, it's super easy. Build a website with 3

1386
01:25:17,980 --> 01:25:21,579
clicks. You know, the only thing I know that's that easy is, again,

1387
01:25:21,579 --> 01:25:25,099
PodPage. I've walked somebody through making a website in about 10

1388
01:25:25,099 --> 01:25:28,805
minutes. Craigslist, I'll check out with Mark. I'd love to have everything

1389
01:25:28,805 --> 01:25:32,645
under the Squarespace roof. Well, yeah. It's definitely doable. The the one

1390
01:25:32,645 --> 01:25:35,840
thing since we mentioned Wix and it's so dumb

1391
01:25:36,619 --> 01:25:40,380
Wix. Wix Wix has this really Oh

1392
01:25:40,380 --> 01:25:43,685
my god. Yeah. That and you bring up a good point. Can you can you

1393
01:25:43,685 --> 01:25:46,985
pay Squarespace to help? Yeah. There there's they should have a team

1394
01:25:47,605 --> 01:25:51,290
that goes, oh, moving from WordPress, we can help. Yeah. Because I know.

1395
01:25:51,290 --> 01:25:55,050
They'd be they'd be motivated to help you. Just I

1396
01:25:55,050 --> 01:25:58,810
mean, when I moved to Maple Grove Partners, Christian moved me for free. Why

1397
01:25:58,810 --> 01:26:02,535
wouldn't he? It took him you know, because he's, you know, master guru. It's like,

1398
01:26:02,535 --> 01:26:05,995
oh, database call, and there it is. You're done.

1399
01:26:06,375 --> 01:26:10,075
So yeah. I love I love when I work with him. He goes, wait.

1400
01:26:10,340 --> 01:26:13,940
He just says wait. And then you hear click click click click the

1401
01:26:13,940 --> 01:26:17,220
keyboard, you know, doing its thing. And then he's like, okay. Check it now. I

1402
01:26:17,220 --> 01:26:20,744
love that. I love that. Now he brought up a whole point

1403
01:26:20,744 --> 01:26:24,585
here. I'm nervous about moving my feet over there.

1404
01:26:24,585 --> 01:26:28,010
I would not move my feet over there. So if you're on Lipson or Podbean

1405
01:26:28,010 --> 01:26:30,590
or Buzzsprout, uh-uh. Because

1406
01:26:31,450 --> 01:26:35,085
yeah. In in the same way that, you know, I don't have my

1407
01:26:35,085 --> 01:26:38,925
dentist fix my car. I don't want Squarespace. They make beautiful

1408
01:26:38,925 --> 01:26:42,545
websites. Their feeds not so beautiful.

1409
01:26:43,290 --> 01:26:46,970
And, yeah. So depending now, if your

1410
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:50,810
feed is on WordPress, I would redirect it to my

1411
01:26:50,810 --> 01:26:54,425
host. That's where I'd I'd be back in the day. Oh, your

1412
01:26:54,425 --> 01:26:57,724
host might go out of business. Okay. If you're using, you know,

1413
01:26:58,025 --> 01:27:01,730
Bill's House of Podcast for your host or your yeah.

1414
01:27:01,730 --> 01:27:05,490
But if don't use those people for your your feed,

1415
01:27:05,490 --> 01:27:09,215
but I would I would redirect it back to your host. Your host isn't going

1416
01:27:09,215 --> 01:27:12,495
out of business, and if they do, they'll give you at least a week to,

1417
01:27:12,735 --> 01:27:16,255
to move it. So and then, somebody says here

1418
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,600
I realized we gotta wrap up here. Am I gonna be at Podcast Movement

1419
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,820
Evolutions in 2025? That'll be in Chicago, by the way.

1420
01:27:24,405 --> 01:27:28,085
Then, as far as I know, it should be. John Domingo is now a

1421
01:27:28,085 --> 01:27:31,685
member of the School of Podcasting. Well, hallelujah, buddy. Yeah. Check out the

1422
01:27:31,685 --> 01:27:35,040
history courses. Was that the bell? Was that the bell, somebody joining School of Podcasting?

1423
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,040
Don't know. I heard that. It might Let's just say it was. Let's say it

1424
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,745
was. If not, it was great. Let's say Yeah. And Welcome, John.

1425
01:27:41,745 --> 01:27:45,345
Yeah. And then somebody says, I humbly applaud Maple Grove for their help in

1426
01:27:45,345 --> 01:27:48,949
migration. Yep. He's a good guy. Nobody better. There's

1427
01:27:48,949 --> 01:27:52,309
nobody better on the back end. And He's a me. I know I'm talking about

1428
01:27:52,309 --> 01:27:56,114
Bill's house of podcasting. Larry says, look. Don't don't attack Bill. He's

1429
01:27:56,114 --> 01:27:59,875
a good guy. Alright. I won't. Enough attacking on people today, but,

1430
01:28:00,435 --> 01:28:04,230
Jimmy d's hosting. Yeah. Jimmy d. So, Jim,

1431
01:28:04,230 --> 01:28:07,990
speaking of, the average guy dot tv, what's come

1432
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:11,750
what's coming up? Yeah. Took, I like I said, I mentioned I took

1433
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:15,365
3 weeks off, and I actually have nothing scheduled right now, which is

1434
01:28:15,365 --> 01:28:19,045
kind of scary and freeing all at the same

1435
01:28:19,045 --> 01:28:22,650
time, you know. So so this weekend, not only do I need to work on

1436
01:28:22,650 --> 01:28:25,630
my taxes, but I need to start lining up some guests,

1437
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:30,594
for with Aaron Lawrence has been posted. It was super popular. Check it

1438
01:28:30,594 --> 01:28:34,275
out today. Home gadgetgeeks.com. Yeah. On the school of

1439
01:28:34,275 --> 01:28:38,110
podcasting, I was gonna play an interview with

1440
01:28:38,110 --> 01:28:41,950
Katie Brinkley. She's a social media guru. And I think

1441
01:28:41,950 --> 01:28:45,070
I'm going to do kind of a what I learned at podcast movement kind of

1442
01:28:45,070 --> 01:28:48,695
thing. Some of the things I liked, some of the things I didn't like,

1443
01:28:49,635 --> 01:28:53,340
probably a rant on YouTube again, because, you know, those are always fun.

1444
01:28:53,580 --> 01:28:57,040
And, just there's a lot I have a cool because of my podcast story,

1445
01:28:57,580 --> 01:29:00,780
you know, all sorts of little pieces parts, and sometimes I call those like a

1446
01:29:00,780 --> 01:29:04,505
stew because it's like, here's like 6 things I wanna talk about. None

1447
01:29:04,505 --> 01:29:07,945
of them are big enough to be an entire episode, so I smoosh them all

1448
01:29:07,945 --> 01:29:11,559
together. And then, we'll use Katie for the

1449
01:29:11,559 --> 01:29:15,320
following week. But as always, thank you to the awesome chat room that

1450
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,824
is here. We are here live every Saturday. Ask the podcast

1451
01:29:18,885 --> 01:29:22,505
coach.com/live10:30 EST.

1452
01:29:23,125 --> 01:29:26,949
And, I'm not going anywhere that I know of. I'm go I'm gonna

1453
01:29:26,949 --> 01:29:30,489
be at, the, mhmm, Content

1454
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:34,230
Entrepreneur Expo in Cleveland, but I'm not going as a Libsyn person. I'm that's

1455
01:29:34,230 --> 01:29:37,755
coming out of my pocket. That's May. So if you're in Cleveland

1456
01:29:38,215 --> 01:29:41,335
and you're going to that event, let me know. I might even drag you down

1457
01:29:41,335 --> 01:29:45,100
to Akron for some Luigi's pizza, but that would be a drive.

1458
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:48,220
That'd be like 2 hours an hour down to get pizza and then an hour

1459
01:29:48,220 --> 01:29:51,875
back. So it'd have to be really good pizza. But, anyway, we will see

1460
01:29:51,875 --> 01:29:55,554
you next week with another fun filled episode of ask the

1461
01:29:55,554 --> 01:29:56,534
podcast coach.